FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[PurpleSuit]

actually i wouldnt care if all 22 MUC starters were all league, at Mount theres only one goal that matters.  It's just this isnt peewee football anymore.  the best players should be recognized.

[Bein_86]

actually i wouldnt care if all 22 MUC starters were all league, at Mount theres only one goal that matters.  It's just this isnt peewee football anymore.  the best players should be recognized.

Sometimes in a conference like this one it is hard to tell for the examples stated. Stats are not only thing to be considered. Coaches know when they play other teams who scares them and their votes will sometimes go that way. Like the Preston kid from the Berg.

Best players should be recoginized you are correct, therefore a good player on a great team should not get it over a better player for an average team. Just a thought.

[reality check]

There is truth to what is being said though and fair or not, Seaman will not only get compared to the other candidates, but also to past Mount QB's.  To be honest, his numbers at this point in the season are pedestrian compared to some of his counterparts in recent years.  He could have better numbers than anyone else in the league but if he's not sporting a 25-5 TD-INT ratio, he's middle of the pack in Mount history.  It's a product of the system err....machine.

And as much as we pretend it isn't an issue, the fact that he's a soph and the other contenders are seniors plays a factor too.

[Bein_86]

There is truth to what is being said though and fair or not, Seaman will not only get compared to the other candidates, but also to past Mount QB's.  To be honest, his numbers at this point in the season are pedestrian compared to some of his counterparts in recent years.  He could have better numbers than anyone else in the league but if he's not sporting a 25-5 TD-INT ratio, he's middle of the pack in Mount history.  It's a product of the system err....machine.

And as much as we pretend it isn't an issue, the fact that he's a soph and the other contenders are seniors plays a factor too.

you are right and if it is close (toss up) upperclassmen should get the nod. If he is clearly the best, then that is another story. I am just saying it sure would be nice to get 5 to 6 seconds on every play to complete passes and many other QB'S could and would have similar numbers if they had the luxury of UMU's O-Line

[Raider 68]

Speaking of Kyle Miller.....I watched him throughout the OC/UMU game.  He's a load.  Excellent blocker with great hands.  The TD on the Seaman scramble was neat to observe.  He kept working in the endzone until Neal found him.  He's got a chance to play for pay.  Remember when he came to Mount....didn't know whether he would end up with a number in the 80's or 70's.

The Green Bay Packer scouts came to watch Kyle Miller at the Ott/Mount
game last Saturday!

[Bein_86]

Speaking of Kyle Miller.....I watched him throughout the OC/UMU game.  He's a load.  Excellent blocker with great hands.  The TD on the Seaman scramble was neat to observe.  He kept working in the endzone until Neal found him.  He's got a chance to play for pay.  Remember when he came to Mount....didn't know whether he would end up with a number in the 80's or 70's.

The Green Bay Packer scouts came to watch Kyle Miller at the Ott/Mount
game last Saturday!

I don't care what his stats are, he is real , real good.

[PurpleSuit]

ok, im gonna go with all wilma, etta, and jcu players for all-oac.  they are put in really difficult situations every week so their stats could be a lot better all things considered

[Bein_86]

ok, im gonna go with all wilma, etta, and jcu players for all-oac.  they are put in really difficult situations every week so their stats could be a lot better all things considered

Now that is ridiculous and you know it. You also know what I am getting at but just want to poke fun at the situation. Mount's top 22 are not the best at every spot and you know it, but as a unit they are a good team that will go pretty far in the tourney. I am sure each of those teams does have some good players though that deserve to be recognized.

[PurpleSuit]

not every spot, but the team that dominates the league week in and week out should dominate the all-league team in my opinion.  im sure otterbein could have a couple of spots on the second team

[Bein_86]

not every spot, but the team that dominates the league week in and week out should dominate the all-league team in my opinion.  im sure otterbein could have a couple of spots on the second team

I am not even asking for any Bein players. You do not understand the meaning of the all-league if that is what you think. Then the Pro bowl in the NFL should just be another game between the two teams that played in the Super Bowl...

The coaches know who the best players are. Otterbein has one player that stands out, Dominic Jones and he was the best player on the field Saturday with Kyle Miller being a close second.

[HScoach]

There is truth to what is being said though and fair or not, Seaman will not only get compared to the other candidates, but also to past Mount QB's.  To be honest, his numbers at this point in the season are pedestrian compared to some of his counterparts in recent years.  He could have better numbers than anyone else in the league but if he's not sporting a 25-5 TD-INT ratio, he's middle of the pack in Mount history.  It's a product of the system err....machine.

And as much as we pretend it isn't an issue, the fact that he's a soph and the other contenders are seniors plays a factor too.

I agree completely.  IMHO, the best QB in the OAC is Andrew Miller by a pretty wide margin.  The entire Berg game I kept thinking about how good that kid would look playing for Mount.  Same thoughts as when watching Larlham at BW go against Mount.  They made their teams better.  Seaman is putting up stats because of who he plays with, not in spite of his teammates.  The good ones carry their teams to being better than their standard talent should take them.   Has Seaman really made any plays on his own that made a difference?  Not saying he hasn't made any good decisions or good throws, but what play has he made individually that Andrew Miller wouldn't have made too?

I know Simmons has put up good numbers and led his team well, but I have yet to see it in 3 meetings against Mount so I can't put him at #1.  I won't see the Flaming Pile QB until this week, so I can't offer an opinion on him.  Of the guys I've seen live, I'd rank the OAC's QB as follows:
1.  Andrew Miller - Berg
2.  Kyle Simmons - ONU
3.  Neal Seaman - Mount
4.  Austin Schlosser - Otterbein
Below that, I think the QB play is horrid.  I was shocked at how bad the JCU and Capital QB's were.  Marty Assman was the only playmaker on the entire Capital roster and he was playing WR.  And I can't think of a single player on JCU's roster that would play at Mount. 

If Kurt Rocco's senior season (2680 yds / 31 TD / 6 INT's in regular season) wasn't enough to garner All-OAC, then there is no chance Seaman's sophomore season is good enough.   Nor should it be.  Any good OAC-level QB should be able to do what Seaman is doing this season playing for LK. 

In my opinion, the guys at Mount that should get 1st Team All-OAC are as follows:
  RG/RT Sam Guerrero - versatile leader on O-line
  TE Kyle Miller - Stud with a capital S / best pure TE in Mount history
 
  DE Lambert Budzinski - actually better at DT, but still the OAC's most disruptive lineman at DE
  SS Nick Driskill - pure playmaker

Close but no cigar goes to WR Jasper Collins -  he won't get it because he's a sophomore, but he's as good as anyone else in the league outside of Preston & Shorts

[reality check]

I don't know enough about offensive line play so I will reserve judgment but if I were voting it would go this way:

(Slots per position based on previous years' voting trends)

QB: Andrew Miller - HEID
WR: Mike Preston - HEID, Ryan Gunnarson - CAP, Cecil Shorts - MTU (He needs to get back on the field soon though)
TE: Kyle Miller - MTU
RB: Brent Donley - ONU, Colton Coy - OTT, Jeremy Murray - MTU
K: Brewer - OTT

DB: Richards - ONU, Jones - OTT, Smith - CAP, Korpieski - OTT, Driskill - MTU
LB: Seitzinger - JCU, Kershaw - MTU, Jacobs - CAP, Martin - WILM
DL: Budzinski - MTU, Darbut - BW, Bajc - MUSK, Tate - MAR, Dieusel - MTU
P: Weslosky - ONU

RET: Jones - OTT

COTY: Snell (that hurt my fingers to type)

I'm sure I missed some and would welcome thoughts or some debate over the guys I picked out.  Of course a lot can change but I wouldn't be surprised if it shakes out this way...

[B38W]

COTY: Snell (that hurt my fingers to type)

LOL. Good one.

[purple]

 Let's take it easy on Neal Seaman.  Even Bill Borchert, Jim Ballard, and certainly Gary Smeck had forgettable games as sophomores.  In fact Gary Smeck played better than he  had all year in the second half of the championship game with Rowan.  The fact is those guys had stars at every position, and were absolutely loaded on defense.  Seaman and his buddies are sophomores and man are they going to be good.  Maybe, like the 1998 team, it wont happen for some of them until the playoffs.   Can anyone believe LK is going to go over 300 wins in his 25th year!?

[pradierguy]

From the department of For What It's Worth:

Cecil ranked as the #9 WR in the 2011 NFL Draft - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_WR