FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[seventiesraider]

For those interested, you're invited to participate in the OAC Playoff Pick-Em Contest.   Whether you joined us in the regular season or not, your welcome to join for the playoffs.

Spreads for Round 1 have been posted in the General Page.

and you must be a high school graduate to participate   8)

[OldOtter]

Was proud of my boys for pulling that game out on Saturday in Westerville. The JCU game is always close regardless of either teams record, and this year was no different. It was also good to see Coy go over the 1,000 yard mark this season on the ground. Tough to do when there is another pretty good running back in the stable in Yates. Say what you want about the loss to Etta, an 8-2 record and a 2nd place finish behind Mount in the OAC is a great season. The guys have no reason to hang their heads. A really good group of seniors are going to leave the program in a much better state than what it was in when they came in 4 years ago.

Go Cards!

[OAColdtymer]

Like I said, no margin for error when you're automatically starting the season with an 0-1 record.

Maybe that's why ONU is consistently producing in the last decade and JCU and BW are headed the other direction.

RCheck - while I agree that a CHAMPIONSHIP Philosophy/Mindset of a team are essentials to a successful/competitive programs.  That Philosophy/Mindset/Mission must be mutual across a college campus.  Defeatist or complacent mindset cant be solely placed on Athletic Departments but on the whole campus administrations.  Kudos to ONU and Mount Union for collectively working to be CHAMPIONS!   

[MUCheats]

Like I said, no margin for error when you're automatically starting the season with an 0-1 record.

An attitude like that is precisely why JCU is in such a bad spot as a football program anyways.  CarrollStreaks, is your first name Regis by chance?

Beyond ONU this year and in '05, how many other times has the second best team in the OAC, a team that really had a chance at making a run in the tournament, sat home when the playoffs started up?

The short answer is ONU in 2004 and 2001.  Both years they finished 8-2 and were alone in second place.  In 2001, ONU lost one conf game to MUC and lost @ UWSP by a score of 14-10.  In 2004 the Polar Bears lost two OAC games and had a less impressive non-conf win over Westminster.  

In 2005, ONU was not alone in second and the other team did the best with the shot they were given.  

I guess it comes down to the fact that ONU has been snake-bitten almost exclusively yet I don't know a single alum or person involved in the program that wants to escape playing MUC every year for another chance to dethrone the king.  Maybe that's why ONU is consistently producing in the last decade and JCU and BW are headed the other direction.

An attitude like that is precisely why a very good (top 15 in the country) Ohio Northern team is sitting home next weekend.   Congratulations on being co-runner-up in the ultra-tough OAC.  Do they give out a trophy for that?    You'll have plenty of time to shine it next Saturday, that's for sure!  And keep on being a lap dog for the status quo, it may not get you anything on the field, but at least you're amongst the D3 message board leaders in karma points!    

You're crazy if you think that your team hasn't started off most of the past few decades with a de facto 0-1 record, like everyone else in the conference.  And you're even crazier if you think that that annual automatic loss is helping your program any.  Fact of the matter is that the NCAA doesn't seem interested in rewarding teams for playing a tough schedule.  This has happened before and will continue to happen.  Truth be told, as evident by today's tournament unveiling, the recently strong OAC programs like Ohio Northern, Capital, and Otterbein would be better off taking their chances in the NCAC or PAC.  Heck even those conferences are able to get one loss teams into the Dance!  

Oh, and for the record, I am just a fan of JCU.  Not a student, not an alumnus, not a coach, not an employee.  My opinions don't reflect the opinions of anyone associated with the University.  I'll ignore the cheap shot you threw earlier during your temper tantrum because I know the wound from today's monumental snubbing is still fresh.

[bleedpurple]

Can't believe the excluded all the OAC teams.. Such a competitive conference especially how ONU had beaten North Central Ill. i did really expect ONU or OTT to go (Ott just because of the head to head) ... too bad i think the top of the OAC can easily compete with other conference champions

Not sure I understand the huge plea for the ONU case you guys are putting up. UW-Stout was runner up in the WIAC and I haven't heard any similar complaints. I would love for either of them to get in because I know they play stronger teams than most of the teams in the country. But with two losses, you can't really complain. Not sure I really buy the "but ONU beat North Central" argument either. Who did North Central beat? They came to UWW in 07 and got hit with 59 points.  I don't see that as this great "quality victory" some of you guys do.

Just hoping to see another team successful from the conference in the playoffs.  I agree that UW-Stout also deserved to be there.  But this is the OAC board, not the WIAC board so I doubt you will here many on here carrying any banners for UW-Stout.  It just seems that we hear so much (from the uninformed fans) that the OAC is a cake walk and if MUC played in (insert your conference here) they woudln't dominate so much.  So when another OAC team makes the playoffs and does well, it validates the conference even more.  It was great to see JCU sent to the "EAST" a few years ago, clean house and then meet MUC in the Semis that year.

I absolutely agree with you pulling for ONU. I was pulling for them too. I guess my only point was that when anyone loses two games, it then becomes a gambit at best. Regarding conference respect, I understand that and would be pulling for any WIAC teams as I would expect OAC fans to root for ONU. I understand the "pulling for" them making it, I was trying to understand the "complaining about" them not making it, if that makes sense.

[OAColdtymer]

Truth be told, as evident by today's tournament unveiling, the recently strong OAC programs like Ohio Northern, Capital, and Otterbein would be better off taking their chances in the NCAC or PAC.  




NCAC/PAC will not be inviting any of the teams you mentioned into their conference thus there's no other option but to stay in the good'ol OAC.

[bleedpurple]

Can't believe the excluded all the OAC teams.. Such a competitive conference especially how ONU had beaten North Central Ill. i did really expect ONU or OTT to go (Ott just because of the head to head) ... too bad i think the top of the OAC can easily compete with other conference champions

Not sure I understand the huge plea for the ONU case you guys are putting up. UW-Stout was runner up in the WIAC and I haven't heard any similar complaints. I would love for either of them to get in because I know they play stronger teams than most of the teams in the country. But with two losses, you can't really complain. Not sure I really buy the "but ONU beat North Central" argument either. Who did North Central beat? They came to UWW in 07 and got hit with 59 points.  I don't see that as this great "quality victory" some of you guys do.

Go back to the hole you climbed out of BP. 

You just justified that NCC isn't all that great because of 2007.  I mean based on that logic why even talk about Stout because in 2007 they were a sub-.500 team.  NCC was a pre-season top-five based on who was back at the time ONU handled them.  Take a poll BP and ask any knowledgeable D-III fan to name the best team in this group: North Central, Simpson or Eureka and see what the response is.  (The last two were the programs that Stout beat in non-conf and went a combined 7-13 this season. ) And it's convenient to come in here and stir the pot and all as you so eloquently point out that you love to do but Stout wasn't considered because they didn't even end up runner-up in the WIAC.  Do your research! 

You don't even know your own conference's 2nd place team!!!

That's why they don't deserve to be in the tourney and that's why they aren't in the conversation on the OAC board!

You are right, Stout was not the runner up. I was wrong about that. But that wasn't my point. Stout was a 2 loss team in which people thought might have an "outside" chance at consideration. I wasn't trying to stir up a pot. I was trying to see why people felt so strongly about ONU.

I appreciate your intensity RC! Were you a linebacker or something?  

For the record. I have WI-FI in my hole. I don't need to come out of it to post anymore. So you'll be hearing A LOT MORE FROM ME!  

[reality check]

I'm sorry.  Temper tantum?  Where did that happen?  I've said for three weeks running that I didn't think ONU was in because of the way the chips were falling.  If they would have made it in today, I'd be ecstatic but I don't feel snubbed at all.  The only issue I would have had is if ONU was sitting at home while OTT was invited.  And I'm okay with where ONU's place in this world.  They're sitting on 4 consecutive men's OAC All-Sports trophies which has never been accomplished twice consecutively.  We compete at the highest level at almost every sport in this conference and I'm proud of our competitive balance throughout.

Was the cheap shot calling you Regis?  You're right.  Calling anyone Regis Scafe might just be a low blow.


Oh and speaking of trophies, let me present you with an award of your own for your flawless use of mulitple emoticons in a single post.   Kudos to you sir!

[reality check]

Unrelated but funny...
Regis Scafe tabbed to coach D-III All-Stars in Mexico

The announcement came on Oct. 1 when JCU was still 2-1 and statements like "(Scafe) has posted 11 consecutive seasons at .500 or better" and "helped John Carroll extend its current run of consecutive non-losing campaigns to a school record 22 years..." didn't seem so out of place. 

[bushman]

Well lets see, all MHB has to do is win games against Linfield then St. Johns and finally UWW and then we can clash at the Stagg.   [Assuming Mt. gets there. ]    No problem  yeah right.  Guess we'll put that game on the back burner for at least another year.   RC, thundermom sends her regrets,  she really does like bears.  What ONU should do is schedule weak non conference teams and play for best record.  Safe philosophy since strength of schedule means nada to the committee .

[HScoach]

Unrelated but funny...
Regis Scafe tabbed to coach D-III All-Stars in Mexico

The announcement came on Oct. 1 when JCU was still 2-1 and statements like "(Scafe) has posted 11 consecutive seasons at .500 or better" and "helped John Carroll extend its current run of consecutive non-losing campaigns to a school record 22 years..." didn't seem so out of place. 

Ironic.

[reality check]

Garcon's not having the best night in the world in Indy.  He's currently leading the Colts in targets but only has one catch and got a little dinged up in addition to a false start.  He's certainly getting a lot of attention tonight though.

[BrowardRaider]

It has been a long break since last post, hope to be around through the playoffs, interesting brackets for sure, looking forward to listening to Mount and W&J play a game that counts as opposed to the annual August tune-up. Best of luck to the Raiders in the second season and the quest for 11. Will we be seeing a playoff "blackout" with the introduction of new trousers this season?, figured selection Sunday couldn't be complete without a uniform post.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Yes it is tough to get to the playoffs when you are in a conference with MUC.   But, how many other conferences right now are having the conversation that an 8-2 team deserves to be in the playoffs?  Even without MUC in the conference, there weren't any Pool C teams with more than one loss.

Pretty nice to say that if you can go 9-1 in conference and have a GREAT chance to make the playoffs.

All that talk is moot now.  I remember in the early 90s when there were only 28 teams in the playoffs and if you didn't win your conference you had ZERO chance of making the playoffs.

Here's to a Siriani vs. Kehres matchup in a game that actually counts!  I graduated with Mike Siriani and he is a great person, along with being a successful coach.

[Raider 68]

Yes it is tough to get to the playoffs when you are in a conference with MUC.   But, how many other conferences right now are having the conversation that an 8-2 team deserves to be in the playoffs?  Even without MUC in the conference, there weren't any Pool C teams with more than one loss.

Pretty nice to say that if you can go 9-1 in conference and have a GREAT chance to make the playoffs.

All that talk is moot now.  I remember in the early 90s when there were only 28 teams in the playoffs and if you didn't win your conference you had ZERO chance of making the playoffs.

Here's to a Siriani vs. Kehres matchup in a game that actually counts!  I graduated with Mike Siriani and he is a great person, along with being a successful coach.

Just saw the brackets:

1. Surprized W & J made it, and now will play the Raiders in a real game.
    It will Coach Kehres vs. Coach Siriani. All the best, but it will not be that
    close for game #1.

2. I am disappointed for ONU, Coach Paul and RC, thought they were
    going to make the playoffs, but ONU finished strong
    will be up there in 2010.

3. The Mount Bracket appears weak again, not sure about Wittenberg, they
    could do well, but we will see.

4. Looks like MHB will have to win some big games for Mount to see them.

5. UWW playing a 6-4 team, how could that happen, and how could the
    NCAA make that call, must have been an AQ from a poor conference.
    Now that will be a scrimmage!