FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[formerd3db]

Mr. Ypsi:
You couldn't be more rigtht.  This is such an unfair rule that will punish and make a hardship for many people in such legitimate situations as you have pointed out and, in turn, hurt the colleges/universities.  This isn't going to help higher education and while I can understand the intent in trying to decrease the national debt, this is not a good solution to part of the puzzle.  Just another egregious (far stronger terms are really more appropriate) example of how our congress is failing miserably - what a shame.  It is pathetic and makes me disgusted.  

[Raider 68]

theaprof,

How long has this been in the works?

[raiderpa]

I would agree reasonable policing has to be done with federal monies tied to  graduation/academic success or properly progressing in an academic program.  The one that really bugs me is how the basketball players who declare for the NBA draft are supposedly playing the entire second semester without attending classes then leaving, as their eligibility is determined by the first semester.  Is this true and if it is what is the NCAA doing to close this loophole?

[formerd3db]

I would agree reasonable policing has to be done with federal monies tied to  graduation/academic success or properly progressing in an academic program.  The one that really bugs me is how the basketball players who declare for the NBA draft are supposedly playing the entire second semester without attending classes then leaving, as their eligibility is determined by the first semester.  Is this true and if it is what is the NCAA doing to close this loophole?

Excellent point also, raiderpa.

[NCF]

I would agree reasonable policing has to be done with federal monies tied to  graduation/academic success or properly progressing in an academic program.  The one that really bugs me is how the basketball players who declare for the NBA draft are supposedly playing the entire second semester without attending classes then leaving, as their eligibility is determined by the first semester.  Is this true and if it is what is the NCAA doing to close this loophole?

Excellent point also, raiderpa.

Which doesn't surprise me and why stricter guidelines need to be in place. I remember reading a story in the Chicago Sun-Times about how much federal grant/loan money is wasted by students who drop out in the first two years of college and don't earn enough credits to justify the amount of money doled out.

[theaprof]

theaprof,

How long has this been in the works?

It started with this academic year--so it took effect in August for most schools.

[Craft_Beermeister]

I just saw a twitter posting that free-agent WR Pierre Garcon is expected to take a look around in the free agency market before deciding on re-signing with the Colts.

Pierre would look real good in a Browns uniform.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I just saw a twitter posting that free-agent WR Pierre Garcon is expected to take a look around in the free agency market before deciding on re-signing with the Colts.

Pierre would look real good in a Browns uniform.

Why in the HE double hockey sticks would Pierre (or any other free agent) want to go to the Browns?

[formerd3db]

Craft_B'mstr:

I don't have a problem with that in the sense that if students drop out for whatever reason, that is their decision - as long as the $ granted to them is just for those specific years they attend i.e. a per year basis.  Perhaps there needs to be some stipulations based on some type of "formula" or scale based on those amounts of credits they didn't earn as you mention such that the students then are required to repay a respective portion of those grants back (now, perhaps there are some legit circumstances as Mr. Ypsi has mentioned, where there is a hardship situation in the family that caused the drop out).  Another aspect that I believe in is that if the financial aid is granted for a four year period, then I would agree with you, the wasted two years is just that - wasted $.  In that situation, I agree with you it needs to be corrected (again, in the example scenario you give where someone drops out after two years) i.e. if the financial aid is in the form of loans, then those students obviously have the obligation to pay those loans back.

In addition to all the above, where I see another problem in that regard, is that in these tough economic times, the government needs to assist students in having some options as to how to structure those loan payments back in a manner that they will be able to handle such payments, based on their situation, jobs, economic status, instead of much of the current aspect where a loan becomes due after the "grace period" and they only have one option of paying a set payment.  However, I will say that there are some newer regulations that allow students to work with the loaning administrators in working out a viable/feasible and fair plan for repayment; obviously, students need to also be willing to uphold their responsibility in making a good faith effort to pay those obligations back.  I do, however, also agree with you and the others that there needs to be some type of changes made in regards to these kids who leave early for pro sports.  Obviously, there are two sides to that argument; recall the Michigan Fab Five's claims, although I do not agree with them on that at all.

An interesting discussion, although I think most everyone agrees here that there needs to be some definite changes made, stricter guidelines/controls/oversight on those aspects, yet at the same time, if this new rule (as was outlined by theaprof) is going into affect, again, that is absolutely absurd if no providsions for legit extenuating circumstances are in place.     

[formerd3db]

IMO, Garcon would be making a huge mistake.  There is no problem with looking into one's options, especially if he is a free-agent, however, "the grass is not always greener on the other side".  Unless there have been some developments where there are some problems between him, the coaching staff, administration such that he is unhappy there, again, IMO, it would not be that wise to make a change (unless someone is offering him a tremendous amount of $ more than he makes now, but...how much is not enough?  I know of situations where some players (a DIII alum in particular), who made that decision because he though he could better himself and it backfired on him big-time.  Garcon has done well, proved his ability in being a true NFL player through hard work, determination (his natural talent aside), and as far as we know, has been happy in Indianapolis.  On the other hand, with the recent changes by the owner, perhaps there are some inside happenings that pertain to Garcon and other players that we just don't know about at this time and are not privy to that are the cause for him considering a change or again, perhaps he is just looking around to scout out his options.  Regardless, I would hope that Garcon doesn't make an unwise and/or emotional decision.  Just some speculating thoughts here.

[section13raiderfan]

I wouldnt place blame of losing the Stagg Bowl on Zac Bruneys playcalling. I doubt there was any plays on the play chart that was not personally approved by LK himself. The loss was more of a case of a defensive coach exploiting the oppositions weaknesses.  We were not exactly in attack mode until we had to be. Playcalling was "safe" in the first half. They won the line of scrimmage and produced greater results. We were pretty effective at doing the same thing to them defensively, but offensively we were more erratic than they were. Pressure does that to every QB. Theirs made less mistakes over the course of the game. The best blocking and tackling team won. The skill players opportunities were determined by the results of line play IMHO. Does anyone think we won the line battle in any of the last 3 Stagg Bowls? I dont.

Why would Pierre sign with the Browns? That receiving corps is second team or practice squad in any other market. What would it prove to lead that team in receptions? 3 catches a game would do that.

[purple]

Aprof...I cannot get over your comment about Neal Seaman,publishing the remark you perhaps heard from "teammates". Just what were you thinking when you published that remark?  If someone published something like that about one of my teammates,,I would go looking for him.  If I was the Head Coach and someone published a remark like that about one of my players,I would go looking for him.  Neal's dad must be much more of a gentleman than I am because if someone published a remark like that about my son?  Real trouble.  Don't try that dodge you are just the messenger,no your not;you published it. Poor judgement and a cheap shot,which is perhaps being too kind.

[Raider 68]

IMO, Garcon would be making a huge mistake.  There is no problem with looking into one's options, especially if he is a free-agent, however, "the grass is not always greener on the other side".  Unless there have been some developments where there are some problems between him, the coaching staff, administration such that he is unhappy there, again, IMO, it would not be that wise to make a change (unless someone is offering him a tremendous amount of $ more than he makes now, but...how much is not enough?  I know of situations where some players (a DIII alum in particular), who made that decision because he though he could better himself and it backfired on him big-time.  Garcon has done well, proved his ability in being a true NFL player through hard work, determination (his natural talent aside), and as far as we know, has been happy in Indianapolis.  On the other hand, with the recent changes by the owner, perhaps there are some inside happenings that pertain to Garcon and other players that we just don't know about at this time and are not privy to that are the cause for him considering a change or again, perhaps he is just looking around to scout out his options.  Regardless, I would hope that Garcon doesn't make an unwise and/or emotional decision.  Just some speculating thoughts here.

formerd3db,

You are correct in that there may be several issues within the Colts that would cause him to at least look at a few other teams if there is an interest. On the flip side, however, the Colts QB will be either Peyton or Luck, in either case still a good scenario. I for one, believe is staying with one team if possible, so I hope whomever advises him has some common sense. IMHO, the relationship with the Colts has been a good one for Pierre!

[pradierguy]

I would be surprised if Pierre left Indy, as Reggie Wayne ages out, Pierre is a solid #1 for them. I guess I could see him looking at MIA, as they could use a WR and its close to home!

[raiderpa]

knowing that he will look probably increases his value and if someone offers a huge contract, perhaps the colts will match an offer that originally they would not have made.