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[Raider 68]

It would be interesting to know some examples the size of incoming O and D lineman coming in and what they add (weight) in the next few years with the weight training programs that all schools have including Mount Union.

[TailGate]

Do a google search and type HUDL followed by the players name - you can see video on most of the guys posted.   Some of these guys were at Mount's summer camps and are pretty tough - the weight training and conditioning program will make them beast.  Although not 6-4, there are some very skilled players in this bunch.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Uh Oh:

http://ehcwhitetopper.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/ehcunderncaainvestigation/

[formerd3db]

Uh Oh:

http://ehcwhitetopper.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/ehcunderncaainvestigation/

After reading the article, it seems to me that the kid himself is just as responsible if all that was reported is true.  He knew what the rules were i.e. FCS Appalachian State versus a DIII school.  I don't buy that he didn't, the kids know.  He has a legit point for only the credits if he was promised or told that all of those would transfer,  however, no excuse for the scholarship promised whether it was offered or not-it appears he is mad because he is now on the hook for that.  If it was awarded from an academic standpoint, then that is a different story.  However, that is not what the article indicates, although obviously the entire truth is not yet revealed as yet because of the on-going investigation.

The other aspect then is...if those trustees, school officials and/or coaches were involved in the inappropriate offering of such a scholarship, will they be held accountable (and/or can they be, since some are apparently no longer associated with the college) aside from any sanctions the college would be slapped with?  It is an unfortunate situation. 

[emma17]

With the deportation of Seventies and very few over-the-top posters anymore, PS really stands alone.  The only reason most UW-W posters don't respond more, let us say, vehemently, to his anti-everything UW-W posts is out of respect for the Mount Union football program and the other posters who pretty much all seem like decent and good folks.

Unfortunately, if Mount loses tomorrow and to UW-W wins, he will either:

1. Disappear for awhile.
2. Talk about how 11 is greater than 4.
3. Talk about 2012.
4. Or find other, more creative ways to dis UW-W.

Personally, I hope it's number 4. The first 3 are getting a bit old.

You should have went with #1 bleed.

Glad to have you back after a two month (post Stagg Bowl) hiatus, PS. 

sorry for the hiatus during the offseason/non-recruit time.  I didnt see much reason to check back in with my favorite D3 cheeseheads.  Mount got embarrassed, it was bound to happen with the worst defense I have ever seen at Mount. 

The "hiatus" had very little to do with Mount's lackluster performance.  The job picks up and the other 37 weeks of the year projects make d3boards a lower priority.

But 11 is still more than 4 and losing to Buff State/not making playoffs with a national championship team is still worse than biffing the national title game.  I congratulate UWW on 2013, but both programs have been embarrassed recently.  We shall see if Mount can bounce back like UWW, despite our tuition and standards.

Good luck Warhawks

PS,
I normally try to find some nugget I can support you on, but not this time.
Your absence from the board immediately after the Stagg was chicken^#^* for a guy that likes to talk smack. You should have manned up and you'd have retained some credibility.
UWW w so many changes on offense losing to a decent Buff St by 1 point w 3 seconds left is nowhere near as embarrassing as what happened to Mt Union on national tv in the biggest game of the year. And it wasn't just the Mt D that got beat. The Kevin Burke will never lose offense got soundly beat too.
Lastly, Regarding tuition and standards - I'm sure all of Mt's Florida recruits are of the highest academic standing and all all fully paying that private pay tuition.

[Dr. Acula]

Wilm WR Jeremy Duncan sets the OAC record in the 200 today at the indoor track championships. Dude can move evidently.

[PurpleSuit]

With the deportation of Seventies and very few over-the-top posters anymore, PS really stands alone.  The only reason most UW-W posters don't respond more, let us say, vehemently, to his anti-everything UW-W posts is out of respect for the Mount Union football program and the other posters who pretty much all seem like decent and good folks.

Unfortunately, if Mount loses tomorrow and to UW-W wins, he will either:

1. Disappear for awhile.
2. Talk about how 11 is greater than 4.
3. Talk about 2012.
4. Or find other, more creative ways to dis UW-W.

Personally, I hope it's number 4. The first 3 are getting a bit old.

You should have went with #1 bleed.

Glad to have you back after a two month (post Stagg Bowl) hiatus, PS. 

sorry for the hiatus during the offseason/non-recruit time.  I didnt see much reason to check back in with my favorite D3 cheeseheads.  Mount got embarrassed, it was bound to happen with the worst defense I have ever seen at Mount. 

The "hiatus" had very little to do with Mount's lackluster performance.  The job picks up and the other 37 weeks of the year projects make d3boards a lower priority.

But 11 is still more than 4 and losing to Buff State/not making playoffs with a national championship team is still worse than biffing the national title game.  I congratulate UWW on 2013, but both programs have been embarrassed recently.  We shall see if Mount can bounce back like UWW, despite our tuition and standards.

Good luck Warhawks

PS,
I normally try to find some nugget I can support you on, but not this time.
Your absence from the board immediately after the Stagg was chicken^#^* for a guy that likes to talk smack. You should have manned up and you'd have retained some credibility.
UWW w so many changes on offense losing to a decent Buff St by 1 point w 3 seconds left is nowhere near as embarrassing as what happened to Mt Union on national tv in the biggest game of the year. And it wasn't just the Mt D that got beat. The Kevin Burke will never lose offense got soundly beat too.
Lastly, Regarding tuition and standards - I'm sure all of Mt's Florida recruits are of the highest academic standing and all all fully paying that private pay tuition.

Please expand on this.  I have a feeling that you think its more than a player's home state.  I think we all know what word we could replace with Florida in your statement, and who would be paying that private school tuition?  Tuition is the same in state or out of state at a private school btw, no deals for RB's out of Illinois with a less than legal business.

I could not care less if you call me "chicken^#^*,"  it was by far the worst game in recent MUC history.  I had purple tinted glasses about the Mount defense all season.  Too be perfectly honest, Mount should not have been in the Stagg Bowl.  But the team won their right into the national championship game in the worst season in I cant remember in how long.  How many schools can have the worst year in recent memory and still be the national runners-up?  One, maybe NDSU in D-1AA.

Second place will never be something that goes over well at Mount, but if one takes a step back and realizes that it wasn't a horrible season.  Enjoy your championship, but there is a long time of success for UWW needed before you could understand what its like to be Mount Union.   

UWW had "so many changes on offense" and lost to a "decent" (huh?) Buff State team, but Mount with a young defense (and offense) still made it to the Stagg Bowl?  Double standard much?  How poorly would your beloved Warhawks have looked on ESPN playing a senior-laden MUC team in 2012?

[PurpleSuit]

on a non-UWW note,

Kevin Burke is in SoCal working with QB guru, and Massillon native, George Whitfield this week.  He has worked with a who's who of college QB's in recent years.

[02 Warhawk]

UWW had "so many changes on offense" and lost to a "decent" (huh?) Buff State team, but Mount with a young defense (and offense) still made it to the Stagg Bowl?  Double standard much?  How poorly would your beloved Warhawks have looked on ESPN playing a senior-laden MUC team in 2012?

How much worse would your Purple Raiders have looked on ESPN playing a senoir-laden UWW team in 2013?

(2014: 10 returning on offense, and just about half returning on D).

[PurpleSuit]

UWW had "so many changes on offense" and lost to a "decent" (huh?) Buff State team, but Mount with a young defense (and offense) still made it to the Stagg Bowl?  Double standard much?  How poorly would your beloved Warhawks have looked on ESPN playing a senior-laden MUC team in 2012?

How much worse would your Purple Raiders have looked on ESPN playing a senoir-laden UWW team in 2013?

(2014: 10 returning on offense, and just about half returning on D).

good one, you should have picked a non-playoff team for the argument.  Maybe 100-0 against a non-playoff team like the 2012 UWW squad.  National champ vs non-playoff team is a fun game right?

[ExTartanPlayer]

Second place will never be something that goes over well at Mount, but if one takes a step back and realizes that it wasn't a horrible season.  Enjoy your championship, but there is a long time of success for UWW needed before you could understand what its like to be Mount Union.   

UWW has won four of the last five national titles and beaten Mount Union for all four of them.  I think they understand what it takes to compete just fine.

[emma17]

Please expand on this.  I have a feeling that you think its more than a player's home state.

Ok.  You said "We shall see if Mount can bounce back like UWW, despite our tuition and standards."  Given the number of FL kids (regardless of the color of their skin) on the roster and as FL is known as a state that produces good football players and as FL is quite a trip from Ohio, I suspect that Mt probably has to provide some tuition incentive and possibly some academic relief to entice as many players from FL as they do.  I have no proof whatsoever, however, I think it stands to reason.  And for the record, I could care less.  I simply think the argument about UWW's tuition and standards is old and tiresome- and it's not an argument that should be waged from people that are likely living in a glass house.       

You said "Tuition is the same in state or out of state at a private school btw, no deals for RB's out of Illinois with a less than legal business." - again, glass houses.

To be clear, IMO your specific action of not rejoining the boards after the Stagg was chicken^#^*.   

You said "Enjoy your championship, but there is a long time of success for UWW needed before you could understand what its like to be Mount Union."  I believe this is true for every football team in the country, regardless of division.  Mt's record speaks for itself.  As does Mt's record vs UWW in the Stagg.       

You questioned the fact that I called Buff State a decent team.  Their record is 11-9 over the last two years and 6-4 in 2012 the year they beat UWW- AND they play in the E-8.  Need we begin the conversation about conference quality?  In my strongest of opinions, suggesting that UWW's 1 point loss to Buff State is somehow more embarrassing than what happened to Mt on national tv is ludicrous.

Lastly, you said "How poorly would your beloved Warhawks have looked on ESPN playing a senior-laden MUC team in 2012"? Really?  The Defense that stopped Mt's offense in 2013 is about the same defense that played in 2012.  I saw nothing from the 2012 Mt Stagg Bowl team that suggests UWW would not have been in that game until the end. This particular subject may make for interesting what ifs.
     

[TailGate]

4 out of 5 --in the past 5, is significant.  Has the "tide has turned"?  Yak all you want about history and tradition - but Mount needs to step up their game - or its just HISTORY.  There's a lot riding on the next few years.  Sure hope some of these new recruits can get in the mix early and contribute.....  including any Florida guys!   UWW isn't afraid to play them young.

It does suck that Mount has to play schools with HUGE (D-I) enrollment and CHEAP (really CHEAP) tuition - but it is what it is.  But - that's why each Championship was sweeter than the last and such a huge testament to the caliber of coaching, recruiting,  and grit of the kids at Mount. 

Looking towards the FUTURE....

[02 Warhawk]

4 out of 5 --in the past 5, is significant.  Has the "tide has turned"?  Yak all you want about history and tradition - but Mount needs to step up their game - or its just HISTORY.  There's a lot riding on the next few years.  Sure hope some of these new recruits can get in the mix early and contribute.....  including any Florida guys!   UWW isn't afraid to play them young.

It does suck that Mount has to play schools with HUGE (D-I) enrollment and CHEAP (really CHEAP) tuition - but it is what it is.  But - that's why each Championship was sweeter than the last and such a huge testament to the caliber of coaching, recruiting,  and grit of the kids at Mount. 

Looking towards the FUTURE....

You must be new around here...

[WarhawkDad]

4 out of 5 --in the past 5, is significant.  Has the "tide has turned"?  Yak all you want about history and tradition - but Mount needs to step up their game - or its just HISTORY.  There's a lot riding on the next few years.  Sure hope some of these new recruits can get in the mix early and contribute.....  including any Florida guys!   UWW isn't afraid to play them young.

It does suck that Mount has to play schools with HUGE (D-I) enrollment and CHEAP (really CHEAP) tuition - but it is what it is.  But - that's why each Championship was sweeter than the last and such a huge testament to the caliber of coaching, recruiting,  and grit of the kids at Mount. 

Looking towards the FUTURE....

I love this talk of tuition.  Those of us who had kids recruited by both private and public institutions know how the game is played.    Private institutions have higher tuitions and they may even say they have higher admittance standards, but when recruiting quality players to their school, "merit" scholarships become available and from what I saw personally, the amount offered pretty much allows the private school to be economically competitive with the public school tuition.  The same private schools also have academic programs directed towards those who may not 100% meet the admission requirements to help bolster the opportunity.

You can argue that tax dollars allow the publically funded schools to have the lower tuitions and that would be true, because out of the total school population less than 1% play football.   The reality is the public institutions are an opportunity for many to afford school and most are not athletes.

Private school endowments make it affordable for athletes that cannot afford private school tuition to attend private schools.   That is also a positive.   Mount Union's endowment is approximately $129 million and the tuition listed is $27,830 (not including room and board)   At University of Mount Union, 81.2 percent of full-time undergraduates receive some kind of need-based financial aid and the average need-based scholarship or grant award is $14,976.   This takes the out of pocket cost to go to Mount Union again without room and board to $12,854.     UWW in state tuition is $7580 and out of state $15,152.   So, if we were recruiting the same Florida recruit, it would actually be cheaper to go to Mount Union that UWW.

The websites checked were the UWW website, the Mount Union website, U.S. News and World Report.  While the numbers differed very very slightly from website to website, it was not material enough to make a significant change.

The reality is that if a private school program wants a recruit, they can find a way to level the playing field against a public school.