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Quote from: JK on March 12, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
Essentially, by going through the process and then hiring from within, they basically wasted a month.  A month that left recruits wondering and returning players in limbo.  A month that Stanford, already on campus, could have spent improving his team...

Being a coach myself, and knowing the dedication put in by fellow coaches, I am assuming that Stanford was probably giving 100% to keep the ball rolling this past month.  He would do this first because of his dedication to his profession, second because of his dedication to the current athletes, and third because he probably wanted to prove to the current administrators that he was worthy of consideration for the job.  I could see where the process could have harmed the recruiting efforts, but since there are no "Letters on Intent" in DIII I'm sure any prospective players that were thinking about Cap are still out there and probably happy that Stanford was chosen.  

But, the entire process, along with the apparent lack of support from the administration the past few years, may actually be hurting the recruiting process more than the specific person hired as the HC.

JMHO
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JK

Not doubting that he and the staff have been working with the players, and never meant to question his professionalism.

However, there is a difference between carrying the torch and running workouts, etc for a little while and wondering where your next job will be and knowing you're the man and it's going to be your team.

I'm just saying....

Raider 68

Quote from: JK on March 12, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
As a rule, jobs do have to be posted.  However, typically if the school is going to hire someone on the existing staff, they usually do it quickly.  As well, most of the time they usually don't interview if they are set on someone from within.  They post it, receive resumes, contact candidates and tell them thanks but they will not be interviewed and then announce the guy from within has been promoted.

The fact that Cap brought in 4 or 5 for interviews makes me believe that Stanford was not initially believed to be the guy they wanted to hire.  He got an interview and made the short list because he was the "next in line" on the staff.  Now, maybe he just blew them away in his interview, but it still makes me think he was not the #1 choice at the start.

Essentially, by going through the process and then hiring from within, they basically wasted a month.  A month that left recruits wondering and returning players in limbo.  A month that Stanford, already on campus, could have spent improving his team...

JK,

Given  the potential lost month of activity, how do you see the outlook for Cap in the fall?
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Quote from: JK on March 12, 2010, 10:30:50 AM
Not doubting that he and the staff have been working with the players, and never meant to question his professionalism.

However, there is a difference between carrying the torch and running workouts, etc for a little while and wondering where your next job will be and knowing you're the man and it's going to be your team.

I'm just saying....

Understand, I didn't mean to imply that you were questioning his work ethic or professionalism.

I am sure that you are probably having a hard time trying to understand why/how the program has gotten to this state when you were there at the beginning of the rise and the school was able to reach the upper echelon of the OAC and DIII landscape, only now to see what the current S.O.P are.
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JK

Quote from: Raider 68 on March 12, 2010, 10:31:18 AM
JK,

Given  the potential lost month of activity, how do you see the outlook for Cap in the fall?

I don't know.  There is still definitely some talent left in Bexley.  But there are holes to fill on the lines.  The big issue is that they need to find a QB.  I don't know if there is already one on the team, but Assmann is a big loss.

JK

Quote from: Manuel Willocq on March 12, 2010, 10:38:29 AM
I am sure that you are probably having a hard time trying to understand why/how the program has gotten to this state when you were there at the beginning of the rise and the school was able to reach the upper echelon of the OAC and DIII landscape, only now to see what the current S.O.P are.

I am, and I am pissed, to put it bluntly.  I always believed that Cap could be a power in D3 given thier location in Columbus with all the HS talent there.  And we finally got there, and now it seems we want to go and tear it all down.  To what end?  Why?  Why screw with what is working?  It's frustrating.

e_lee

I know that Stanford, White and rest of staff was still recruiting hard, but they were unable to tell teh recruits anything with any certainty.  Dont want to see Cap back slide to the levels of the pre-Collins era.
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cufan

Amen JK!!

This President just doesn't care and that is sad.  I have said this before but if this new Pres. wasn't such a a-hole neither Collins or Bickle would of left and the great tradition they worked so hard to build would continue.

If Assmann doesn't come back it will be a tough year for CU.

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Quote from: cufan on March 12, 2010, 11:49:50 AM
Amen JK!!

This President just doesn't care and that is sad.  I have said this before but if this new Pres. wasn't such a a-hole neither Collins or Bickle would of left and the great tradition they worked so hard to build would continue.

If Assmann doesn't come back it will be a tough year for CU.

I was thinking Assmann may have the chance to come back too, but if he was planning on playing next year I would think he wouldn't have played baseball this spring so he could participate in spring ball.  Or maybe he and Stanford reached some sort of Favre-esque agreement!   

HScoach

I'm completely shocked the current Cap administration went the route they did.   Collins took a crappy program (no offense intended JK) and turned it into a legit Top 5 program that was inches away from playing for a National Championship.   Now they purposely decided that the university shouldn't be at that level.  The new Cap coach might get them back to the top but it sure looks like it will be in spite of the administration instead of aided by the administration.  Just makes no sense.

I have never understood the issue in some circles that believe superior academics and superior athletics can't co-exist.  The only logical explanation I've ever being able to come up with is jealousy that the football coach is more popular/powerful/higher paid than a random English professor.  I know D1 is a different animal, but at the D3 level there are a ton of great colleges that are capable of mixing classroom success with success on the field.  Yet some schools still believe and operate on the premise that the 2 can not co-exist. 
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Well, let's not forget that some years ago Mount Union was faced with doing a National Search to replace Ken Wable and the athletic director had the guts to stand up and say, "I can do better than any of these guys."  I give you Larry Kehres
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cufan

Coach you hit the nail on the head...very jealous administration.

Before Collins let's not forget they played in a pit for a stadium with poor administration.

JK

Quote from: cufan on March 12, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Coach you hit the nail on the head...very jealous administration.

Before Collins let's not forget they played in a pit for a stadium with poor administration.

Not just a pit, but the SNAKE PIT!!!!!!!!!  ;D

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Quote from: HScoach on March 12, 2010, 12:53:59 PM
I'm completely shocked the current Cap administration went the route they did.   Collins took a crappy program (no offense intended JK) and turned it into a legit Top 5 program that was inches away from playing for a National Championship.   Now they purposely decided that the university shouldn't be at that level.  The new Cap coach might get them back to the top but it sure looks like it will be in spite of the administration instead of aided by the administration.  Just makes no sense.

I have never understood the issue in some circles that believe superior academics and superior athletics can't co-exist.  The only logical explanation I've ever being able to come up with is jealousy that the football coach is more popular/powerful/higher paid than a random English professor.  I know D1 is a different animal, but at the D3 level there are a ton of great colleges that are capable of mixing classroom success with success on the field.  Yet some schools still believe and operate on the premise that the 2 can not co-exist.  

Well said, HScoach!  You are right on - all we need to do for further proof and example of that is to just point out to people the Swarthemore debacle of 2000 - what a travisty.  I"m sorry, however, there is just no excuse for that whatsoever and nothing that anyone can say will ever convince me otherwise.

Despite the potential challenges that still exist at Capital, I wish the new coach, his staff, and the players all the best for success and a return climb to that "next level".
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Quote from: seventiesraider on March 12, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
Well, let's not forget that some years ago Mount Union was faced with doing a National Search to replace Ken Wable and the athletic director had the guts to stand up and say, "I can do better than any of these guys."  I give you Larry Kehres

I don't think that is exactly how it happened.  I think that once Wable was ready to retire that LK was the one tabbed as his replacement.  Small but Slow was a student assistant at that time and he has told me that LK actually took a year off of coaching (Wable's last year) to get all the AD stuff organized so he could take over the Football HC reigns the next year.

I don't think there was a "National Search".
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