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[Alliance72]

Many people do not understand that these kids at the D1 level are sold to their schools and they own them.  My nephew (at OSU and not suspended) has almost no time to be at home.  The total for the year amounts to about 4 weeks per year.  Thus they cannot hold a summer job or any job for that matter to make a few bucks for spending moeny.  My nephew has parents that can give him a reasonable amount of money to be able to go out to buy gas for his 11 year old car, make repairs on the car, or buy a pizza (or god forbid get a tattoo).   A  lot (most I would say) do not have a lot of extra cash laying around.  

It is weird that they can't sell their own property.  What if a kid started a side business selling widgets.  If somebody bought the widgets and paid a small premium the NCAA would call this improper benfits I guess no matter that the business was providing a service and maybe a service worth the premium.

Should college kids get paid?  probably not but when you are dealing with small amounts give em a break.  Suspending them for half a season when Cam Newton was trying to be (and mabe is) a professional at $180 grand doesn't make much sense/  If a kid at Mount needed some cash and was short sighted enough to sell his championship ring shouldn't that be his business?
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Don't they get a free education?  Maybe I'm naive,  but I don't understand what's stopping your nephew or any other Division I athlete from leaving if they don't like the rules and restrictions.               

[Knightstalker]

Many people do not understand that these kids at the D1 level are sold to their schools and they own them.  My nephew (at OSU and not suspended) has almost no time to be at home.  The total for the year amounts to about 4 weeks per year.  Thus they cannot hold a summer job or any job for that matter to make a few bucks for spending moeny.  My nephew has parents that can give him a reasonable amount of money to be able to go out to buy gas for his 11 year old car, make repairs on the car, or buy a pizza (or god forbid get a tattoo).   A  lot (most I would say) do not have a lot of extra cash laying around.  

It is weird that they can't sell their own property.  What if a kid started a side business selling widgets.  If somebody bought the widgets and paid a small premium the NCAA would call this improper benfits I guess no matter that the business was providing a service and maybe a service worth the premium.

Should college kids get paid?  probably not but when you are dealing with small amounts give em a break.  Suspending them for half a season when Cam Newton was trying to be (and mabe is) a professional at $180 grand doesn't make much sense/  If a kid at Mount needed some cash and was short sighted enough to sell his championship ring shouldn't that be his business?

Do the kids at a D-I school pay for their jerseys or rings or are they paid for by the school.  If they are paid for by the school, that is most likely the reason the NCAA won't allow them to sell them for profit.  Not saying it is the best reason but with the NCAA you never quite know their reasoning.

Many of these kids are getting a chance at a 200K+ education to play sports at these schools, they are getting paid.  Should they be allowed to hold a legitimate summer job, yes and I also feel they should get a small stipend but not much because every scholarship athlete will want the same thing and the schools could not afford that.

[formerd3db]

I'm sure there will be a wide range of opinions on this matter.  I agree with you guys that the penalty that the NCAA has levied on these players is too harsh.  Once again, the NCAA makes a ridiculously out-of-context decision - some things will never change.

I also agree that if the players want to sell their own property, that is their business.  Also, payment for such aspects as championship rings depends on the school - some schools pay for the majority of these items while requiring the student/their parents to pay the remaining %, while others it is paid for by the school.  On the other aspect, I am not for scholarship athletes getting a small stipend.  Good grief, they are getting their education paid for entirely, while others parents (hint; those of us at DIII schools parents had to work their arses off and are paying upwards of well-over $100,000 for the college education, while these other guys get a free-ride.  Obviously, some here will arue that some of the players come from underprivileged backgrounds and don't have even small amounts of spending $ (for aspects such as laundry $, pizza, etc.,, etc. i.e. the "little stuff" that college kids would normally do and enjoy).  What the NCAA really needs to do, IMO, is allow these guys to work at summer jobs and/or some job on and/or off campus where they can earn some of this spending $ to pay for aspects - instead of saying...oh, you have your scholarship, but you can't get some $ to help pay for these other aspects.  Let them work like other college students have to do - like many of our parents or friends did to put themselve through college.  Even then, the athletes would have tremendously better than the latter examples by so much it isn't even comparable. 

Anyway, I'm sure some of you will disagree with me on some of these aspects, but that is fine.  Always good to have some differences of opinion on such discussion topics.  One thing I'm sure we'll agree on is that the chances of the NCAA "getting any of this right" is slim.   It will be interesting to see how it plays out i.e. with the Ohio State appeal.  Thanks for an  interesting discussion on this just developing story.

[HScoach]

Interesting to say the least.  Cam Newton is eligible to play in BCS title game, though likely handing back his Heisman in a couple years, and Pryor is suspended NEXT year?  Really.  Next year?  Guess the NCAA is more interested in keeping the bowl TV ratings up than they are policing their own.

Sounds like the Braxton Miller ear just started a year earlier than expected.

[badgerwarhawk]

The NCAA's main interest is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[jaypeter]

I understand that it is quite possible that students may pay for a portion of championship rings and things of that nature, but it is my understanding that the NCAA views things in this way...

These athletes are selling/trading things (jerseys, autographs, awards, rings, etc.) that they earned or were given as a result of the players' athletic ability.  By selling the items, the athletes are profiting from their skills as an athlete, whether the kid paid for them himself or not.  As an NCAA amature athlete, you are not allowed to profit from your athleticism. 

That's why, in the eyes of the NCAA, the players cannot sell their own property.

[seventiesraider]

I guess it's a little late to complain about the Billion dollar business the NCAA has become.

Some of their ads during the Stagg made me sick remembering the dedicated student focused organization it once was.

[WarhawkDad]

I guess it's a little late to complain about the Billion dollar business the NCAA has become.

Some of their ads during the Stagg made me sick remembering the dedicated student focused organization it once was.

seventiesraider

Good to see you back in form    I have always appreciated your sense of humor,  ........ that was humor wasn't it   

Happy Holidays +k

[joelmama]

Many people do not understand that these kids at the D1 level are sold to their schools and they own them.  My nephew (at OSU and not suspended) has almost no time to be at home.  The total for the year amounts to about 4 weeks per year.  Thus they cannot hold a summer job or any job for that matter to make a few bucks for spending moeny.  My nephew has parents that can give him a reasonable amount of money to be able to go out to buy gas for his 11 year old car, make repairs on the car, or buy a pizza (or god forbid get a tattoo).   A  lot (most I would say) do not have a lot of extra cash laying around.  

It is weird that they can't sell their own property.  What if a kid started a side business selling widgets.  If somebody bought the widgets and paid a small premium the NCAA would call this improper benfits I guess no matter that the business was providing a service and maybe a service worth the premium.

Should college kids get paid?  probably not but when you are dealing with small amounts give em a break.  Suspending them for half a season when Cam Newton was trying to be (and mabe is) a professional at $180 grand doesn't make much sense/  If a kid at Mount needed some cash and was short sighted enough to sell his championship ring shouldn't that be his business?
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Don't they get a free education?  Maybe I'm naive,  but I don't understand what's stopping your nephew or any other Division I athlete from leaving if they don't like the rules and restrictions.              

Yes they do get a free education.  That is not the point.  A lot of kids at the D3 level get a free education too.  But at the lower levels the amount of time that is expected to be put in is less.  They have time in the summer to work a job and earn spending money for the year.  How much time away from school do D3 kids have?  For most it is about 10 weeks in the summer a week at spring break and a couple of weeks at Christmas.  My nephew since school started has been home for two days (yesterday and the day before.  he goes back to school for bowl practivce on the 26th.  He will then have a week off for spring break.  The next time he can come home is in later June for about a week and a half before he has to go back for the first summer session of classes.  He then has a week or week and a half off in July/August and then summer camp starts again.  That is it.  A big difference from a kid not at a major school.  I am not saying there are not big advantages to a D1 scholarship (the main one being graduating with a degree and no loans to pay off as well as not having any family expense for tuition).  However many of these kids families  do not have the financial resources to p provide moeny for other expenses basically the spending moeny a kid in college should have for the "extras" of living life.  

[joelmama]

Many people do not understand that these kids at the D1 level are sold to their schools and they own them.  My nephew (at OSU and not suspended) has almost no time to be at home.  The total for the year amounts to about 4 weeks per year.  Thus they cannot hold a summer job or any job for that matter to make a few bucks for spending moeny.  My nephew has parents that can give him a reasonable amount of money to be able to go out to buy gas for his 11 year old car, make repairs on the car, or buy a pizza (or god forbid get a tattoo).   A  lot (most I would say) do not have a lot of extra cash laying around.  

It is weird that they can't sell their own property.  What if a kid started a side business selling widgets.  If somebody bought the widgets and paid a small premium the NCAA would call this improper benfits I guess no matter that the business was providing a service and maybe a service worth the premium.

Should college kids get paid?  probably not but when you are dealing with small amounts give em a break.  Suspending them for half a season when Cam Newton was trying to be (and mabe is) a professional at $180 grand doesn't make much sense/  If a kid at Mount needed some cash and was short sighted enough to sell his championship ring shouldn't that be his business?

Do the kids at a D-I school pay for their jerseys or rings or are they paid for by the school.  If they are paid for by the school, that is most likely the reason the NCAA won't allow them to sell them for profit.  Not saying it is the best reason but with the NCAA you never quite know their reasoning.

Many of these kids are getting a chance at a 200K+ education to play sports at these schools, they are getting paid.  Should they be allowed to hold a legitimate summer job, yes and I also feel they should get a small stipend but not much because every scholarship athlete will want the same thing and the schools could not afford that.

They do not have to pay for these things, but that is really not the point.  These things are given to them and they are their property.  If someone gave my kid something she could sell it for whatever she wanted to.  OSU is very careful about things they control such as tickets.  Each kid is given 4 tickets to each game.  To get these tickets you have to go to will call and show ID and then you must go straight into the stadium and use them and not go anywhere whewhere they copuld be sold.  I had NCAA compliance call me twice this year when I was put on the pass list.  They want to know who gave me the tickets and how much I paid for them ($0).  If the answer is anything but $0 the kid loses his ticket priveledges and the kid will be suspended.

[joelmama]

Interesting to say the least.  Cam Newton is eligible to play in BCS title game, though likely handing back his Heisman in a couple years, and Pryor is suspended NEXT year?  Really.  Next year?  Guess the NCAA is more interested in keeping the bowl TV ratings up than they are policing their own.

Sounds like the Braxton Miller ear just started a year earlier than expected.

In this particular rule  there is a statement that says that the suspensions do not apply for bowl games.  A lot of people are making a big deal about them not being suspended for the bowl game (Mark May the resident OSU hater) who said that if it had been an SEC scholl they would have been suspended for the bowl game.  The fact is the NCAA followed their own rule and I think would no matter what school or conference they came from.

[seventiesraider]

OK, if I'm 22 years old, would it be hard to understand why "giving" me all this stuff doesn't harm my amateur stuff, but selling them does?

BTW: Merry Christmas to everyone here, just don't sell your stuff  

[rscl70]

Merry Christmas

[footballfan413]

Happy Holidays to the OAC crew!  Hope it is filled with lots of  love, friends and family and that 2011 is one of hope, peace and prosperity for all!  It's almost next year!  

[badgerwarhawk]

OK, if I'm 22 years old, would it be hard to understand why "giving" me all this stuff doesn't harm my amateur stuff, but selling them does?

BTW: Merry Christmas to everyone here, just don't sell your stuff 

Because the NCAA says it doesn't. 

Merry Christmas from the WIAC