FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Raider 68]

For 90% of the voters that do nothing but look at the school name and the final scores, it's my guess that the only reason they're still voting MUC at #1 is because history says that MUC will be there in end.

You must be thinking of the other poll, HScoach, because our voters don't do that. I think the fact that four voters in two weeks have changed their No. 1 vote despite nobody having lost really destroys your assertion.

It's the coaches' poll that has 2.5% of the No. 1 votes for UW-Whitewater. Ours has just about 10 times that many.

Wrong.  Assuming Mount will be Mount again is in my mind the only reason Mount is ahead of Whitewater.  If you look at the numbers, who returns and who was lost, Whitewater should have been #1 to start.

HScoach,

It is obvious that you feel that UWW should have been #1 since they had
a greater number of starters returning than Mount and Mount lost 2 great
players. That makes good sense.

The flip side to that is that UWW won the Stagg in 2007 and Mount only
returned 6 starters for 2008 including Micheli and Kmic. UWW should have
been #1 all season until they lost one. So here it is 2009, Mount wins the 2008 Stagg and returns several starters less Micheli/Kmic.

While I was supposed when the preseason poll came out, I more surprized that a close game to a rated rival causes others to shift their votes mid-stream.

[skunks_sidekick]

In my opinion.........

I could certainly see voting WW #1 at the beginning of the season based upon what has already been discussed ad nauseum here.  If I were a voter that is what I would have done.

What I have a harder time understanding is how someone (yes YOU Pat  ) can change their vote from Mount to WW based upon performance so far.  WW hasn't played anyone ranked, or maybe even with a winning record.  I am not saying they aren't better, but there is no way you can make that evaluation at this point in the season.  Based upon strength of schedule to date, if you voted Mount #1 at the beginning of the season, they should still be #1. 

As everyone else has already said......thank goodness this all gets decided on the field, HOPEFULLY in December. 

[HScoach]

Pat switched his vote after watching MUC/BW live.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

HScoach,

It is obvious that you feel that UWW should have been #1 since they had
a greater number of starters returning than Mount and Mount lost 2 great
players. That makes good sense.

The flip side to that is that UWW won the Stagg in 2007 and Mount only
returned 6 starters for 2008 including Micheli and Kmic. UWW should have
been #1 all season until they lost one. So here it is 2009, Mount wins the 2008 Stagg and returns several starters less Micheli/Kmic.

While I was supposed when the preseason poll came out, I more surprized that a close game to a rated rival causes others to shift their votes mid-stream.

I thought MUC should have been ranked #1 last season, based on Beaver graduating and Kmic and Micheli returning.  Not based on the 2007 Stagg result.  People complain that UF was preseason #1, and still are after not really playing anyone till LSU.  But with the Defense they had returning, along with Tebow, Hernandez, Moody, Cooper and Demps, I think they should have been #1.  Not based on last year's results.

[Raider 68]

HScoach,

It is obvious that you feel that UWW should have been #1 since they had
a greater number of starters returning than Mount and Mount lost 2 great
players. That makes good sense.

The flip side to that is that UWW won the Stagg in 2007 and Mount only
returned 6 starters for 2008 including Micheli and Kmic. UWW should have
been #1 all season until they lost one. So here it is 2009, Mount wins the 2008 Stagg and returns several starters less Micheli/Kmic.

While I was supposed when the preseason poll came out, I more surprized that a close game to a rated rival causes others to shift their votes mid-stream.

I thought MUC should have been ranked #1 last season, based on Beaver graduating and Kmic and Micheli returning.  Not based on the 2007 Stagg result.  People complain that UF was preseason #1, and still are after not really playing anyone till LSU.  But with the Defense they had returning, along with Tebow, Hernandez, Moody, Cooper and Demps, I think they should have been #1.  Not based on last year's results.

Thank goodness D3 has playoffs!  8) Regarding football polls in general, it seems that coaches polls are a better barometer for college football.
The press is generally about likes and dislikes (favorites), or a region of the country issue.

[Mugsy]

Umm... stupid question:

At this point how much does it matter which team is #1 and which is #2?  If both win out for their remaining games, both will more than likely be #1 seeds in a region and setup for home field throughout the playoffs.

[seventiesraider]

You can watch a lot of other sports already.

Wouldn't it have made sense to do Football first?

Once again coming to Lenny's rescue, some sports, like volleyball you can just set up a camera and go. Admitedly, if you televise, I'd like to up the quality from Cap's rather tedious video. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate  any video that any DIII school can get online, but we have production agreements in place for our home games and I'm not ready to suggest that Joe Tait become the voice of shakey webcam streaming video.

Says the guy who lives 30 minutes from Alliance.

And who won't have seen a game in person yet this year because of youth football.   Kevin and I are going to Tiffin on our off week to see Mount

SaintsFan: I'm a prospective parent but have not yet to go to Heidelberg 's website for any reason other than directions. Been there three times but never been on campus except in a team bus  

[SaintsFAN]

You can watch a lot of other sports already.

Wouldn't it have made sense to do Football first?

Once again coming to Lenny's rescue, some sports, like volleyball you can just set up a camera and go. Admitedly, if you televise, I'd like to up the quality from Cap's rather tedious video. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate  any video that any DIII school can get online, but we have production agreements in place for our home games and I'm not ready to suggest that Joe Tait become the voice of shakey webcam streaming video.

Says the guy who lives 30 minutes from Alliance.

And who won't have seen a game in person yet this year because of youth football.   Kevin and I are going to Tiffin on our off week to see Mount

SaintsFan: I'm a prospective parent but have not yet to go to Heidelberg 's website for any reason other than directions. Been there three times but never been on campus except in a team bus  

No sweat.... I was only reading up on it last week so I didn't appear to be a fool when I got to visit with Coach Hallett after the game.

[Pat Coleman]

if you voted Mount #1 at the beginning of the season, they should still be #1. 

Except this isn't a list of standings. You don't have a god-given right to any particular spot, 1, 2, 3 or down to 25 just because you had that spot last week and won. It's not like teams are on a ladder, stuck behind the teams ahead of them and unable to jump them.

HSCoach -- you may be right but I think you would be more accurate slinging those arrows at the other poll. I think, in fact, that our voters are the exception to pretty much every rule about football poll voting. In fact, just because it was your opinion that Mount Union was overrated at No. 1 entering the season doesn't make it right. In fact, I don't think your broadcast partner even shares that opinion. Has not Mount Union simply reloaded at the quarterback position before? Hasn't Mount Union had, in fact, three running backs of first team All-American quality back to back to back, spanning nearly a decade? Given that history, isn't it easy for a reasonable Division III follower to believe it could happen again, and, therefore, put Mount Union No. 1 based on the plethora of other returning starters on the roster?

That's what I think a lot of our voters believed in the preseason, myself included. However, that assumption is being tested right now, and some have changed their mind.

That doesn't mean that this is true:

the name ... it's the only reason Mount is STILL ranked #1. 

[Small but Slow]

I'm not saying the present discussion isn't interesting or relevant, but if one was to go back a week, two weeks, a year, or five years and copy and paste some of the quotes regarding the polls it would be difficult to discern past from present. 

That's the beauty of the polls!  Their debate gives us a distraction from our everyday lives and jobs.  Its suggested every year that the AP and ESPN not release a poll until after week five.  Aside from that debate the media does not benefit withholding any poll an dthe hype that surrounds them.

[HScoach]

HSCoach -- you may be right but I think you would be more accurate slinging those arrows at the other poll.

Yeah, my rant would be better aimed at the other poll, but it that one isn't worth even discussing.

[seventiesraider]

No sweat.... I was only reading up on it last week so I didn't appear to be a fool when I got to visit with Coach Hallett after the game.

Forgot about the ONU-Hu connection last week. I picked a day when he wasn't around. We'll say Hi on Saturday

[PurpleSuit]

that "douche bag" had 2* TD's after a week with the new offense...i dont see it as an effort thing, but rather playing for an actual NFL team again.

No, I think that proves even more how much of an effort (and mental) thing it was for him.  Did you ever watch him run his routes here?  He was completely lazy, jogging when he wasn't the primary receiver, not fighting to cut across the corner on slant routes, etc.  And of course that's not to mention the drops.  The guy is a TO, Brandon Marshall, Chad Javon Ochocinco.  A talent on the field, but only when he feels like it, and a detriment in the locker room (and off the field otherwise as well).  I'm glad we got rid of him.  We'll be better off in the long run with a receiver who will put forth more effort, catch a higher percentage of the balls thrown to him, and run block.

why bust your ass for a crap organization and coach that changes yearly?  he was in the new NFL-Siberia, he did what he had to to get out.  I dont think that you can blame him.  If your boss and upper-management were idiots, would you not try anything to get out of your contract to find a better locale?

but back to D3 football, with the Berg moving games on campus, is the Mount game on of those? 

[seventiesraider]

but back to D3 football, with the Berg moving games on campus, is the Mount game on of those? 

guess I shoud have mentioned that it's for the 'Ette and Musky games. Mount is out at old F-K stadium which is actually way nicer in recent years.

I smiled when my daughter pointed out the game ball from the Stagg Bowl at Heidleberg and then noticed it was from 1972. Smiled even more when I realized Heidelberg has as many as Whitewater

[Knightstalker]

that "douche bag" had 2* TD's after a week with the new offense...i dont see it as an effort thing, but rather playing for an actual NFL team again.

No, I think that proves even more how much of an effort (and mental) thing it was for him.  Did you ever watch him run his routes here?  He was completely lazy, jogging when he wasn't the primary receiver, not fighting to cut across the corner on slant routes, etc.  And of course that's not to mention the drops.  The guy is a TO, Brandon Marshall, Chad Javon Ochocinco.  A talent on the field, but only when he feels like it, and a detriment in the locker room (and off the field otherwise as well).  I'm glad we got rid of him.  We'll be better off in the long run with a receiver who will put forth more effort, catch a higher percentage of the balls thrown to him, and run block.

why bust your ass for a crap organization and coach that changes yearly?  he was in the new NFL-Siberia, he did what he had to to get out.  I dont think that you can blame him.  If your boss and upper-management were idiots, would you not try anything to get out of your contract to find a better locale?

I know I would not slack on my job and become a douchebag just to get fired, there is a thing called personal pride and pride in doing a good job even if your job sucks.  It is called being an adult.