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[SaintsFAN]

What streams me more is the fact that Hoke denies seeing it and just knew about the ankle injury.

Typo!! I meant "steams" me more. Oops! I guess I got caught up in the moment too! 

Exactly.  And my "no schit" moment for Brady Hoke was when he basically said "Morris didn't come out of the game-he would've let us know there was a problem".

I have a big issue with this... I had few concussed moments out on the field and things get really foggy.  Judgement is impaired and the guy who is charged with keeping his kids safe - just flat out didn't do his job.  He looked like a deer in headlights the entire 2nd half.  Shame on you, Brady.

[reality check]

The hits to the head that Saintsfan took at the hands of the legendary Terry Malone are just part of the reason Sainstfan acts and talks the way he does today.  It's obvious he suffered some sort of head trauma during his Rams years. 

In the hypersensitive environment we live in today, I would bet that just about every coach in America could be let go for "justifiable reasons".  When I break down pass pro and step in to demonstrate a drill, I'm at risk of "abusing players" in some people's eyes. 

[emma17]

Speaking of Pentello, it's a sad situation in Columbus.....

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2014/09/24/sports-report-ledce-0924-art-gj6ucpo3-1.html

I'm assuming this would be family to the "Capital Pentello"??

Of course I know nothing of the details in this situation so I'll ask my question on a hypothetical.
If a coach smacked a player in the helmet during a heated moment of practice and there was neither an injury nor a complaint from the player / player's parent, should the school take action against the coach (I'm assuming word gets back to Administration via chatter or story telling)?

The times are changing.  What was common practice in the '60s is considered abuse these days.

I guess the part I struggle with is when administration steps in when there isn't a player or parent complaint.
In reading the posts I'm obviously not alone in my experience of a HS coach getting rough w a player. Not a single player I know took it as "abusive". In fact we still laugh about those moments today when we get together.
I do understand it's not so simple as that since a player may be too intimidated or afraid to make a complaint. 
I don't know the answer- except to say I'd like to see the the opinion of the "abused" given greater weight when determining if/how much discipline should be rendered.

[jknezek]

Speaking of Pentello, it's a sad situation in Columbus.....

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2014/09/24/sports-report-ledce-0924-art-gj6ucpo3-1.html

I'm assuming this would be family to the "Capital Pentello"??

Of course I know nothing of the details in this situation so I'll ask my question on a hypothetical.
If a coach smacked a player in the helmet during a heated moment of practice and there was neither an injury nor a complaint from the player / player's parent, should the school take action against the coach (I'm assuming word gets back to Administration via chatter or story telling)?

The times are changing.  What was common practice in the '60s is considered abuse these days.

I guess the part I struggle with is when administration steps in when there isn't a player or parent complaint.
In reading the posts I'm obviously not alone in my experience of a HS coach getting rough w a player. Not a single player I know took it as "abusive". In fact we still laugh about those moments today when we get together.
I do understand it's not so simple as that since a player may be too intimidated or afraid to make a complaint. 
I don't know the answer- except to say I'd like to see the the opinion of the "abused" given greater weight when determining if/how much discipline should be rendered.

The problem with this is the same problem you have in any case with a power discrepancy. It's real easy to apply pressure to the victim to say it wasn't a big deal. Just a bad way to go about it. Don't ask me for a good one, I don't have any real ideas there. But any case like this, domestic violence, bullying, workplace harassment, etc., you can't rely on the victim that heavily because the victim might have too much at stake.

[Dr. Acula]

Regarding this past weekend's fiasco in Ann Arbor with Michigan Head Coach Brady Hoke, I have never in my life seen where it is so obvious that a kid has been hurt with a probable concussion (he also hurt his ankle). The problem with this was not the fact that the kid got hurt but they did nothing to take care of him immediately. If he is hurt, pull him immediately and get him checked out. This is basic decision making. Someone on the Michigan coaching staff had to have seen him clearly not able to stand easily. What streams me more is the fact that Hoke denies seeing it and just knew about the ankle injury.

Mack Brown was on the radio talking about this.  He had an interesting perspective obviously since he was a big time HC for a long time.  Basically he said no HC that he knows would ever willfully play a kid they knew or thought was hurt.  He said it's controlled chaos on the sidelines during games and as a HC you're so focused on the game and play calling that you rely on the trainers and doctors to watch for injuries, especially concussions.  He also made a good point that if the doctors or trainers had seen the kid appearing concussed and told Hoke that Hoke would have to take the kid out until they cleared him to go back in.  He also correctly mentioned that the officials are also trained and supposed to be watching for concussion like symptoms and they missed it too.  The whole thing stinks for the kid though.  Someone should have seen it.

[Spurrier]

Spurrier says,"I only recruit karate men...they only bruise on the inside"

ms spurrier and I are in the ATL on our way to the cbus....we will see u in Ada bright and early tomorrow for a onu victory...where all my polar bears at?

[Dr. Acula]

After calling for 51 and sunny here in Cbus today yesterday I awake to 40 and raining.  It'll warm up, but let's hope this rain moves out in the next few hours.  A repeat of the crap weather we had last time Mount was at Bernlohr would make for a soggy afternoon.

Safe travels to anyone hitting the road this AM heading to their OAC spot of choice.

[Desertraider]

Regarding this past weekend's fiasco in Ann Arbor with Michigan Head Coach Brady Hoke, I have never in my life seen where it is so obvious that a kid has been hurt with a probable concussion (he also hurt his ankle). The problem with this was not the fact that the kid got hurt but they did nothing to take care of him immediately. If he is hurt, pull him immediately and get him checked out. This is basic decision making. Someone on the Michigan coaching staff had to have seen him clearly not able to stand easily. What streams me more is the fact that Hoke denies seeing it and just knew about the ankle injury.

Mack Brown was on the radio talking about this.  He had an interesting perspective obviously since he was a big time HC for a long time.  Basically he said no HC that he knows would ever willfully play a kid they knew or thought was hurt.  He said it's controlled chaos on the sidelines during games and as a HC you're so focused on the game and play calling that you rely on the trainers and doctors to watch for injuries, especially concussions.  He also made a good point that if the doctors or trainers had seen the kid appearing concussed and told Hoke that Hoke would have to take the kid out until they cleared him to go back in.  He also correctly mentioned that the officials are also trained and supposed to be watching for concussion like symptoms and they missed it too.  The whole thing stinks for the kid though.  Someone should have seen it.

What really kills me is that when Marshall played at Akron a few (alright a few, few) years ago the QB - Byron Leftwich - basically broke his leg. He was carried from play to play by the O-line. Did anyone call for the Coach to be fired? Did the NCAA launch an investigation? Did the administration demand new procedures? No. Leftwich was called everything from "hurculean" to "gutsy" for 3 days on ESPN and praised for his toughness. And the HC said he knew about the injury to the leg and let him play because they needed him to win the game!!
We have all been on the sidelines at one point or another - so why does it seem so hard to believe that Brady Hoke did not see the hit on the QB? The NCAA took measures to give the medical staff the right to step in and take over in situations like this. I believe that Hoke did not see the hit. The kid stumbled - but if you did not see the hit to his head, and knew his ankle was injured, couldn't you be under the impression that he stumbled due to the ankle? I watched the game - I saw the hit on replay. By the time replay hits - the HC is looking at the play sheet, making adjustments for the next play, etc. My question is: where was the MEDICAL STAFF that the NCAA has empowered to take over? They have people on the sideline and in the booth that are supposed to be watching the game AND have the benefit of the replay. Getting coffee? Napping? The problem isn't Hoke....well THIS problem isn't Hoke. The record....that is Hoke.

[ohiofan1954]

Marshall has a qb this year who should be called Heisman trophy winner. He is certainly the best qb in the Midwest if not the country. Unfortunately since most people don't know about the Herd he won't get any votes.

[Dr. Acula]

desertraider, your question was the point Mack Brown was making.  He even pointed out that the schools go so far as to have the trainers/doctors reporting directly to the AD or someone else of similar standing so the HC understands "they don't work for you.  You have no say on that stuff." 

[Desertraider]

desertraider, your question was the point Mack Brown was making.  He even pointed out that the schools go so far as to have the trainers/doctors reporting directly to the AD or someone else of similar standing so the HC understands "they don't work for you.  You have no say on that stuff."

Right on. However - listening to the game the announcers kept saying "Brady Hoke should be ashamed of himself". In addition - your comment from Mack Bown...no coach would knowingly....may be true NOW. But the reality is, and this shoukd come as no secret, many coaches have known about injuries and let the player make the call. Urban did it with Tebow and I am sure Mack did it with Colt and what's his name (seriously I forgot his name - the heisman runner-up..). Oh well. Roll Raiders!

[Dr. Acula]

Guys, Cap is really bad.  I mean BAD.  I can see how they lost to Musky now.  More when I get to my laptop...

[Knight Raider]

Guys, Cap is really bad.  I mean BAD.  I can see how they lost to Musky now.  More when I get to my laptop...

If you saw the game in person it was even worse than I expected.  Final score was 75-0.  I felt so bad I wanted the game to end at halftime.

[Desertraider]

Attention WRMU broadcat crew: It is pronounced "Guh-lardi" NOT "Gagleeardi".

[Desertraider]

Guys, Cap is really bad.  I mean BAD.  I can see how they lost to Musky now.  More when I get to my laptop...

Well on the positive side for Capital. They held Mount under 250 yards passing and only gave up 2 passing TDs. So they got that going for em. However - the run d (if you can call it that) needs some work. 491 yards rushing and 8tds. The thing I hate about games like this is that it tells me nothing about Mount. Wow - Cap had 60yds total offense on 57 plays. That is bad.