FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Knightstalker]

Formerd3db, the only reason I mentioned a small stipend is because the NCAA won't let scholarship athletes work summer jobs etc.

I was watching espn last night and apparently the selling of gear by the athletes is supposed to be explained during compliance lectures to every team.  The NCAA says OSU did not make it clear and Ohio State says they did.  If the NCAA really wanted to send a message they would suspend the players for the first 5 conference games.  Oh wait, that may impact the NCAA and schools bottom line when it comes to the almighty TV dollar.

[formerd3db]

Formerd3db, the only reason I mentioned a small stipend is because the NCAA won't let scholarship athletes work summer jobs etc.

I was watching espn last night and apparently the selling of gear by the athletes is supposed to be explained during compliance lectures to every team.  The NCAA says OSU did not make it clear and Ohio State says they did.  If the NCAA really wanted to send a message they would suspend the players for the first 5 conference games.  Oh wait, that may impact the NCAA and schools bottom line when it comes to the almighty TV dollar.

knightstalker:

I totally understand where you are coming from; and that's why, IMO, the NCAA should let DI and DII scholarship players work summer jobs or even off-season on-campus or nearby town jobs to be able to earn this "spending $" or even if they want to help their families out at little bit.  I can understand that during the season, they do not have time to work at such a job, however, there is no way anyone can say they wouldn't have time to do that in the spring sememster, even with spring practice.  And I don't care if it were even a job at some fast-food store or a local hardware store, etc., etc., for a few hours a week - the student-athletes certainly do that.  If they can "discipline" themselves to go to the weightroom and for spring practice in management with their classes, they certainly can do the same for a minimal hours per week job somewhere.  I'm sure that some employers would welcome such a program to help their stores out with some minimal hours, if such an arrangement/program could be made with the okay from the NCAA and even the university/college.

Speaking of time management, I see where 4 players from Georgia Tech are ineligible for Ga. Tech's upcoming bowl game due to academic problems.  Which brings us all the way back to this issue in the frist place - while I do not know the particulars of those player's situations, if they didn't apply themselves to the classroom and take that portion of their college football responsibilities seriously, then they got just what they deserved.  Bottom line is what we've all been told and taught by our parents, coaches from youth programs, to high school, to our college playing days - if you don't made the grades and/or at least put the effort into it for passing at the very least, you don't get to play - plain and simple.  Doesn't matter whether you are from an underprivileged background or not - no excuses.

Anyway, back to the Ohio State issue, it appears that they need to "shore up" their compliance program and staff to help improve and make sure that everyone understands the process and policies.  I'm sorry the players had to face this (and again, I don't agree with the NCAA's penaltiy here - 5 games is too much and not right - and I'm not even an Ohio State fan -except for Tressel i.e. I'm a Michigan man as my father was an alum of the latter), but hopefully, these type of situations can be clarified.  I don't believe, however, that the NCAA will do or really care about doing the "right thing" here - they do what they want regardless, which is sad and related to the $ as you and others have correctly point out.  Thanks for your opinion/view on this - again, all very interesting and just...part of the game.

Aren't you guys glad we don't have to deal with these issues at our DIII level?

BTW, since it is Christmas Eve, I wish you and everyone here a joyous Christmas Eve and Day and weekend.

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Saintsfan,

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[joelmama]

Formerd3db, the only reason I mentioned a small stipend is because the NCAA won't let scholarship athletes work summer jobs etc.

I was watching espn last night and apparently the selling of gear by the athletes is supposed to be explained during compliance lectures to every team.  The NCAA says OSU did not make it clear and Ohio State says they did.  If the NCAA really wanted to send a message they would suspend the players for the first 5 conference games.  Oh wait, that may impact the NCAA and schools bottom line when it comes to the almighty TV dollar.

knightstalker:

I totally understand where you are coming from; and that's why, IMO, the NCAA should let DI and DII scholarship players work summer jobs or even off-season on-campus or nearby town jobs to be able to earn this "spending $" or even if they want to help their families out at little bit.  I can understand that during the season, they do not have time to work at such a job, however, there is no way anyone can say they wouldn't have time to do that in the spring sememster, even with spring practice.  And I don't care if it were even a job at some fast-food store or a local hardware store, etc., etc., for a few hours a week - the student-athletes certainly do that.  If they can "discipline" themselves to go to the weightroom and for spring practice in management with their classes, they certainly can do the same for a minimal hours per week job somewhere.  I'm sure that some employers would welcome such a program to help their stores out with some minimal hours, if such an arrangement/program could be made with the okay from the NCAA and even the university/college.

Speaking of time management, I see where 4 players from LSU are ineligible for LSU's upcoming bowl game due to academic problems.  Which brings us all the way back to this issue in the frist place - while I do not know the particulars of those player's situations, if they didn't apply themselves to the classroom and take that portion of their college football responsibilities seriously, then they got just what they deserved.  Bottom line is what we've all been told and taught by our parents, coaches from youth programs, to high school, to our college playing days - if you don't made the grades and/or at least put the effort into it for passing at the very least, you don't get to play - plain and simple.  Doesn't matter whether you are from an underprivileged background or not - no excuses.

Anyway, back to the Ohio State issue, it appears that they need to "shore up" their compliance program and staff to help improve and make sure that everyone understands the process and policies.  I'm sorry the players had to face this (and again, I don't agree with the NCAA's penaltiy here - 5 games is too much and not right - and I'm not even an Ohio State fan -except for Tressel i.e. I'm a Michigan man as my father was an alum of the latter), but hopefully, these type of situations can be clarified.  I don't believe, however, that the NCAA will do or really care about doing the "right thing" here - they do what they want regardless, which is sad and related to the $ as you and others have correctly point out.  Thanks for your opinion/view on this - again, all very interesting and just...part of the game.

Aren't you guys glad we don't have to deal with these issues at our DIII level?

BTW, since it is Christmas Eve, I wish you and everyone here a joyous Christmas Eve and Day and weekend.

They dont actually have the time during spring or any other semester because football takes so much time.  They generally load up with extra classes so that in the fall they can take a lighter load.  I really don't want my kids working more than 10 hours a week during school and with practice every day and lifting etc.  football at D1 takes up a lot more time than that.  There is a mandated maximum practice time but film study, and lifting etc does not count towards that time.

[formerd3db]

joelmama:

You're probably right re: spring semesters.  I know that many of us, even at the DIII level, took lighter loads in the fall during the actual football season, then had to pick up many classes in the spring to make up for that.  On the other hand, I do know that some players did have jobs in the spring semester, but it was more like work-study jobs that did pay them a little bit.  So I know that if allowed, that could be done at the DI and DII level.  So I do know what you mean about not over taxing students - there are only "so many hours in the day" as that saying goes and people do need to get sleep; what's left over has to be divided among study/classes, etc.  Yet, during the summer, there is no reason why they wouldn't have time to work, even a few hours if allowed.  Yes, I know that during the summer, DI programs require their players to do workouts on their own, but so does DIII.  And DII and DIII programs, even before their own version of spring practice was allowed, requires just as much time as DI programs do for players, if every one is really honest about it. 

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Yeah Saintsfan, I posted this mostly because of your disdain for Fricker's.

Happy Holidays to all.  Safe travels.

[joelmama]

joelmama:

You're probably right re: spring semesters.  I know that many of us, even at the DIII level, took lighter loads in the fall during the actual football season, then had to pick up many classes in the spring to make up for that.  On the other hand, I do know that some players did have jobs in the spring semester, but it was more like work-study jobs that did pay them a little bit.  So I know that if allowed, that could be done at the DI and DII level.  So I do know what you mean about not over taxing students - there are only "so many hours in the day" as that saying goes and people do need to get sleep; what's left over has to be divided among study/classes, etc.  Yet, during the summer, there is no reason why they wouldn't have time to work, even a few hours if allowed.  Yes, I know that during the summer, DI programs require their players to do workouts on their own, but so does DIII.  And DII and DIII programs, even before their own version of spring practice was allowed, requires just as much time as DI programs do for players, if every one is really honest about it. 

what you are missing is that work study is not allowed at all and they are not supposed to take jobs outside because if they get any extra benefits (like an easier job than someone lese or paid anything above what the minimum is then they could lose their eligibility if it is investigated and found true.  The NCAA is nuts.

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I could be wrong here, but i have read several different place that students who attend schools on a full scholarship do get several hundreds of additional money per month for living purposes (not housing or meal plan)

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I could be wrong here, but i have read several different place that students who attend schools on a full scholarship do get several hundreds of additional money per month for living purposes (not housing or meal plan)

A friend of mine wrestled in college at Northwestern on a partial scholarship.  When he moved out of the dorms, he got a monthly allowance for rent/food since he wasn't living on campus anymore.  He and a bunch of wrestlers moved in together so they could save $ and used the extra $$ how they wanted.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Merry Christmas to all my little internet friends!

[joelmama]

I could be wrong here, but i have read several different place that students who attend schools on a full scholarship do get several hundreds of additional money per month for living purposes (not housing or meal plan)

A friend of mine wrestled in college at Northwestern on a partial scholarship.  When he moved out of the dorms, he got a monthly allowance for rent/food since he wasn't living on campus anymore.  He and a bunch of wrestlers moved in together so they could save $ and used the extra $$ how they wanted.

That is pretty much the case with the players at OSU rent is high there but I think they do well enough with the food money.

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[raiderpa]

Merry Christmas...Is it too weird to be counting the days until Mount football begins?