FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Kehresma]

....Remember when we were at least respectful of the talent that Capital and John Carroll had?

Only "talent" I ever heard about on here had to do with scouting the bars afterwards.

[docgrad2005]

Came from Marietta to watch game. Couple of questions. If you are not "hitting" in practice how can you tell who is best suited for a position. With all the players, how can you be sure talent isn't on the sidelines. Not trying to attack anyone just curious how a player can prove himself.

[formerd3db]

Came from Marietta to watch game. Couple of questions. If you are not "hitting" in practice how can you tell who is best suited for a position. With all the players, how can you be sure talent isn't on the sidelines. Not trying to attack anyone just curious how a player can prove himself.

Just returned from the JV game vs W&J. UMU 21-W&J 0. Lot's of little mistakes, to be expected from Freshmen players but overall we looked fairly decent. Refs were from the NCAC and they definitely need some additional training. We have some players that are going to make very good future Raiders, if they stick it out a couple years. Played 12 minute quarters and ran the clock all the time, which didn't allow for all the players to get in, especially toward the end of the game. All in all, another good outing by the up and coming players!

Tangentially, if some players didn't even get into the JV game, I would think that would not be a good sign for them.  With the huge roster size that Mount has, I would think that it could quite possibly the "the writing on the wall" for an underclassman who was that far down the roster list and not even get in a JV game.  Not to say that someone couldn't prove themselves in the future thereafter because it can (and has been) be done, however, I would think it would be very difficult to move up the ladder in such a situation.

[formerd3db]

seventies:
Regarding your most recent post in reply to my past inquiry about Alma vs. 'Berg this year, I think you might be right.   Alma is probably in for a tough year (as also commented on by some of the Alma supporters over on our MIAA board in reply to yours), although they have a win now this season and Hope still does not.  Ouch!

[docgrad2005]

That wasn't my question.  How are players picked with so many.  I find it hard to believe that without tackling at practice it would be hard to see talent. What guildlines are used.  Are the boys that were "recruited" higher in the ranks?

[formerd3db]

I wasn't answering your question.  My question (in the form of comments) was just a second one added to the discussion of the topic in general .

[formerd3db]

That wasn't my question.  How are players picked with so many.  I find it hard to believe that without tackling at practice it would be hard to see talent. What guildlines are used.  Are the boys that were "recruited" higher in the ranks?

You might also consider asking your question over on the MIAC board since Coach Gagliardi has used the "not contact" practice method for years at St. Johns University and has won two National Championships with it.  I'm sure some of the St. John's posters over there could answer your question.  Hope that helps.

[seventiesraider]

Not sure any of us can answer that for the coaching staff, but having been somewhere around football for a long time, my observation is that tackling is a course, basic skill that most kids have. Some of the finer movement skills and basic instincts are more important as they try to move to another level. That being said, Mount spends an awful lot of time on what some would consider very basic drills building a fundamentally sound basic player.

[Raider 68]

Not sure any of us can answer that for the coaching staff, but having been somewhere around football for a long time, my observation is that tackling is a course, basic skill that most kids have. Some of the finer movement skills and basic instincts are more important as they try to move to another level. That being said, Mount spends an awful lot of time on what some would consider very basic drills building a fundamentally sound basic player.

When a program has a huge number of players ( not sure how many in D3 have the same amount as Mount), it must possess an extremely organized approach to player evaluation, skills recognition and a high level of motivation. No doubt Mount loses many players over a 4 year period, but a large majority remain in the program even with some limited of PT.

You cannot have that type of success for so many years without it. The system operates as a machine, hence the often viewed banner" Welcome to the machine". while the phrase can be critized for its boldness, Mount 's program really operates that way! IMHO

[reality check]

Raider 68

It's funny you actually questioned how many programs in DIII boast the same numbers as Mount.  I would think the next program is 50-100 shy of the roster size at "lil' old Mount Union".

[Pat Coleman]

The numbers reported to us for Kickoff 2010 have seven teams within 20 of the 200 that Mount Union reportedly came to camp with.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Who said (originally) that Mount doesn't tackle/hit at practice?  Did I miss something?

[skunks_sidekick]

That wasn't my question.  How are players picked with so many.  I find it hard to believe that without tackling at practice it would be hard to see talent. What guildlines are used.  Are the boys that were "recruited" higher in the ranks?

From what I gathered, you coached the Roush (?) kid, and were wondering why he didn't get in the JV game, correct?  I think at the level that Mount plays (and more importantly practices), the position coach (s) have direct input as to who is performing best, etc...  My guess is (and I will never admit this in court), once in a while, on occasion, when the situation merits this happening (is that enough disclaimers?), LK will indicate that he wants to "see" someone get PT. 

For a kid who might not be quite as big/fast/quick as the three or four ahead of him, it will be hard for him to show his "intangibles" without seeing the field. 

[seventiesraider]

After finishing watching the shaky JCU video of the game, I'm happy to change my assessment of Neil Seaman. He was confident and stood firm in the pocket. He did a lot of second and third read pass options. He let the running backs do the running. OK, I finally see what Larry has seen in him for years. Clearly the reason I spent a lot of Falls coaching Cross Country

[The_end_of_overlook]

Mount has had large numbers for quite some time now, however the coaches tend to find the right players, and every once in a while there are some players missed. With that being said Mount does hit during practice, not in the sense of bull-in-the-ring or Oklahoma drills, but in their everyday drills. Players are assessed in every part of practice. I can remember a couple assistant coaches explaining that they even film individual part practice and go back and watch them, and this is not counting interior/ perimeter sessions, team sessions, special teams, and or scout team sessions. These coaches put in hours on top of hours of work, film watching and evaluating. They want to win as much if not more than anyone, so why wouldn't they make sure they were putting the right people on the field. Another thing to keep in mind are jv games, and the world famous purple and white scrimmage for the young guys as the season progresses.