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[Craft_Beermeister]

Pierre Garcon was the only Redskin doing a ton of trash talking at the game.  London Fletcher appeared to be arguing with Browns players and fans most of the day.  Fletcher bought a lot of tickets for his friends and family and they had multiple confrontations with other fans during the game.   From the reports I saw the security gave Fletcher's family and friends a pass on their inappropriate behavior until at the end of the game some of them got in a confrontation with police and security resulting tasering and arresting of three from the Fletcher group.

[Craft_Beermeister]

Off-subject ... there was RUMINT in Washington today that Fletcher's relatives were arrested at Cleveland Stadium yesterday.

Anyone have any details?

The following posted on the Orange and Brown board earlier today in regards to the incident.

I was one section over.  First off, Redskin fans are ******* obnoxious and I have a new found dislike for them.  Secondly, there is no way these fools are going to make anyone believe they were innocently taunted and then attacked.  They were being obnoxious Redskin fans and causing a scene, I heard them.  The fight started in the stands and then moved to the concourse and the police had a helluva time putting and end to it.  It was full on gangster stuff going on.  Just crazy.  Screw these people trying to spin Browns fans in a negative light.

To add- trust me, tasers were necessary.  The cops were losing control of an ugly situation.  My wife was very frightened, genuinely.  It was a VERY ugly scene and I have not a shred of doubt that the entire group of them brought it all on themselves.

[tommiegun]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.   

[mr_mom]

Thanks, CBM ... sad to hear.  Jesus, tasers?

I know Washington fans are rude; as much as my son loves the Redskins he doesn't want to go to another game because he's afraid of the drunk, foul-mouthed b***ards.  One-o'clock games are bad; 4-o'clock, they've had three more hours to get loaded.

But I would have hoped for better from Fletcher's family and friends.  After all, they're NE Ohio.  I hope the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Oh, come on!  Surely you can understand the difference between the game you were in and the Stagg?  If down ONE score, sure, play to the final whistle - especially in the weather you describe, a fumble, even in victory formation, is possible.  But attacking the victory formation when down THREE scores with less than a minute - give me a break!  Complete and utter lack of class.

[SaintsFAN]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Oh, come on!  Surely you can understand the difference between the game you were in and the Stagg?  If down ONE score, sure, play to the final whistle - especially in the weather you describe, a fumble, even in victory formation, is possible.  But attacking the victory formation when down THREE scores with less than a minute - give me a break!  Complete and utter lack of class.

EXACTLY - I played football for 15 years and think I have a very good grasp of the rules of the game. I know of ZERO ways to score 3 TDs at once. With Caruso and UST calling off the dogs and punting late, this action at the end against a victory formation was borderline classless, and fans on this page debating this is NOT classless, as was said earlier.

If you don't like what the Mount fans have been saying, you can choose to not read this page.

[Desertraider]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Strange strategy? That's one way to look at it. It was classless. No one is offended that Caruso wanted to chat LK up after the game - but after the last minute of the game? C'mon. What's LK supposed to say "gee your boys are fiery and emotional"? Look the tommies called "no mas" with the punt. They called "no mas" again by not calling time outs when Mount started the drive. They waited until victory formation with 50seconds to play. They were not trying to win the game at that point - and no one buys caruso's "prolonging the moment so as not to deny them a second of football" crap either. The last 50 seconds showed me what a putz caruso is. Either he can't control his team (i.e. they acted alone) or he was directing it. Since he could have pulled the jackwagons after the first timeout if he couldn't control them - I lean to he was directing it. And don't give me the crap about "is he supposed to pull a starter..." because the answer is YES. We have seen LK pull people for less, and other coaches as well. If it was me and not LK on the sidelines - I would have popped him in mouth at midfield for being an A$$ (I am actually suprised VK didn't since VK is the more emotional of the 2). What really ticked me off was caruso yelling at Driskill. If the tommies can "play to the end" then so can Mount - what did he want a free score for showing up? The guy is an a$$ and the respect I gained for the tommies from a great showing was lost and forgotten in the last 50 seconds. I now place them somewhere between BW (the flaming pile) and Hiram - the most pathetic football program ever created. 

[AO]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Strange strategy? That's one way to look at it. It was classless. No one is offended that Caruso wanted to chat LK up after the game - but after the last minute of the game? C'mon. What's LK supposed to say "gee your boys are fiery and emotional"? Look the tommies called "no mas" with the punt. They called "no mas" again by not calling time outs when Mount started the drive. They waited until victory formation with 50seconds to play. They were not trying to win the game at that point - and no one buys caruso's "prolonging the moment so as not to deny them a second of football" crap either. The last 50 seconds showed me what a putz caruso is. Either he can't control his team (i.e. they acted alone) or he was directing it. Since he could have pulled the jackwagons after the first timeout if he couldn't control them - I lean to he was directing it. And don't give me the crap about "is he supposed to pull a starter..." because the answer is YES. We have seen LK pull people for less, and other coaches as well. If it was me and not LK on the sidelines - I would have popped him in mouth at midfield for being an A$$ (I am actually suprised VK didn't since VK is the more emotional of the 2). What really ticked me off was caruso yelling at Driskill. If the tommies can "play to the end" then so can Mount - what did he want a free score for showing up? The guy is an a$$ and the respect I gained for the tommies from a great showing was lost and forgotten in the last 50 seconds. I now place them somewhere between BW (the flaming pile) and Hiram - the most pathetic football program ever created.

are all Mount fans like this??

I suggest everyone re-watch the last minute of the game.  It was not a "victory formation situation" as St. Thomas had all 3 timeouts left and Mount clearly recognized this as they gave the ball to Simon on 3rd down.  On 1st and 2nd down, Mount was equally chippy pushing players around during the play and a bit after the whistle.  After St. Thomas gets the ball back, each play ends with a hard hit (2 by Driskill) and taunting.  The conversation between Caruso and Kehres lasts less than 10 seconds.   

[Desertraider]

  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And don't compare this to Mount and UWW. Apples and oranges my friend.
2011  UWW 13 UMU 10
2010  UWW 31 UMU 21
2009  UWW 38 UMU 28
2008  UMU  31 UWW 26
2007  UWW 31 UMU 21
2006  UMU  35 UWW 16
2005  UMU  35 UWW 28

With the exception of 2006 - we are talking about a range of 3 to 10 points. Sure - get the turnover and score, do an onside... It is different with 3 scores and 50 seconds. Mount and UWW didn't have an understanding - they respect each others programs and sometimes look at the board and say "boys, tomorrows another day". There is no dishonor in losing if you have given everything you have in the process - maybe caruso will learn that.

[Desertraider]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Strange strategy? That's one way to look at it. It was classless. No one is offended that Caruso wanted to chat LK up after the game - but after the last minute of the game? C'mon. What's LK supposed to say "gee your boys are fiery and emotional"? Look the tommies called "no mas" with the punt. They called "no mas" again by not calling time outs when Mount started the drive. They waited until victory formation with 50seconds to play. They were not trying to win the game at that point - and no one buys caruso's "prolonging the moment so as not to deny them a second of football" crap either. The last 50 seconds showed me what a putz caruso is. Either he can't control his team (i.e. they acted alone) or he was directing it. Since he could have pulled the jackwagons after the first timeout if he couldn't control them - I lean to he was directing it. And don't give me the crap about "is he supposed to pull a starter..." because the answer is YES. We have seen LK pull people for less, and other coaches as well. If it was me and not LK on the sidelines - I would have popped him in mouth at midfield for being an A$$ (I am actually suprised VK didn't since VK is the more emotional of the 2). What really ticked me off was caruso yelling at Driskill. If the tommies can "play to the end" then so can Mount - what did he want a free score for showing up? The guy is an a$$ and the respect I gained for the tommies from a great showing was lost and forgotten in the last 50 seconds. I now place them somewhere between BW (the flaming pile) and Hiram - the most pathetic football program ever created.

are all Mount fans like this??

I suggest everyone re-watch the last minute of the game.  It was not a "victory formation situation" as St. Thomas had all 3 timeouts left and Mount clearly recognized this as they gave the ball to Simon on 3rd down.  On 1st and 2nd down, Mount was equally chippy pushing players around during the play and a bit after the whistle.  After St. Thomas gets the ball back, each play ends with a hard hit (2 by Driskill) and taunting.  The conversation between Caruso and Kehres lasts less than 10 seconds.

I would smite you as you have smited me - but whats the point? The issue is that by punting on 4th down the "never quit" caruso - quit. Watch the replay - even the announcers say the tommies are conceding defeat. Mount ran three plays and tommies never take a timeout. Mount goes to victory with less than a minute AND THEN caruso decides it aint over? Bullshizzie! The dive into the formation leads to the "chippy" reaction both times. Did Driskill hit - hard - on last 2 plays? Damn right - after the tommies stunt who could blame him, you play to the whistle right? But no caruso decides to get chippy. The guy is an a$$clown. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[AO]

I agree that the end of game strategy was strange... in fact, as a Tommie fan who had to run to his wife's-work Christmas party, I turned it off after the punt.

But honestly, is it that big of deal that the individual players tried to play to the end in what might be the only national championship game they ever play in?  I remember my last game of high school football we put a corner in at nose-tackle to try to force a fumbled snap as time dwindled (in a 13-7 upset in the snow - 14 fumbles, 8 lost - not great triple option weather... grrr.).  I don't see any problem with the defense doing what it is supposed to.  Maybe Mount and Whitewater had come to some understanding that it was over before it was over in the f****** national championship game, but it seems ridiculous to me.  Play until the whistle.

And I also don't understand why anyone is upset that "Caruso wanted to talk" to Coach Kehres.  What the heck is wrong with wanting to say something to a legend on another championship?  Caruso's a fiery, emotional guy and I'd hate to play for him because that just isn't what gets me going, but sheesh, folks sure to take offense easily in Alliance.

Strange strategy? That's one way to look at it. It was classless. No one is offended that Caruso wanted to chat LK up after the game - but after the last minute of the game? C'mon. What's LK supposed to say "gee your boys are fiery and emotional"? Look the tommies called "no mas" with the punt. They called "no mas" again by not calling time outs when Mount started the drive. They waited until victory formation with 50seconds to play. They were not trying to win the game at that point - and no one buys caruso's "prolonging the moment so as not to deny them a second of football" crap either. The last 50 seconds showed me what a putz caruso is. Either he can't control his team (i.e. they acted alone) or he was directing it. Since he could have pulled the jackwagons after the first timeout if he couldn't control them - I lean to he was directing it. And don't give me the crap about "is he supposed to pull a starter..." because the answer is YES. We have seen LK pull people for less, and other coaches as well. If it was me and not LK on the sidelines - I would have popped him in mouth at midfield for being an A$$ (I am actually suprised VK didn't since VK is the more emotional of the 2). What really ticked me off was caruso yelling at Driskill. If the tommies can "play to the end" then so can Mount - what did he want a free score for showing up? The guy is an a$$ and the respect I gained for the tommies from a great showing was lost and forgotten in the last 50 seconds. I now place them somewhere between BW (the flaming pile) and Hiram - the most pathetic football program ever created.

are all Mount fans like this??

I suggest everyone re-watch the last minute of the game.  It was not a "victory formation situation" as St. Thomas had all 3 timeouts left and Mount clearly recognized this as they gave the ball to Simon on 3rd down.  On 1st and 2nd down, Mount was equally chippy pushing players around during the play and a bit after the whistle.  After St. Thomas gets the ball back, each play ends with a hard hit (2 by Driskill) and taunting.  The conversation between Caruso and Kehres lasts less than 10 seconds.

I would smite you as you have smited me - but whats the point? The issue is that by punting on 4th down the "never quit" caruso - quit. Watch the replay - even the announcers say the tommies are conceding defeat. Mount ran three plays and tommies never take a timeout. Mount goes to victory with less than a minute AND THEN caruso decides it aint over? Bullshizzie! The dive into the formation leads to the "chippy" reaction both times. Did Driskill hit - hard - on last 2 plays? Damn right - after the tommies stunt who could blame him, you play to the whistle right? But no caruso decides to get chippy. The guy is an a$$clown. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Punting on 4th down doesn't mean you quit.  It was 4th and 18.  With all 3 timeouts, you can give yourself much better field position than a 4th down attempt, and at less risk.  In fact their field position did improve from the 36 to the 44.  Thank goodness the Mount coaches/players aren't as ignorant as you and limited themselves to taunting rather than starting a fight as you would have. 

[Dr. Acula]

Punting on 4th down doesn't mean you quit.  It was 4th and 18.  With all 3 timeouts, you can give yourself much better field position than a 4th down attempt, and at less risk.  In fact their field position did improve from the 36 to the 44.  Thank goodness the Mount coaches/players aren't as ignorant as you and limited themselves to taunting rather than starting a fight as you would have.

Down 3 scores with 2 minutes to go I know field position would be my primary concern...

[Pat Coleman]

I find it interesting that the UMAC fan is the one defending Caruso here.

I know Caruso's belief is that they should never quit, and it had been a long time since I had been at a game St. Thomas lost, but I think a knee would have been wise. I could see the one timeout to bring his team over and have them recognize the moment ... but that's enough.

[AO]

I find it interesting that the UMAC fan is the one defending Caruso here.

I know Caruso's belief is that they should never quit, and it had been a long time since I had been at a game St. Thomas lost, but I think a knee would have been wise. I could see the one timeout to bring his team over and have them recognize the moment ... but that's enough.

Who takes a knee when they're losing?  Are you suggesting Mount should have taken a knee on 3rd and 4th down with less than a minute to go?  Perhaps they were more concerned with winning by 3 scores, which is why they punted?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I find it interesting that the UMAC fan is the one defending Caruso here.

I know Caruso's belief is that they should never quit, and it had been a long time since I had been at a game St. Thomas lost, but I think a knee would have been wise. I could see the one timeout to bring his team over and have them recognize the moment ... but that's enough.

Who takes a knee when they're losing?  Are you suggesting Mount should have taken a knee on 3rd and 4th down with less than a minute to go?  Perhaps they were more concerned with winning by 3 scores, which is why they punted?

Mount already took a knee - twice - with less than a minute to go.

As two outsiders (UMAC for you, CCIW for me), I find it curious that you are defending the indefensible.  (I also feel strange defending the Mount! )  Attacking a 'victory formation', down three scores with under a minute to go, is utterly indefensible.  As has been noted, calling the first time out seemed like Caruso was calling them over to 'concede with grace' and forget the attack.  To me, to attack a second time (and call another time out), was utterly despicable (and was clearly on Caruso, not his players).

I have tremendous admiration for Caruso for what he has accomplished, but this was a HUGE blot on him.  As someone else said, hopefully he will learn 'integrity' from this.