FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[PurpleSuit]

Getting this thread back on topic, I have a question:

Would it at all possible for the OAC to end up with three bids to the NCAA playoffs?  It seems to me that if there were ever year that it could/should happen, this is it.

I would say that it is unlikely.  It would need to be a three-way at the top, imo: meaning Cap beats OTT, and OTT beats MUC and all three end up at 8-1 in conference.  I still dont know if that would be enough to create 3 spots for the OAC in a "down year" for MUC.

Sort of a similar situation in 2005 when ONU beat MUC.  MUC finished at 8-1 and ONU and Cap were 7-2, and only MUC and Cap made the playoffs.  Where they met and had one hell of a game by the way.  Cap was the #2 team in the nation that year, imo.

[cufan]

I think Caps offense will be able to move the ball and score, the question is can they put enough pressure on Otterbein's QB to force him to make bad decisions.....This may be one of those games where the team with the ball last wins.

[reality check]

CarrollStreaks

I don't have an issue with Dayton doing it.  I'm not speculating on the issue though.  A HS classmate got one of those scholarships and started 3 of his 4 years at UD.


PurpleSuit

I think it's unlikely as well that three schools get in but you're scenario omits the possibility of an 8-2 ONU team.  If they beat CAP, they finish 8-2, with a non-conf win over a top 5 team *at the time who is now steamrolling it's conference, and the two losses would be to OTT by 2 and a tough battle against MUC that all occurred in the first 3 weeks of the season.  They'd be riding a 7 game winning streak in that time with wins over two ranked opponents and their only losses to the top team in Division III and to OTT who would presumably end up in the top ten.  If ONU beats CAP, they have to be in serious consideration for a Pool C.  The difference over 2005 would be a win over North Central vs. a win over Westminster.

[e_lee]

I gotta start following Division III football again.  particularly OAC football.  I used to frequent these boards and now I am totally out of touch with Capital football.   Decided to post today for the first time in the Jim Bickel Era.

My impetus for posting?  I teach and coach at a high school in South Carolina and its Spirit Week and today is college jersey today.  Squeezed into my old Crusader jersey.  Hard to believe I have gained more weight than the equivalent of shoulder pads.  Not sure how I could fit into this thing with even those Hutch shoulder pads of my youth. 

I have one question.

Is Mount Union still good?

[rscl70]

I gotta start following Division III football again.  particularly OAC football.  I used to frequent these boards and now I am totally out of touch with Capital football.   Decided to post today for the first time in the Jim Bickel Era.

My impetus for posting?  I teach and coach at a high school in South Carolina and its Spirit Week and today is college jersey today.  Squeezed into my old Crusader jersey.  Hard to believe I have gained more weight than the equivalent of shoulder pads.  Not sure how I could fit into this thing with even those Hutch shoulder pads of my youth. 

I have one question.

Is Mount Union still good?

Ahhhh----Yep!

[Desertraider]

it's Mount-Wilmington week and no chatter?  whats the deal?

I was going to go to the library and create a signon for Will-Quacker but then I would have wanted to create one for Bad-In-Football and I knew I'd get caught.

What the hell was the OAC thinking when they let them in? They make Hiram look good.

I think they have a Pharm-Beta-Kappa chapter 8)

We had DI schools who wouldn't run us in track in the sixties, although there was different clasifications then

Hey, I'd pay to watch JCU play Creighton in basketball After all, I'm paying $5.00 to watch the Mount-Akron Exhibition game. I've seen them pay for real in Memorial Hall in Alliance before it became the parking lot for the MAAC.

As a Hiram alum I take exception to this! No one, NO ONE, makes Hiram look good. My unmighty terriers would find a way to lose on a bye week!

[e_lee]

During my four year bench career the strides that the program at Capital made from 1998-2001 is best illustrated by the fact that in 1998 we lost to Hiram and by 2001 we beat John Carroll and Baldwin-Wallace.

[jaypeter]

I gotta start following Division III football again.  particularly OAC football.  I used to frequent these boards and now I am totally out of touch with Capital football.   Decided to post today for the first time in the Jim Bickel Era.

My impetus for posting?  I teach and coach at a high school in South Carolina and its Spirit Week and today is college jersey today.  Squeezed into my old Crusader jersey.  Hard to believe I have gained more weight than the equivalent of shoulder pads.  Not sure how I could fit into this thing with even those Hutch shoulder pads of my youth.  

I have one question.

Is Mount Union still good?

Perhaps I'm just being arrogant, but unfortunately for most of DIII football, Mount Union is not good.  They haven't been good for quite a while now.  

Mount Union, along with Whitewater, is still a great team over the past few years.  UMHB is still very good to great, and then there's a bunch of good teams.  

But no, Mount Union is not still good.  

EDIT: And by the way, welcome back to the board!

[HScoach]

E-lee:

Welcome back.  I'm glad you rejoined the fray after seeing you on JJ's for years.

MUC is still very good.  A legit threat to make it to Salem again, but not the sure thing like they were the last couple years.  This team is a lot more like 1998 or 2004 than it is 1997 or 2008.

[MUCheats]

CarrollStreaks

I don't have an issue with Dayton doing it.  I'm not speculating on the issue though.  A HS classmate got one of those scholarships and started 3 of his 4 years at UD.

So if a football player happens to get a leadership scholarship, the school is automatically bending the rules?  I'd say your one bit of anecdotal evidence is shaky, at best, at proving the claim you're trying to make here.

[MUCheats]

Hey, I'd pay to watch JCU play Creighton in basketball After all, I'm paying $5.00 to watch the Mount-Akron Exhibition game. I've seen them pay for real in Memorial Hall in Alliance before it became the parking lot for the MAAC.

Huh? 

[reality check]

CarrollStreaks

I don't have an issue with Dayton doing it.  I'm not speculating on the issue though.  A HS classmate got one of those scholarships and started 3 of his 4 years at UD.

So if a football player happens to get a leadership scholarship, the school is automatically bending the rules?  I'd say your one bit of anecdotal evidence is shaky, at best, at proving the claim you're trying to make here.

I know the story...from the player and in not so many words he said, "They're giving me some sort of community leaderships scholarship for nothing."  That was followed with, "They do this all the time with football recruits".  I said it already, I don't have a problem with them doing, but the point is that they clearly do it with less than genuine criteria.

[MUCheats]

CarrollStreaks

I don't have an issue with Dayton doing it.  I'm not speculating on the issue though.  A HS classmate got one of those scholarships and started 3 of his 4 years at UD.

So if a football player happens to get a leadership scholarship, the school is automatically bending the rules?  I'd say your one bit of anecdotal evidence is shaky, at best, at proving the claim you're trying to make here.

I know the story...from the player and in not so many words he said, "They're giving me some sort of community leaderships scholarship for nothing."  That was followed with, "They do this all the time with football recruits".  I said it already, I don't have a problem with them doing, but the point is that they clearly do it with less than genuine criteria.

Again, that's a questionable claim with extremely flimsy "evidence."  I guess it's easy for someone to do such a thing on an anonymous message board and pass it off as truth.  Dayton is probably an easy target on a board like this, since few, if anyone, will step in to defend the school.  However I have a feeling that if such a charge were leveled against your school, or any other OAC school, there would certainly be more of a challenge.

I hate that this thread has gotten so far off-track with this discussion, but I don't think what you're saying is fair or truthful.

[JK]

Thanks for doing the OTT-CAP research, reality.  Unfortunately I just started a new job this past week at Ft. Knox and have't been able to get on the boards much.

It should be a great one in Westerville.  Kind of a play-in game, although I was thinking about the 3-way tie this morning as well.  Someone mentioned 05 when ONU beat MUC and didn't get in.  I think, in the committee's mind, that was because CAP beat ONU head to head.  MUC still had the AQ and Cap had the win over ONU.  If the 3 way tie plays out this year, I don't know how you justify who the second team would be since you can't make the "head-to-head" win argument.  Hopefully it doesn't matter though.  Cap has to take care of business this week... step 1.  Worry about step 2 later.

E_Lee, welcome back.  In the last couple of weeks we had a post from tdubs and now you.  I feel like I am in the "way-back machine."

 

[runyr]

During my four year bench career the strides that the program at Capital made from 1998-2001 is best illustrated by the fact that in 1998 we lost to Hiram and by 2001 we beat John Carroll and Baldwin-Wallace.

e lee,
Do you remember the Captial coach's quote in the Columbus Post about the thought of Mount Union making him weak in the knees?  I still have a clip of that article somewhere.  My brother mailed it to me.  I think it was the Saturday edition in 1997, the day Captial played Mount.  Unbelievable.
The coach didn't return the following year.  They brought in Jim Collins.