FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

2012 Division III playoffs feature four previous Stagg Bowl Champs

Mount Union
Wittenberg
Widener
Heidelberg

I know the Berg won the Stagg back when it was a regional game but still.  It is technically a fact though.

I think you missed Linfield (2004) facing Pacific Lutheran (1999)... unless they don't count because they're on the west coast

[bushman]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game. 

[Bartman]

Do not get too overconfident about getting a "great draw" and playing Hobart. Check out Playoff results from last year against Wesley with Hobart second string QB . Although a close loss, this Hobart team is even better than last year's.

I'm not saying Hobart isn't good.  They've won playoff games which is more than Berg can say today.  But assuming Berg is a 3 seed I don't see a 2 seed I'd rather play in round 2?  Maybe Salisbury due to them being one dimensional?  I don't know, I just think Hobart is more beatable than UWO or Wesley.     

You are probably right in your technical assessment. But, if Hobart plays Heidelberg, it will be crazy for my brother and me, as we are probably the only brothers who can say we played for these teams. I made fun of him as a "Student Prince" and then he was unimpressed with the Statesmen label. The two teams this year are a lot meaner than their names imply. These are 2 excellent defensive teams with offenses that can score. I hope it comes about, as Hobart has some players who have been waiting to step up in the Playoffs....Coleman and Worthington( 44.5 TFL and 24 Sacks combined) with a tough overall Defense and Strang (or Olney) at QB passing to Woodard and Yarbowniczak with Webb and Dougherty running hard behind a strong O line. This is a well balanced team that may surprise some people futher West, if they play to their abilities. Oh and by the way we beat St. John Fisher last year by more than  St. Thomas did, for whatever that may mean.

[mtfan]

NCAA never falls short of being amazing stacking #1 and #2 on the same side with a potential to play a semi-final match up rather than meeting in the Stagg Bowl. Hey Pat, what's the reasoning for two AQ's in the NEFC? Maybe they should make someone come out of that NESCAC and play the rest us,  i know they're in a league all their own.

[mtfan]

Eh....."stuff" happened a while ago.  LK is no fan of Scafe.  That said...it's probably a little less harsh, but then again JCU has pretty much sucked for a while. 

Now that Jr. has ended his season [b](with a very hard fought, tough loss to McKinley)[/b], Skunk & I will definitely be there for the play-off run, and what that will bring. 

So with UWW gone, it means Linfield/UMHB/UST might come into the picture.  I say.....NICE!  There is some revenge/coulda-woulda/might have been factors going on.

See some of you around the old ball yard.

That was an awesome game, reminded me of a Hagler/Hearns battle!! HOpe to see ya again soon,I see wings and beers in the near future!

Good to hear from you, mtfan.  Hope all is well.

hanging in there, hope you're doing well too! you going to make some playoff games this way even if Thomas More isn't? 

[pg04]

Do not get too overconfident about getting a "great draw" and playing Hobart. Check out Playoff results from last year against Wesley with Hobart second string QB . Although a close loss, this Hobart team is even better than last year's.

I'm not saying Hobart isn't good.  They've won playoff games which is more than Berg can say today.  But assuming Berg is a 3 seed I don't see a 2 seed I'd rather play in round 2?  Maybe Salisbury due to them being one dimensional?  I don't know, I just think Hobart is more beatable than UWO or Wesley.     

I think it's kind of a mystery, because the teams don't play across regions too often. One recent result (from last year) shows that Hobart could stick with teams, losing only by 3 at Wesley. And that was in the first round. Who really knows, right? The 2nd place OAC team generally does well so it should be interesting. It may not really matter if they lose to Wittenberg.

[@d3jason]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game.

They list Bailey at 5-11, but having stood next to him in a couple interviews I think that is very generous. He's a hell of a player though. Has the ability to make something out of nothing when a play breaks down. You need that to beat at a team like Mount.

[D O.C.]

UMU bracket with teams totaling12 season losses?
Everybody get everybody healthy and let's roll the dice.

[SaintsFAN]

hanging in there, hope you're doing well too! you going to make some playoff games this way even if Thomas More isn't? 

Thats the plan.  Been pretty busy with getting married last month and lots of travel for work, so I haven't seen alot of football this year.  I'm talking to a couple of buddies about coming up to see Mount.  I will definitely let you know.  BTW -- TMC had their playoff game this past Saturday.  Its too bad they didn't put up 100 on those fools. 

[umhb2001]

NCAA never falls short of being amazing stacking #1 and #2 on the same side with a potential to play a semi-final match up rather than meeting in the Stagg Bowl. Hey Pat, what's the reasoning for two AQ's in the NEFC? Maybe they should make someone come out of that NESCAC and play the rest us,  i know they're in a league all their own.

Ridiculous! Never did that with y'all and UWW! Who knows what they were thinking.

[umhb2001]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game.

I will tell you that your assessment of our team is pretty good. Bailey has really come into his own this year. His passing efficiency is tops in the nation, I believe, and his maturity has grown. He has shown great patience in the pocket, at times holding it too much instead of running with it. This hasn't happened often, just a handful of times as I've seen it. Our D is fast, and they close on the ball well. Playing against teams here in the ASC that love to spread the ball on offense, we did give up yards, but they were chucking it a lot too. When you are only gaining a few yards on the ground, you're going to give up some in the air due to the number of times they've thrown. A lot of that was on 2nd and 3rd team D. When it came down to it, we made the stops we needed against quality passing teams.

It looks interesting although unfortunate that we are on the same side of the bracket. I think the NCAA should be embarrassed over that. Never has number one and two been on the same side of a bracket. It is insane. It shows that they really don't look to fairness when scheduling these games.

[PurpleSuit]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game.

I will tell you that your assessment of our team is pretty good. Bailey has really come into his own this year. His passing efficiency is tops in the nation, I believe, and his maturity has grown. He has shown great patience in the pocket, at times holding it too much instead of running with it. This hasn't happened often, just a handful of times as I've seen it. Our D is fast, and they close on the ball well. Playing against teams here in the ASC that love to spread the ball on offense, we did give up yards, but they were chucking it a lot too. When you are only gaining a few yards on the ground, you're going to give up some in the air due to the number of times they've thrown. A lot of that was on 2nd and 3rd team D. When it came down to it, we made the stops we needed against quality passing teams.

It looks interesting although unfortunate that we are on the same side of the bracket. I think the NCAA should be embarrassed over that. Never has number one and two been on the same side of a bracket. It is insane. It shows that they really don't look to fairness when scheduling these games.

Kevin Burke would disagree

and #1 and #2 are not on the same side of the bracket.  Linfield is the #1 overall and Mount is the #2 overall seed

[umhb2001]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game.

I will tell you that your assessment of our team is pretty good. Bailey has really come into his own this year. His passing efficiency is tops in the nation, I believe, and his maturity has grown. He has shown great patience in the pocket, at times holding it too much instead of running with it. This hasn't happened often, just a handful of times as I've seen it. Our D is fast, and they close on the ball well. Playing against teams here in the ASC that love to spread the ball on offense, we did give up yards, but they were chucking it a lot too. When you are only gaining a few yards on the ground, you're going to give up some in the air due to the number of times they've thrown. A lot of that was on 2nd and 3rd team D. When it came down to it, we made the stops we needed against quality passing teams.

It looks interesting although unfortunate that we are on the same side of the bracket. I think the NCAA should be embarrassed over that. Never has number one and two been on the same side of a bracket. It is insane. It shows that they really don't look to fairness when scheduling these games.

Kevin Burke would disagree

and #1 and #2 are not on the same side of the bracket.  Linfield is the #1 overall and Mount is the #2 overall seed

The rankings we all look at are the d3.com rankings, and UMU and UMHB have been 1-2 for most of the season.

Perhaps Burke is the best in efficiency up there, could be, I'm not sure, but Bailey has been the best in the ASC.

[formerd3db]

hanging in there, hope you're doing well too! you going to make some playoff games this way even if Thomas More isn't? 

Thats the plan.  Been pretty busy with getting married last month and lots of travel for work, so I haven't seen alot of football this year.  I'm talking to a couple of buddies about coming up to see Mount.  I will definitely let you know.  BTW -- TMC had their playoff game this past Saturday.  Its too bad they didn't put up 100 on those fools.

SaintsFAN:

You had better be careful or you will get Sayer mad at you!

[umhb2001]

I have seen umhb play against Hs and they have no weakness that I could see on the computer screen.  They are well coached and have good skill players on both sides of the ball.  Did i mention they looked hugh esp. on both lines.  Excellent linebackers as well.  From what I could see, Mt. has better over all speed and UMHB looked some what mediocre on pass defense.  However, HS passed alot.   This would be a close a game and probably turn overs would decide the outcome.  They pound the ball on offense and Mt's defense would be tested as never before.  Perhaps never having beaten UMHB would motivate the raiders.  Of course we have to get their first with no injuries to key players. Since Mt. seems to play better on the road, maybe a trip to Texas would be to our benefit.  But I agree with Pat, UMHB would probably come to Mt.  UMHB QB  was tall, fast, a good passer and he can run.  Reminded me of a taller version of Burke.  If we meet these guys, this could be the Stagg bowl game.

I will tell you that your assessment of our team is pretty good. Bailey has really come into his own this year. His passing efficiency is tops in the nation, I believe, and his maturity has grown. He has shown great patience in the pocket, at times holding it too much instead of running with it. This hasn't happened often, just a handful of times as I've seen it. Our D is fast, and they close on the ball well. Playing against teams here in the ASC that love to spread the ball on offense, we did give up yards, but they were chucking it a lot too. When you are only gaining a few yards on the ground, you're going to give up some in the air due to the number of times they've thrown. A lot of that was on 2nd and 3rd team D. When it came down to it, we made the stops we needed against quality passing teams.

It looks interesting although unfortunate that we are on the same side of the bracket. I think the NCAA should be embarrassed over that. Never has number one and two been on the same side of a bracket. It is insane. It shows that they really don't look to fairness when scheduling these games.

Kevin Burke would disagree

and #1 and #2 are not on the same side of the bracket.  Linfield is the #1 overall and Mount is the #2 overall seed

Looks like they are 1-3.