FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

formerd3db · December 20, 2009, 08:39:13 AM

Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 20, 2009, 08:29:05 AM
That was a great game to watch and every player on that field played their hearts out.

But I noticed a few things. WW had the ball right before the half with about a minute left, and they got a first down around the MUC 40. Then the refs go to spot the ball and the play clock started to roll but the game clock didnt start up. Then finally the refs spotted the ball (and I assumed blew the whistle) and WW broke the huddle but only had like 10 seconds on the play clock to get a play off. They had an illegal shift or something and seemed rushed because of that. I always thought both game and play clocks started when the refs spot the ball and blow that whistle? I could be wrong.

On WWs fourth TD in the first half, the contain man for MUC was held bad inside the 5. As a HS coach, that always pisses me the hell off when refs don't see that hold. Its the most important hold to call. Granted it was 1st down I think inside the 5 but that still pisses me off.

If it weren't for Rocco, MUC wouldnt have came back, but I did think he looked kind of akward out there at times and it seemed to me anyway that MUCs WRs had to wait for the ball to get there at certain points throuought the game.

I did not think that was Pass inteference by MUC in the endzone on that big pass play. And isn't it only an NFL rule that you cant 'play the man'? I thought as long as there wasn't any contact, you can face guard in the NCAA?

TM:

I did not see the game, so I can only comment as to what you describe regarding the Pass Interference play. Speaking strickly as a "former db", in college, the refs will call that everytime, no question. If the DB did not look back and was in essence "facing" i.e. in front of the player, they assume he has no clue as to where the ball is in flight. Like you, I don't agree with that because is such situations essentially the db is indeed covering the receiver (i.e. staying with him) and it shouldn't matter "when" the db looks to find the ball to knock it down or INT it, even if at the last second. Anyway, JMO.

Jonny Utah · December 20, 2009, 08:54:02 AM

Quote from: formerd3db on December 20, 2009, 08:39:13 AM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 20, 2009, 08:29:05 AM
That was a great game to watch and every player on that field played their hearts out.

But I noticed a few things. WW had the ball right before the half with about a minute left, and they got a first down around the MUC 40. Then the refs go to spot the ball and the play clock started to roll but the game clock didnt start up. Then finally the refs spotted the ball (and I assumed blew the whistle) and WW broke the huddle but only had like 10 seconds on the play clock to get a play off. They had an illegal shift or something and seemed rushed because of that. I always thought both game and play clocks started when the refs spot the ball and blow that whistle? I could be wrong.

On WWs fourth TD in the first half, the contain man for MUC was held bad inside the 5. As a HS coach, that always pisses me the hell off when refs don't see that hold. Its the most important hold to call. Granted it was 1st down I think inside the 5 but that still pisses me off.

If it weren't for Rocco, MUC wouldnt have came back, but I did think he looked kind of akward out there at times and it seemed to me anyway that MUCs WRs had to wait for the ball to get there at certain points throuought the game.

I did not think that was Pass inteference by MUC in the endzone on that big pass play. And isn't it only an NFL rule that you cant 'play the man'? I thought as long as there wasn't any contact, you can face guard in the NCAA?

TM:

I did not see the game, so I can only comment as to what you describe regarding the Pass Interference play. Speaking strickly as a "former db", in college, the refs will call that everytime, no question. If the DB did not look back and was in essence "facing" i.e. in front of the player, they assume he has no clue as to where the ball is in flight. Like you, I don't agree with that because is such situations essentially the db is indeed covering the receiver (i.e. staying with him) and it shouldn't matter "when" the db looks to find the ball to knock it down or INT it, even if at the last second. Anyway, JMO.

Yea. Acutally this was more of a case of wheter the defender hit the player before the ball got there, but the announcers were arguing that the defender wasn't 'playing the ball'

formerd3db · December 20, 2009, 08:58:02 AM

Thanks for the further description of the play, TM.

bushman · December 20, 2009, 09:00:51 AM

Excellent game and both teams played like champions. WWW got the breaks and Mt. turnovers seemed to be the difference. Hope CS the third returns for his final season. Would Joe have made a difference?

SaintsFAN · December 20, 2009, 10:13:03 AM

Now that I've had some time to digest the game I saw yesterday, a couple thoughts come to mind.

Just like "The Situation" said in the LLPP, I hope people got to see this game as both teams played at a very high level. It was a great game to showcase D3 football to the "outside world". Now, granted both these teams are heads and shoulders above most teams (except for 4-5 teams).. But the rest of D3 got a great look at what needs to be done to compete at the highest level of D3.

I had friends calling me and they couldn't believe the skills showed and sophistication of the offenses.

Two thumbs up to both teams. As a result of their efforts, we were well represented yesterday.

reality check · December 20, 2009, 11:19:35 AM

You have friends?

BTW, Sportscenter put the MUCaw getting sbowballed in the highlight package. Solid effort on their part.

Raider Faithful

I hope this isn't salt in the wound but I noticed this trend and posted a concern about two months ago and it is a telling trend. MUC has failed to land a first-team all-OAC RB three times in this decade: 2003, 2004 and 2009. Looking forward to 2010, Donley, Coy and D'Andrea all return as 1,000 yard backs so Lemon or whomever might have some work to do to land on the first team and buck this trend.

bashbrother · December 20, 2009, 11:51:36 AM

Congrats to another fine season for the Purple Raiders!....

badgerwarhawk · December 20, 2009, 12:21:33 PM

Congratulations Purple Raiders. It was a hell of good game. Once again you had a very, very good team.

Raider 68 · December 20, 2009, 12:47:46 PM

Second thoughts;

It may take me a bit longer to further move on from the Stagg Bowl this year, but for now it is all about what is next in 2010.

Of the Mount 2 deep roster for 2010- who returns?

What will be the biggest gaps?

What will be the upsides?

Other than Claycomb, who will be catching the ball?

Will Zac Lemmon be the next great runner (per RC, comment)

I guess we have a lot of time for those answers, but I hope the returning players have a goal in front of them now like the players did for 2008.

Kehresma · December 20, 2009, 02:15:03 PM

Congratulations; Whitewater, on your win. Coppage and your several leaping, sure -handed receivers were exciting to watch, especially in the first half, then the brilliant Kehres adjustments.

Then, of course, Donovan was masterful leading a varied offensive plan, with what must have been excellent protection by your o-line, buying him all kinds of time to find an open man.

My heart belongs, though, to our astonishing Raiders in their comeback. As our brother on the boards regularly sings: WHAT A DEFENSE! And what a year from Kurt, and all our seniors,my personal favorite to watch being Vince Petruziello, and returning and emerging players promising another good year in 2010. Cecil is a great athlete, as all his press rightly attests, but I think he'd be the first to insist that star power isn't the secret of Mt Union's legacy of success:

What a coach! What a staff of coaches! What a concept for developing players! What a team. I can't WAIT until August.

reality check · December 20, 2009, 02:18:46 PM

This might be a "sky is falling" reaction but...

They had to replace two of the best ever last year at RB and QB. Now they have to replace those two positions again and have plenty of other holes to plug too. One good thing that came from yesterday??? Perhaps it guarantees CSIII's return as I'm sure he doesn't want to go out like that. Looking at MUC's seniors (and there might be some extra eligibility we don't know about...) but they stand to lose a lot of big guys: Carpenter, Petru, Morring, Millings, Herbert, Budzinski, Rocco, Stewart, Panchik, Harrold, Lamolinara, McClain, Lutz, Williamson, Nitz, Guerrero, Crowl, Miller, Liggett and more. Those aren't just a lot of SR's, those are a lot of SR's that mean a ton to this Raiders team.

Based on this list, the defensive line and defensive backfield are going to have a lot of holes to fill in addition to TE, QB and RB.

footballfan413 · December 20, 2009, 02:33:41 PM

Congrats to the Raiders, their coaching staff and fans on a great season and thanks for giving us all the privilege of watching a tremendous Championship game! LK is the undisputed king of half time adjustments but we knew that years ago! What a way to showcase D3 football to the world. A great game that could have gone to either deserving team.

Kehresma · December 20, 2009, 02:34:10 PM

Man, RC, even this Pollyanna can't hear you call that roll and not feel the chunks of heaven falling down around her ears. That is not only a daunting loss to weigh, but it also calls forth another rush of gratitude and amazement for the stellar team Mount fielded this year.

Kehresma · December 20, 2009, 02:49:38 PM

PS I believe Miller might be back.

02 Warhawk · December 20, 2009, 03:01:11 PM

Quote from: reality check on December 20, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
This might be a "sky is falling" reaction but...

They had to replace two of the best ever last year at RB and QB. Now they have to replace those two positions again and have plenty of other holes to plug too. One good thing that came from yesterday??? Perhaps it guarantees CSIII's return as I'm sure he doesn't want to go out like that. Looking at MUC's seniors (and there might be some extra eligibility we don't know about...) but they stand to lose a lot of big guys: Carpenter, Petru, Morring, Millings, Herbert, Budzinski, Rocco, Stewart, Panchik, Harrold, Lamolinara, McClain, Lutz, Williamson, Nitz, Guerrero, Crowl, Miller, Liggett and more. Those aren't just a lot of SR's, those are a lot of SR's that mean a ton to this Raiders team.

Based on this list, the defensive line and defensive backfield are going to have a lot of holes to fill in addition to TE, QB and RB.

Something tells me that MUC will make out just fine....hence the 10 championshps in 16 years. If one thing they do best is replace without skipping a beat...