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[bman]

Widener was way too one dimensional...they had no defense...they threw the ball 64 times and no holding penalties? Yeah, right!! And toward the end of the game a few of their fans were classless. Plus one of their fans actually had a shout out argument with Widener coaching/player personal. Crazy!!

Class and Widener have not really been associated this season.

just wanted to address this one as well, since it dissapoints me...
Clearly I am disappointed at some of our fans behavior...and it happened years ago as well, but there is no excuse for it....but to state that class and Widener have not been associated is a cheap shot....
To my knowledge, there have been no other incidents of this fan behavior at all, and if you are referencing the Wilkes game, you should understand that the backlash from the alumni, and fans, to the school administration was severe.  Coach Collins fully understands the impact that made on the school and his reputation, and has commented as such.   As alumni, we were embarrased by that, and commented freely about it on these boards, but to call the entire University and the program classless because of that situation is unfair....

[mtfan]

BTW ... Mount's 40 first downs ties the D3 record ... they are the 4th team to do that (coincidently enough, John Hopkins tied that same record earlier this year).

The NCAA record is 45.

thanks Mr_mom, was wondering how close that stat was.

[rscl70]

Widener is a good team.   Their secondary has done a nice job on Collins.   Their WR is a stud and their QB has some talent.  They're just not ready for the speed of Mount.  As it has happened so many times, Mount is making a good team look very average.

This was the team all the pundits said would give Mount a game.  This was the team that was supposed to put pressure on Burke.  This was the team that was going to give the Mount D a real test.

I agree with HScoach, Widener is a good football team.  What we saw today from Mount Union was another gear.  They took it to a new level today and sent a message.  I'm not sure that we have yet seen the best this Mount team is capable of.

[mtfan]

Widener was way too one dimensional...they had no defense...they threw the ball 64 times and no holding penalties? Yeah, right!! And toward the end of the game a few of their fans were classless. Plus one of their fans actually had a shout out argument with Widener coaching/player personal. Crazy!!

Class and Widener have not really been associated this season.

just wanted to address this one as well, since it dissapoints me...
Clearly I am disappointed at some of our fans behavior...and it happened years ago as well, but there is no excuse for it....but to state that class and Widener have not been associated is a cheap shot....
To my knowledge, there have been no other incidents of this fan behavior at all, and if you are referencing the Wilkes game, you should understand that the backlash from the alumni, and fans, to the school administration was severe.  Coach Collins fully understands the impact that made on the school and his reputation, and has commented as such.   As alumni, we were embarrased by that, and commented freely about it on these boards, but to call the entire University and the program classless because of that situation is unfair....

thanks bman, your perspective gives a little light to the Wilkes contest. i'm sure there must have been more to the game that what the box score can show. Likewise, anyone thinking that Mount was trying to run up the score today is sadly mistaken as well. Congrats to Widener on a great season, I'm sure we'll meet again in the playoffs as we have before!

[raiderpa]

I thought you all were kidding about the NCAC officials earlier this week! OMG, they are horrible...both ways....
Regarding the fans...Mount has a few spirited big mouthed guys who don't know how to win, and are at times, embarrassing to say the least.  Today, they got some feedback by some Weidner fans and the war of words was on...My question is, who is stupid enough to fight someone from Philly!!  The quote of the verbal melee from a Weidner fan to a Mount fan, "Aren't you winning by enough?"  Quite ironic..haha
Anyway from my view from the pressbox, it was a couple or three from both sides who should have kept mouths shut.  I talked to #47' s dad after the game and found him a nice gentleman. His kid played a very fine game and is a great competitor. 
I said in Game two in Sept. that fumbles on the part of Lattimore would doom Mount, or him...Today, it was him.  I hope Skilliter and Minnich continue to get the carries, at least they hold on to the football and I don't see Latttimore as any better than either one, in fact I like Skilliter the best.
I would hate to lose a semi final or Stagg because he can't take a hit and hold onto the ball.
MHB will be an incredibly tough opponent and I think Oshkosh is the sleeper (not any more) of the entire playoff.  I was hoping Linfield would win that one, as we have not had the pleasure of seeing the Cats, now we will have to go to Case next fall.
Did Denton get dinged up?  He sat a lot of the second half as did Tate. 

[Pat Coleman]

This was the team all the pundits said would give Mount a game.

Huh? Who are these pundits? Or do you consider 52-14 a game?

Pat's take: Mount Union 52, Widener 14: I don't see Widener being able to slow down the Mount Union offense, which Burke has been running at a high level all season. The Purple Raiders might not run well but they won't have to this week, I don't think. The Haupt-to-Davis connection should be good for a couple of scores but not enough on a consistent basis to beat a team such as Mount Union.

[SaintsFAN]

Best not saying anything about Widener,   UMHB a tough nut to crack,  Stagg bowl next week in A town.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.  To my ldeye, MHB is not the fundamentally sound team does well vs Mt.  Linfield, on the other hand, is very much fundamentally sound.   A couple weeks ago I too was a believer that MHB vs Mt was the Stagg, not so much any more.

I'm with Em17. watched the MHB / Wesley stream on my phone during the rout in A-town and listened to the Linfield/ Oshkosh game on the drive home. MHB did not impress, although they seemed to make the necessary defensive adjustments at halftime. Linfield, on the other hand, is sounding solid.

You can keep talking about UMHB, but I think you will be shocked at the strength and athleticism  of the players and the ability of our coaches!! But I'll take being the underdog anyday!! Makes it a lot more fun when you win!!

Gimme a break.. I don't think anyone on the UMU team or coaching staff seriously doubts MHB's potential to ruin Mount's 2012 campaign. The running game alone will have Mount's full attention.

Games aren't won or lost on a message board. With some more experience as a poster around here, you'll realize these Mount Union guys are a pretty good bunch who calls it like they see it.

[rscl70]

This was the team all the pundits said would give Mount a game.

Huh? Who are these pundits? Or do you consider 52-14 a game?

Pat's take: Mount Union 52, Widener 14: I don't see Widener being able to slow down the Mount Union offense, which Burke has been running at a high level all season. The Purple Raiders might not run well but they won't have to this week, I don't think. The Haupt-to-Davis connection should be good for a couple of scores but not enough on a consistent basis to beat a team such as Mount Union.

Well, maybe only one pundit....."Keith's take: Mount Union 35, Widener 21: Let me say this up front: Widener deserves to be here. Having seen them play, they're more than just a sacrificial lamb for the Purple Raiders. They will score some points and put some pressure on Burke. This is the best team Mount Union has played all season, and the 25-point margins of victory floating around on the message boards sell the Pride a bit short."

[pg04]

Widener was way too one dimensional...they had no defense...they threw the ball 64 times and no holding penalties? Yeah, right!! And toward the end of the game a few of their fans were classless. Plus one of their fans actually had a shout out argument with Widener coaching/player personal. Crazy!!

Class and Widener have not really been associated this season.

just wanted to address this one as well, since it dissapoints me...
Clearly I am disappointed at some of our fans behavior...and it happened years ago as well, but there is no excuse for it....but to state that class and Widener have not been associated is a cheap shot....
To my knowledge, there have been no other incidents of this fan behavior at all, and if you are referencing the Wilkes game, you should understand that the backlash from the alumni, and fans, to the school administration was severe.  Coach Collins fully understands the impact that made on the school and his reputation, and has commented as such.   As alumni, we were embarrased by that, and commented freely about it on these boards, but to call the entire University and the program classless because of that situation is unfair....

My statement was a little terse and definitely didn't mean that as sweeping as it reads. More appropriately, I probably should have written "there has been some question about the Class of Widener previously in the season."

[HScoach]

This was the team all the pundits said would give Mount a game.

Huh? Who are these pundits? Or do you consider 52-14 a game?

Pat's take: Mount Union 52, Widener 14: I don't see Widener being able to slow down the Mount Union offense, which Burke has been running at a high level all season. The Purple Raiders might not run well but they won't have to this week, I don't think. The Haupt-to-Davis connection should be good for a couple of scores but not enough on a consistent basis to beat a team such as Mount Union.

Well, maybe only one pundit....."Keith's take: Mount Union 35, Widener 21: Let me say this up front: Widener deserves to be here. Having seen them play, they're more than just a sacrificial lamb for the Purple Raiders. They will score some points and put some pressure on Burke. This is the best team Mount Union has played all season, and the 25-point margins of victory floating around on the message boards sell the Pride a bit short."

Well, that one pundit thinks he knows way more about Mount than he actually does from watching a few games on STO.  I understand that D3.com, and the nation as a whole, is really sick of Mount being Mount, but his apparent agenda of looking for issues/shortcomings within this team is clouding his judgement.

Anyone that compares Kevin Burke to Zac Bruney hasn't been watching very closely or is trying to talk himself into something that isn't there.  The accuracy of that comparison ends with both being white, short guys that played QB for Mount.  The more accurate comparison would be Bill Borchert.  Yes, THAT Bill Borchert.

I'm not crazy enough to think that this Mount team is unbeatable, but it's good.  Even by Mount standards.  The only team in 20 years that I thought was untouchable was 1997, but even that team needed a late INT against Allegheny to survive a playoff game.  Whether this team plays well enough to beat MHB will be determined in a week, but this much I know, it's going to take either a complete collapse by Mount or a really good opponent to knock them out.

And in terms of Widener being the best team Mount has seen?  At least in regards to what we saw today, Heidelberg and Baldwin Wallace both have much, MUCH better defenses.  And John Carroll has a better QB and a better overall passing game.  And all three played Mount tougher.  And you can add Franklin to that list too. 

I'll give Widener credit that Anthony Davis is a stud WR, and their secondary was good, much better than I expected, but that's where it ended.  Mount was better at every other position, including QB.

[Pat Coleman]

This was the team all the pundits said would give Mount a game.

Huh? Who are these pundits? Or do you consider 52-14 a game?

Pat's take: Mount Union 52, Widener 14: I don't see Widener being able to slow down the Mount Union offense, which Burke has been running at a high level all season. The Purple Raiders might not run well but they won't have to this week, I don't think. The Haupt-to-Davis connection should be good for a couple of scores but not enough on a consistent basis to beat a team such as Mount Union.

Well, maybe only one pundit....."Keith's take: Mount Union 35, Widener 21: Let me say this up front: Widener deserves to be here. Having seen them play, they're more than just a sacrificial lamb for the Purple Raiders. They will score some points and put some pressure on Burke. This is the best team Mount Union has played all season, and the 25-point margins of victory floating around on the message boards sell the Pride a bit short."

Well, that one pundit thinks he knows way more about Mount than he actually does from watching a few games on STO.  I understand that D3.com, and the nation as a whole, is really sick of Mount being Mount, but his apparent agenda of looking for issues/shortcomings within this team is clouding his judgement.

Anyone that compares Kevin Burke to Zac Bruney hasn't been watching very closely or is trying to talk himself into something that isn't there.  The accuracy of that comparison ends with both being white, short guys that played QB for Mount.  The more accurate comparison would be Bill Borchert.  Yes, THAT Bill Borchert.

I'm not crazy enough to think that this Mount team is unbeatable, but it's good.  Even by Mount standards.  The only team in 20 years that I thought was untouchable was 1997, but even that team needed a late INT against Allegheny to survive a playoff game.  Whether this team plays well enough to beat MHB will be determined in a week, but this much I know, it's going to take either a complete collapse by Mount or a really good opponent to knock them out.

And in terms of Widener being the best team Mount has seen?  At least in regards to what we saw today, Heidelberg and Baldwin Wallace both have much, MUCH better defenses.  And John Carroll has a better QB and a better overall passing game.  And all three played Mount tougher.  And you can add Franklin to that list too. 

I'll give Widener credit that Anthony Davis is a stud WR, and their secondary was good, much better than I expected, but that's where it ended.  Mount was better at every other position, including QB.

I've never known Keith to have an agenda like that. Keith can come here and explain what he was thinking, but I'm sure it's not that he has some agenda against Mount Union. Besides, Keith knows that him saying it doesn't actually make it so.

[HURFMUC]

hscoach--glad to see you could see the game today. I thought you just listened to ric's radio broadcasts

[HURFMUC]

SaintsFan--you going to be able to lose the ball and chain to meet up friday night?

[skunks_sidekick]

Pat....over the now many years Keith has dialed down his rhetoric, but yah...somewhere down there he does still have a negative agenda against Mount.  He can't help it.  It's not mean......it's not obvious (anymore)......and it's not blunt.  But...on occasion..it's there.  It may just be that he is trying to be so fair or so balanced that he leans the other way by instinct. 

After getting to know Keith ("know" meaning chatting with him for a few minutes at a few Stagg Bowls), I really don't think he has an intentional agenda.  But,  I think subtly it comes out at times.  Again...maybe more trying to be fair to the extreme.

Yah Keith....we are talking about YOU.   

And if you decide to come to town next weekend, please come to our get together Friday night. 

[skunks_sidekick]

SF......you are IN...right?