FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Desertraider]

d3footballguy: well the bw.edu email makes me think you may have a bias..but that is fine - we all have one. 1st of all welcome aboard. 2nd I understand being angry at the call, and the emotion of it all. The problem is sort of like the "Harbaugh handshake". BW played a great game - but it gets glossed over due the ugly ending. We all know the Mount history - and by the way it is 2 OAC losses since 1994 not 1995 - but the reality is that the call was not made. Did the reaction from BW do anything to change it? Nope. But it did cheapen the memory of the game a bit. BW is a better team than what was demonstrated in the last minute of that game. Besides you mention in your post that it would leave a sour taste to feel the officials decided the game and then end with "i think you gotta throw that flag there ". That sums it all up. If the flag was thrown the officials still would have decided the game and the sour taste would be on the other side. Either someone was gonna walk away feeling jobbed. The difference is that had the call been made - Mount would not have thrown stuff on the field, etc.

[mtfan]

Incredible game as both teams left it all on the field, reminiscent of the Mount/Cap and Mount/JCU games of the past along with even the multiple OT game with BW.  One thing noticeable was the Mount fans waking up and getting into the game. Alot more crowd noise and the student body really cranking it up as well. I've seen the final play a few times now and actually could have gone either way as both meet up at the same time and really questionable even if it was catchable. tough call to make either way. As for the KO return TD that changed momentum, that i was totally shocked on the missed hold call right along the sideline that basically broke the run free. I know LK saw it as well as a number of other coaches. I guess i agree too, get rid of the hold rule if they aren't going to make the calls.
It would be great to see BW get a Pool C bid assuming they'll finish 8-2 and JCU is a big rivalry. The Jackets deserve a shot but pool C bids are few and hard to come by.

[seventiesraider]

 I can and will blame Coach Snell for what was a bush league display from his bench and more sadly from his staff who should have been trying to regain control.What little respect I ever had for the man vanished in the last minutes of the game. The team played their hearts out and have my respect.

As for The Play, it was right in front of me, and calling it blatant is a stretch. There was an official standing 6 feet away from the play. I'll choose to go with his call. A much better view than the folks who decided that it was suddenly WWF and OK to throw crap in the field

[Kehresma]

Lots of non calls by officials who had a better angle and closer view but that last one particularly crushing at that peak of the BW dream.  One offensive pass interference call was questioned by folks around me who thought it should have gone the other way. Studying the recording afterward, I'm kind of proud to see my favorite receiver's arm around the back of his inside defender, preventing the interception.

What gracious, great BW fans we met before and after the game.

[rscl70]

I think we're being a little hard on the unsportsman like conduct at the end of the game.  It's not right and I don't condone it, but before we throw too many sticks and stones at BW we might want to remember a very ugly display of temper by a certain Mount Union coach at a recent Stagg Bowl.

Both teams played their hearts out and left it all on the field.  Let's just keep the memory of a great game.

[Raider 68]

I think we're being a little hard on the unsportsman like conduct at the end of the game.  It's not right and I don't condone it, but before we throw too many sticks and stones at BW we might want to remember a very ugly display of temper by a certain Mount Union coach at a recent Stagg Bowl.

Both teams played their hearts out and left it all on the field.  Let's just keep the memory of a great game.

Agree, there were other penalties or no/calls that could have gone in the Raiders favor. A clear holding call on the TD kickoff return and the offensive pass interference on AJ Claycomb. In a highly emotion game, the players and coaches react without thinking at times.

After going up 19-0, I think the Raiders relaxed a bit mentally and then lost the momemtum after the kickoff TD. That said, the final drive and TD will help them in the playoffs!

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

If anyone has the game DVRd and can burn it to a DVD, I would gladly pay you for shipping and supplies if you could mail it to me.  No STO in FL. 

[reality check]

I haven't seen any of the action, just reading what I see on here. 

If it's a bang-bang play and the game was on the line, I totally understand the emotion involved and the less-than-sportsmanlike reaction by BW.  To say that Mount would act differently is not fair in my opinion.  A defense that is involved in a bang-bang pass interference call will react but won't go crazy because that's not the play that would win or lose the game, it simply extends it.  For BW however, the non-call (right or wrong - again I have no idea as I haven't seen it) did end their chances of a comeback.  If Mount was down five and driving and all details were reversed, I would bet there would be some pretty similarly emotionally charged reactions, as would be the case for most teams in Division III.


We had an ugly scene in our final game of high school ball in which we called a fake punt.  We hit the edge and our runner was clearly horse-collared ten feet in front of our sidelines right at the first down marker.  Our staff and players went nuts (admittedly myself included).  Emotions can run high and they were in this case as well.  There was no flag and worse yet, the officials had no one in position to spot the ball.  We were robbed on the spot and the non-call on the tackle turned the ball over on downs.  Our bench received two unsportsmanlikes before play resumed.  One came when the opposite line judge lectured our assistants.  When he repeated himself for the third time, our receivers coach put his hand up and said in a calm voice, "thank you, I got it," and the official threw the flag shouting, "NO!  NOONE SHAKES THEIR HANDS AT ME!".  I'm sure you can imagine worse, but that's what it was.  I was kind of frozen in time watching and couldn't believe the flag was thrown.  The second unsportsmanlike came when the white hat addressed the HC and said from that point on that he was the only coach allowed to speak to the officials and that the next asst. that complained about a call would not be penalized but tossed.  So the white hat said that any future complaints needed to be addressed through the HC.  The HC calmly said, "I'd like to talk about that horrible non-call," and the official threw a second flag (actually his hat).  It was a mess but if you asked me about ownership and responsibility, I don't think a single coach on our sideline (nor any players for that matter) were out of line.  I was upset because we could have a had a kid hurt and the fact that there was no zebra within twenty five yards to make a call was unsettling.  The opposite line judge should have had the spot but didn't.  Our line judge had retreated down the sideline to punt coverage depth.  Our line judge was actually cool about it and when asked later he admitted he had no angle on the call or the spot because of his responsibility on the punt and that his crew should have been in better position.  It was a perfect storm and I still feel the officiating crew was out of line for their actions/reactions/judgments (minus the line judge on our side).  It happens and it's part of the game unfortunately.  Human error, egos and judgement all play a part in all sports.  Everyone is entitled to lose their cool from time to time.  If you don't lose your cool, I'm not sure you're playing with the proper fuel if and when things go down like both scenarios addressed above. 

[seventiesraider]

 Go to the automatic bids article and see the blatant interference.........on Denton's winning TD.

Yes Vince lost control at the Stagg and it was pointless, but the rest of the staff was trying to restrain him, not encourage him

[reality check]

Go to the automatic bids article and see the blatant interference.........on Denton's winning TD.

Yes Vince lost control at the Stagg and it was pointless, but the rest of the staff was trying to restrain him, not encourage him

How does a still photo where both the ball and the defender are both there prove anything is blatant?  If he didn't have the ball yet, it would be blatant.  What you're referring to in the image proves very little one way or another.

[SaintsFAN]

I haven't seen any of the action, just reading what I see on here. 

If it's a bang-bang play and the game was on the line, I totally understand the emotion involved and the less-than-sportsmanlike reaction by BW.  To say that Mount would act differently is not fair in my opinion.  A defense that is involved in a bang-bang pass interference call will react but won't go crazy because that's not the play that would win or lose the game, it simply extends it.  For BW however, the non-call (right or wrong - again I have no idea as I haven't seen it) did end their chances of a comeback.  If Mount was down five and driving and all details were reversed, I would bet there would be some pretty similarly emotionally charged reactions, as would be the case for most teams in Division III.


We had an ugly scene in our final game of high school ball in which we called a fake punt.  We hit the edge and our runner was clearly horse-collared ten feet in front of our sidelines right at the first down marker.  Our staff and players went nuts (admittedly myself included).  Emotions can run high and they were in this case as well.  There was no flag and worse yet, the officials had no one in position to spot the ball.  We were robbed on the spot and the non-call on the tackle turned the ball over on downs.  Our bench received two unsportsmanlikes before play resumed.  One came when the opposite line judge lectured our assistants.  When he repeated himself for the third time, our receivers coach put his hand up and said in a calm voice, "thank you, I got it," and the official threw the flag shouting, "NO!  NOONE SHAKES THEIR HANDS AT ME!".  I'm sure you can imagine worse, but that's what it was.  I was kind of frozen in time watching and couldn't believe the flag was thrown.  The second unsportsmanlike came when the white hat addressed the HC and said from that point on that he was the only coach allowed to speak to the officials and that the next asst. that complained about a call would not be penalized but tossed.  So the white hat said that any future complaints needed to be addressed through the HC.  The HC calmly said, "I'd like to talk about that horrible non-call," and the official threw a second flag (actually his hat).  It was a mess but if you asked me about ownership and responsibility, I don't think a single coach on our sideline (nor any players for that matter) were out of line.  I was upset because we could have a had a kid hurt and the fact that there was no zebra within twenty five yards to make a call was unsettling.  The opposite line judge should have had the spot but didn't.  Our line judge had retreated down the sideline to punt coverage depth.  Our line judge was actually cool about it and when asked later he admitted he had no angle on the call or the spot because of his responsibility on the punt and that his crew should have been in better position.  It was a perfect storm and I still feel the officiating crew was out of line for their actions/reactions/judgments (minus the line judge on our side).  It happens and it's part of the game unfortunately.  Human error, egos and judgement all play a part in all sports.  Everyone is entitled to lose their cool from time to time.  If you don't lose your cool, I'm not sure you're playing with the proper fuel if and when things go down like both scenarios addressed above.

Agree with you... even if you graduated from a Dayton Public School..

[B.W. jacket]

Go to the automatic bids article and see the blatant interference.........on Denton's winning TD.


seventiesraider: Are you kidding me?

[Desertraider]

I think we're being a little hard on the unsportsman like conduct at the end of the game.  It's not right and I don't condone it, but before we throw too many sticks and stones at BW we might want to remember a very ugly display of temper by a certain Mount Union coach at a recent Stagg Bowl.

Both teams played their hearts out and left it all on the field.  Let's just keep the memory of a great game.

I remember it and yes it was ugly. However, as has been mentioned - the other coaches and even some players were trying to restrain him. I have been to a bunch of Mount games - I have seen Mount commit some personal fouls - but I have never seen the bench lose control, or the coaches lose control of the bench like that. I don't think it is unfair to say Mount (players)would have acted differently - because they do. Again - I understand the emotion but for me it comes down to coaching and respect. If you respect your program, fellow players and coaches you don't do that. This is just MHO.

[reality check]

I can't recall an identical situation in recent or not-so-recent history for a Mount fan to compare this to.  Unless Mount lost a game as a result of a non-call on a very close game in which they were driving for the go-ahead score, it's a pointless argument.  I think Mount would react pretty heavily if they were in the Yellow Jackets' shoes Saturday.  This isn't a "we act differently" scenario because Mount hasn't been in an IDENTICAL scenario to prove they'd happily accept the loss and move on.  It's an apples to oranges comparison that no one can really say for certain wouldn't happen in their program under the exact same circumstances.  Do you really think anyone at Mount remembers that well what it's like to come in as the underdog as a visitor to the conference power and have a chance to pull off the upset?  These are emotions and scenarios Mount hasn't had to experience in 20 years.

[purple]

When the Great Jim Ballard was a sophomore Mount lost a close game to BW at BW 21-18,and we got "homered" all night. It was 1991 and many of us haven't gotten past it yet.