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[formerd3db]

Maybe they do not do it any longer, but summer camp at Mount, meant that on the first day after your physical you had to run the mile for time.

Lineman under 6:30

Receivers and TE under 6:00

Backs Under 5:30

Those times under today's standards are probably slow, but until you did it you were not issued equipment. Summer workouts had to get you ready for that first day!

Wow Raider68.  Back in my day at Hope College, we were required to run the 880 for one of our tests along with the usual 40 yard dash.  For the 880:

Linemen/LB's Under 4:50

WR's/Backs/Ends/DB's etc. Under 4:25

Like the times you mentioned, this is slow by today's standards (heck, it was back then as well).  But...not being a track guy myself, I never trained so hard as I did for those going into my senior year pre-season.  I did good for me in the 880, but I never saw so many guys puke at the finish line or before and/or drop like flies before the last turn like they did that year! !!!!  I was lucky also as my 40 yard dash time was 4.6!  Not bad for a guy that was not a great speeedster like the guys of today.  By comparison, back then my brother ran a 4.4  in the 40 yd dash in his college football days.   But then again, he was always 10X the athlete I was and I was proud of him and admired that.

It would be interesting to hear any of your and your colleagues "puke" stories about their collegiate pre-seson experiences!!!.  Any offerings?  

[PurpleSuit]

Of course - the BW QB didn't play for Mount or have any affiliation with Mount so let's humiliate him on here.

I think that seventies was more shocked that he hasn't recieved a call from a french football club yet

[Raider 68]

Formerd3db,

We had our share of guys loose their cookies, but not as many as one would think. Most players trained for the mile since we all knew we had to get past that first. My times were under 5:30, but I did run the 880 (slow version) in HS. Looking back, that preparation did get us in shape, we also ran sprints everyday prior to camp.

[HScoach]

Of course - the BW QB didn't play for Mount or have any affiliation with Mount so let's humiliate him on here. Just like the guy that said that playing Wilmington was a waste of time because the Wilmington kids didn't play hard. Not playing hard and not having as much talent are two different things.

Let's see if your school is coached by a former Mount guy it is the best program and coach on the face of the earth.

I wish him luck, but Gardner was not a top echelon OAC quarterback.  I'd take Marty Assmann (Cap) and Kyle Simmons (ONU) a long way before Gardner.  I'd even put Austin Schlosser ('Bein) and Andrew Miller (H'Berg) ahead of Gardner.    And that isn't even considering the 4 guys (Rocco, Shorts, Seaman, Piloto) on MUC's roster last year better than Gardner

Let's see if your school is coached by a former Mount guy it is the best program and coach on the face of the earth.

Not true.  ONU is coached by a MUC alum and I can't stand Ada or the Polar Bears.    Berg is fine only because they they aren't a threat.  If Mike ever gets them near the top, then we'll hate them too.

[reality check]

My high school program's tests and mile run were more challenging than anything I had to do for college.  We had to run the mile in under 6 for linemen and 5:30 for skill guys.  I believe I ran the second fastest mile on the team in 5:06 and I still have no idea how I managed that.  ONU mailed me a summer workout manual and I did my share of prep but other than getting base lift numbers those first two or three days, we didn't really have anything that separated the field.

The most interesting thing to come out of our camp was the coaches challenging every one to stick it out.  Considering there were well over 150 young men, and at least 80 were freshmen, someone is bound to call it quits and decide college football isn't for them.  We made it through the first three days and the coaches made a point to every morning and every night to repeat the challenge.  Not one guy quit.  No one person wanted to be "that guy".  It was the first time in Kaz's coaching career that no one quit during camp.  Pretty amazing in my opinion.  As soon as we came back for week one of practice though, one guy quit.  He apparently decided football wasn't for him but didn't want to live with being the only guy that couldn't hack camp.

[ADL70]

Anyone see/know anything about a Ryan Moses sighting?

He was allegedly offered by Princeton, but when I looked at Princeton's recruits he wasn't on the list.  LK just said they were "working on it", so I  was just wondering. 

Here's a question for some of you really "in the know" guys.....can a potential player/freshman participate in any of the 7 on 7's?  I know these summer activities (7 on 7) are a "player organized activity", so would any of the upper classman even let a freshman to be participate?

Just curious.....

Jr. gets to participate in the Stark County Football Jamboree tomorrow at Fawcett.  All the high school teams in Stark County (except Timken) are participating in a 7 on 7 round robin.  Morning and afternoon sessions.  Hoover (Jrs team) plays Alliance, Minerva (HSCoach you going?), Fairless, and then St. Ed's (the only non-Stark team attending).  Jr. is hoping that the freshman get some playing time against the smaller teams.

Football is in the air!   

He was listed in the May 5 press release as on board, is there some question about him actually enrolling?

[HScoach]

sidekick:  I'm not catching the 7 on 7 thing this weekend.  Works keep getting in the way of my fun


Back in the 80's, our HS summer conditioning test was similar to most here:  6:30 for lineman / 6:00 for skill guys.

The catch with our program was that we ran in at 7 AM on the first day of 2-a-days.  If you didn't meet the requirement, you had to come back the next day 30 minutes early and try it again.  And again, and again, and again until you met it.  Now, if you couldn't do it before the first 2-a-day, there was zero chance you could do it after going thru a bunch of 2-a-day practices in August.  

The coaches used the threat of repeated attempts as the motivation to come to camp in decent shape.  And it worked for 90+% of us.  There were always a couple slackers that weren't serious about playing and just wanted to hang on the team because it was cool or whatever.   Running a mile BEFORE practice every day either made them quit or tested their mettle on how serious they really were.  Once coach figured out the kid was really serious about playing, he'd stop with the required runs.  The PITA's / trouble makers got the opportunity to run and run and run until they either got in great shape or quit coming back.  It usually only took about 2 or 3 days of extra running to get their attention.

The only exception to the time requirement was the 5'9", 350 lb kid that just had to jog the entire mile at whatever speed above a walk he could manage.  Everyone else had to bust hump or there was hell to pay.  

The closest I came to not making the 6:30 was my senior year when I had to hoof the last 100 yards to make it at 6:26.  My O-line coach (and wrestling coach too) was really, REALLY hoping I wouldn't make it.  He was relishing the thought of making my fat butt run at 6:30 the next day .  

By the time I was back as coach in the 90's, coach had lowered the times to 6:00 & 5:30, but softened up and didn't require the extra running if it wasn't met.  I, and a couple of his other former players turned coaches, used to get all over him about wimping out in his old age.  His canned response when he had heard enough was that he didn't need to run these guys extra because they were actually athletic, unlike we were.  Ouch.  True, but "ouch" nonetheless.

[Raider 68]

What OAC team will have the toughest opener this fall? 

[seventiesraider]

April 29th Kentucky Preps says Ryan Moses is headed to Mount. Of course I also found an offer from Cornell. Come on Mom and Dad, SIGN that check.

[reality check]

What OAC team will have the toughest opener this fall? 

With the late change I would say Wilmington at Mount St. Joe with a very close runner-up to JCU at CWRU.

If we're just talking non-conf and not openers (which sounds weird) then I think CAP has their hands full with Wesley.

[formerd3db]

Interesting stories on your pre-season 2-a-days experiences in college guys.  I think we all dreaded "being that guy too" at our place, even for those who were likely to not have to worry about not making the times. Just like your teams, we, also always had a couple of "slackers" who thought they could just come into camp and get by without making the effort before then to get in shape and make theri times - and this from a few guys who were really good athletes.  I guess I could never figure that out because I always wanted to come in at the best shape I could and especially for my senior season, which, indeed, was probably the best shape I've ever been in during my entire life (although guess I am doing pretty good even at my age now I think).  One aspect though, which perhaps you guys might agree with is that it seemed no matter how great of shape that any of us reported in, two-d-days were still tough!

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences.  Great memories for sure, but...I'm glad I don't have to go through that anymore!

[formerd3db]

Formerd3db,

We had our share of guys loose their cookies, but not as many as one would think. Most players trained for the mile since we all knew we had to get past that first. My times were under 5:30, but I did run the 880 (slow version) in HS. Looking back, that preparation did get us in shape, we also ran sprints everyday prior to camp.

Okay, Raider68, now you got me going; my apologies to everyone here for this in advance, however...I couldn't help but tell these next two, now that you expounded on this (who started this anyway ).  Well, I remember one year the coaches got upset and made eveyone on the team do those 100 yard "on all 4's"crab crawls - and this in shoulder pads and helmets.  One of our BIG linemen wasn't looking up (or got disoriented? or something) and veered off so far to the left, kept going/crawling (i.e.crabbing), eventually crashing head-first into the chain-linked fence, whence he proceeded to "blow lunch" (or breakfast) through the diamond-shaped holes of the fence.

Another time, during the "bull in the ring", one of the guys got knocked down on his back and next thing we knew to our horror he was puking his morning training table orange juice up through his facemask...you know, like a "a fountain" or "Old Faithful" out in Yellowstone!  The coaches started yelling "get him up, get him off his back", whence two of our players bolted from the ring to get him up.  Somehow, I never drank orange juice at the AM training talbe again during two-a-days for the remainder of my career in college! Yuk!  

I have another related story which actually happened to me during a game at Wheaton College during my senior year, however, I will be nice and refrain and tell that one at another time. (maybe!)

[PurpleSuit]

April 29th Kentucky Preps says Ryan Moses is headed to Mount. Of course I also found an offer from Cornell. Come on Mom and Dad, SIGN that check.

he was in alliance today, so i guess that would be a good sign

[skunks_sidekick]

Glad to hear there have been "sightings".  I have heard that he was already participating in the 7 on7's, but I didn't want to throw that out there because it didn't come from my usual reliable source.   

HSCoach - Minerva's QB is the real deal.  That kid can wing the football. 

Hoover didn't send their varsity, so Jr.'s freshman was playing older kids most of the time.  St. Ed's & Massillon were the biggest, strongest, fastest HS teams I have seen in a while.  Both played their younger kids against Hoover (thank god). 

Back to Mount football......I think there will be a 3 way race for the QB position this year.  You heard it here first! 

[Raider 68]

Glad to hear there have been "sightings".  I have heard that he was already participating in the 7 on7's, but I didn't want to throw that out there because it didn't come from my usual reliable source.   

HSCoach - Minerva's QB is the real deal.  That kid can wing the football. 

Hoover didn't send their varsity, so Jr.'s freshman was playing older kids most of the time.  St. Ed's & Massillon were the biggest, strongest, fastest HS teams I have seen in a while.  Both played their younger kids against Hoover (thank god). 

Back to Mount football......I think there will be a 3 way race for the QB position this year.  You heard it here first! 

You could be correct on a 3 way race, but if that is the case it will be solved by the season's opener. Coach Kehres may rotate 2 QB's in the first few games, but not 3 IMHO!

IMHO Piloto still has the edge. but we will see. Moses is 6'3" 180