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Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
You have to go with Shorts. There was a point late in the third quarter, where the Raiders offense was looking helpless. At that point, I honestly entertained the thought that Wesley may win the game. I just wondered why they didn't go to their Shorts/Wildcat package earlier.

Because as long an Mount had a 2 score lead, you didn't need it.    Why show your hand to Whitewater if you can win without it?  If Wesley wouldn't have hit the big pass play to Folkes, we'd have never seen Cecil at QB.

LK did the same thing in the '06 playoffs with hiding Micheli's arm.  

I was thinking the same thing.  When it was 10-0, keep pounding the rock.  When Wesley scored the TD it was now 10-7 and too close for comfort.  Couldn't have another 3 and out or non-productive drive.  Wesley would have had big momentum and could have tied it or gone up 14-10.  Put in Shorts, get control of the game again, and they even went up two scores again 17-7.
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Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
You have to go with Shorts. There was a point late in the third quarter, where the Raiders offense was looking helpless. At that point, I honestly entertained the thought that Wesley may win the game. I just wondered why they didn't go to their Shorts/Wildcat package earlier.

Because as long an Mount had a 2 score lead, you didn't need it.    Why show your hand to Whitewater if you can win without it?  If Wesley wouldn't have hit the big pass play to Folkes, we'd have never seen Cecil at QB.

LK did the same thing in the '06 playoffs with hiding Micheli's arm.   

Exactly, couldn't agree more!

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@d3jason

Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

mtfan

Quote from: Small but Slow on December 13, 2009, 01:17:49 AM
The video feed was going in and out about the time of the play where Rocco was injured so I can't pass judgement on it, but he was giving an effort to pick up additional yards. Perhaps the smart move would have been to slide, but he is a football player dressed in protective gear trying to win a game for his team.  Officials were in position to make the call but at this time of year they tend to let the players play and avoid making too many calls that change the outcome of the game.  Injuries are an unfortunate part of this game we love.  Hopefully Kurt will be fine for life after he quits playing and even in time for next week.  I thought that the offense would have continued to lean on the running game as it did the final possession of the first half.  The O-line seemed capable of controlling the line of scrimmage and the lead backs and receivers were opening some nice running lanes.  This would have eventually set up more play action passing looks for Seaman.  For whatever reason, this was not the plan for the second half.  As a fan of  run first football I would have liked to have seen more emphasis on running the ball.  I'm sure there is a good reason this was not the plan, perhaps the Wesley defense or concern about Morring's durability were issues.. 

I don't think Benson at all intended to go helmet to helmet, it was a helluva tackle he made. I heard third party that in the post game interview Benson had said he knew he hit helmet to helmet but wasn't expecting to hit him there as Rocco started to make the drop to the turf when he delivered the shot. Likewise though, when Rocco was on his knees the second shot was clearly a late hit.


I don't think LK expected to use the wildcat as HScoach indicated, "why show your hand"  but in hindsight it was a absolute awesome call to push the offense over the top but also get to use it in a real situation. using it in practice can only give you so much knowledge on how it will execute, but seeing it play out in a real scenario, ala Wesley, after the first set of downs, it worked near perfection! NOT that Whitewater didn't know we have that in our capablity, but they know now its a threat. Should truly make for a great Stagg Bowl, if both teams are healthy! ROLL RAIDERS ROLL!!

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Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

I was a little surprised too, but the Mount was in the same position in the '99 semi-final against Rowan and got a little greedy with seconds left before halftime when the QB was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for Rowan's only TD in regulation.    I wonder if that memory was in the back of LK's mind.
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Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

I was a little surprised too, but the Mount was in the same position in the '99 semi-final against Rowan and got a little greedy with seconds left before halftime when the QB was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for Rowan's only TD in regulation.    I wonder if that memory was in the back of LK's mind.

As Ric pointed out during yesterday's broadcast. You should tune in Conrad.  ;)

mtfan

Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

I was a little surprised too, but the Mount was in the same position in the '99 semi-final against Rowan and got a little greedy with seconds left before halftime when the QB was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for Rowan's only TD in regulation.    I wonder if that memory was in the back of LK's mind.
MAN remember that well!  :(   good point HScoach +k

mtfan

Quote from: Ric on December 13, 2009, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

I was a little surprised too, but the Mount was in the same position in the '99 semi-final against Rowan and got a little greedy with seconds left before halftime when the QB was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for Rowan's only TD in regulation.    I wonder if that memory was in the back of LK's mind.

As Ric pointed out during yesterday's broadcast. You should tune in Conrad.  ;)
Who's this RIC guy? ???
he seems to know too an aweful lot about Mount Football!  ;D
he's got his own radio show too??  :o  DANG!

@d3jason

Quote from: Ric on December 13, 2009, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: HScoach on December 13, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: Conrad on December 13, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
Okay, I'll buy that, but its not like Wesley or even UWW/Linfield hasn't seen Shorts in the Wildcat. Coach Drass did tell me they ran some plays out with Shorts that they hadn't seen, that gave them trouble. Touche.

I guess it's nice to know that the Wolverines forced LK and the Raiders to reach a little further into their bag of tricks. That shows a measure of respect that some others on the board have have not given the Wolverines. And if you are Wesley, having the respect of your opponent and LK is what matters the most.

I was a little suprised that they didn't take a few shots at the end zone before the half. But with the two score lead, no Rocco and the defense dominating, I guess that was not a time to risk a mistake either.

Good luck next week.

I was a little surprised too, but the Mount was in the same position in the '99 semi-final against Rowan and got a little greedy with seconds left before halftime when the QB was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for Rowan's only TD in regulation.    I wonder if that memory was in the back of LK's mind.

As Ric pointed out during yesterday's broadcast. You should tune in Conrad.  ;)

Not sure what you mean, I was doing Wesley's broadcast.  I'll have to get better at research. :D

mr_mom

Quote from: Ric on December 13, 2009, 11:08:04 AM

As Ric pointed out during yesterday's broadcast. You should tune in Conrad.  ;)


And now Ric is talking about Ric in the third person.  I guess those years of looking down on us peons from the pressbox have taken their toll.   :D

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Ric was in the booth next to you Conrad.

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Quote from: mr_mom on December 13, 2009, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: Ric on December 13, 2009, 11:08:04 AM

As Ric pointed out during yesterday's broadcast. You should tune in Conrad.  ;)


And now Ric is talking about Ric in the third person.  I guess those years of looking down on us peons from the pressbox have taken their toll.   :D




Is peon really a word Mr Mom?

@d3jason

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Knew that, guess the third person reference had me thinking there was a Ric imposter out there.