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[emma17]

Question.  Having watched the game and seeing Myers for the first time, is he capable of playing much better vs. Mt?  I don't mean to say he played poorly because he certainly came on strong later. 
It should be obvious to players and coaches that the key to a real chance at beating Mt is to stop digging a hole in the first half.  But Myers and JCU know this.  I was so surprised at the three turnovers he had in the first half, mistakes commonly made by less experienced players.  His lack of accuracy surely hurt them early on too.   

Teams are asking for trouble if they get into a last minute drive battle with Kevin Burke.  The game has to be won earlier IMO.   

 

[PurpleSuit]

No.  None of that stuff you try to deflect to.  I teach high school kids every day but it's sure is refreshing to converse with a presumably grown man who goes with the "fine, I'll go to the other end of the spectrum with my references to someone" as a form of objection or retaliation to being called out for name-calling, nicknaming, whatever you wish to call it.  You can call him Arth, Coach Arth, Tom Arth, JCU's coach, anything.  Likewise, you can obviously call him something a little more childish as you chose to, which doesn't add any "color" to the conversation.  And to be fair, you're not the only one that did it so I want to give credit to others for such clever wordplay.  This "do no wrong" attitude is an example of the unflattering behavior many outsiders comment on with some (minority) of the UMU fanbase.  I am willing to bet Dr. Acula, hscoach, rscl70, theaprof, etc., etc.. don't log in, read this stuff and think to themselves, "thank goodness that was said by someone in our fanbase." 

At least purplesuit knows he's a jerk and owns it.  That's not an excuse, but he seems to relish in his role and understands and owns his often regrettable trash-talking.   

Be careful, Suit will think this is a compliment.   

too late

[Raider 68]

Question.  Having watched the game and seeing Myers for the first time, is he capable of playing much better vs. Mt?  I don't mean to say he played poorly because he certainly came on strong later. 
It should be obvious to players and coaches that the key to a real chance at beating Mt is to stop digging a hole in the first half.  But Myers and JCU know this.  I was so surprised at the three turnovers he had in the first half, mistakes commonly made by less experienced players.  His lack of accuracy surely hurt them early on too.   

Teams are asking for trouble if they get into a last minute drive battle with Kevin Burke.  The game has to be won earlier IMO.   

 

emma17,

Having seen Mark Myers a few times, IMHO he has a strong arm, good reads and seldom makes mistakes, but I think against
the Raiders he has played as well as he can. The two early picks were surprising along with the early jitters of a big game.

In the event of a rematch, it will be more about the the Mount offense showing more diversity versus the conservative
approach in the second half of the 11-15-14 game. I agree if JCU  digs another hole early it will not be as close. For the what it worth
category, when the Raiders met a conference opponent in the regular season and met them again in the playoffs, the second
game was not normally as close in terms of the score. The coming weeks will tell us if our speculation if relevant.

[Dr. Acula]

Teams are asking for trouble if they get into a last minute drive battle with Kevin Burke.  The game has to be won earlier IMO.

According to Jeff Zupanic from The Review, Burke has had game winning drives against UMHB, Franklin, NCC and JCU going a combined 23-30 for 356 and 3 scores in those drives.  76.7% and 15.5 yds/completion when the game's on the line?  I'll take it. 

[HScoach]

No.  None of that stuff you try to deflect to.  I teach high school kids every day but it's sure is refreshing to converse with a presumably grown man who goes with the "fine, I'll go to the other end of the spectrum with my references to someone" as a form of objection or retaliation to being called out for name-calling, nicknaming, whatever you wish to call it.  You can call him Arth, Coach Arth, Tom Arth, JCU's coach, anything.  Likewise, you can obviously call him something a little more childish as you chose to, which doesn't add any "color" to the conversation.  And to be fair, you're not the only one that did it so I want to give credit to others for such clever wordplay.  This "do no wrong" attitude is an example of the unflattering behavior many outsiders comment on with some (minority) of the UMU fanbase.  I am willing to bet Dr. Acula, hscoach, rscl70, theaprof, etc., etc.. don't log in, read this stuff and think to themselves, "thank goodness that was said by someone in our fanbase." 

At least purplesuit knows he's a jerk and owns it.  That's not an excuse, but he seems to relish in his role and understands and owns his often regrettable trash-talking.   

RC:   While I definitely own the moniker of being a "realistic Mount fan" and one that prefers a little more analysis and a little less bravado than some of our regulars, I do occasionally go back to the How Old is Rocky Pentello joke book for material.   Does that make me a lesser person?   

The darker side of me kind of hopes so .

[SaintsFAN]

No.  None of that stuff you try to deflect to.  I teach high school kids every day but it's sure is refreshing to converse with a presumably grown man who goes with the "fine, I'll go to the other end of the spectrum with my references to someone" as a form of objection or retaliation to being called out for name-calling, nicknaming, whatever you wish to call it.  You can call him Arth, Coach Arth, Tom Arth, JCU's coach, anything.  Likewise, you can obviously call him something a little more childish as you chose to, which doesn't add any "color" to the conversation.  And to be fair, you're not the only one that did it so I want to give credit to others for such clever wordplay.  This "do no wrong" attitude is an example of the unflattering behavior many outsiders comment on with some (minority) of the UMU fanbase.  I am willing to bet Dr. Acula, hscoach, rscl70, theaprof, etc., etc.. don't log in, read this stuff and think to themselves, "thank goodness that was said by someone in our fanbase." 

At least purplesuit knows he's a jerk and owns it.  That's not an excuse, but he seems to relish in his role and understands and owns his often regrettable trash-talking.   

I don't even know who you are anymore..

[HScoach]

Question.  Having watched the game and seeing Myers for the first time, is he capable of playing much better vs. Mt?  I don't mean to say he played poorly because he certainly came on strong later. 
It should be obvious to players and coaches that the key to a real chance at beating Mt is to stop digging a hole in the first half.  But Myers and JCU know this.  I was so surprised at the three turnovers he had in the first half, mistakes commonly made by less experienced players.  His lack of accuracy surely hurt them early on too.   

Teams are asking for trouble if they get into a last minute drive battle with Kevin Burke.  The game has to be won earlier IMO.   

Bingo.   Burke might not be 6'-5" and have the huge arm of Myers, but the guy is the definition of clutch.  He's one of those guys that makes everyone around him better.   Calm, cool and collected.

I was very shocked that JCU settled for a FG when they had the ball down so deep with 3 minutes to go.   They had the Mount defense on it's heels and was facing in my mind the best opportunity they were ever going to get to score the winning touchdown.   Same as MHB last season against UWW (still can't figure that one out ).    At worst they give Mount the ball on the 3 yard line needing at least 3 first downs to end the game.  The most likely play then is Mount being somewhat conservative as they are nursing a lead and don't want to get too crazy.   But once JCU ties it up and kicks off, Mount has decent field position to work with and an urgency to go win the game themselves instead of just keeping the clock rolling.   

Plus if JCU scores the TD they force Mount into needing a TD to answer.  Whereas kicking the FG only forces Mount to get within the 25 yard line to try a game winning FG at the end.   Big difference in needing a TD versus a FG in how both the defense and offense approach that.     

In regards to the comment about Myers' play on Saturday, I thought he played MUCH better a season ago against Mount.   The INT's thrown weren't pretty and were definitely not something I expected him to do.   Hopefully he has a few more of those throws still in him if JCU/Mount face each other again.

[reality check]

saintsfan

I'll buy you some Kewpee the next time I head up to Ada and you'll remember who I am.

[section13raiderfan]

Anybody got an update on the Williams injury? I watched the replay and still dont exactly know what happened. Knee? Ankle? Recovery?

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Anybody got an update on the Williams injury? I watched the replay and still dont exactly know what happened. Knee? Ankle? Recovery?

He is listed as 2nd team RB and KR on the Depth Chart for Adrian game. Don't know if that's gamesmanship though.

[emma17]

Question.  Having watched the game and seeing Myers for the first time, is he capable of playing much better vs. Mt?  I don't mean to say he played poorly because he certainly came on strong later. 
It should be obvious to players and coaches that the key to a real chance at beating Mt is to stop digging a hole in the first half.  But Myers and JCU know this.  I was so surprised at the three turnovers he had in the first half, mistakes commonly made by less experienced players.  His lack of accuracy surely hurt them early on too.   

Teams are asking for trouble if they get into a last minute drive battle with Kevin Burke.  The game has to be won earlier IMO.   

Bingo.   Burke might not be 6'-5" and have the huge arm of Myers, but the guy is the definition of clutch.  He's one of those guys that makes everyone around him better.   Calm, cool and collected.

I was very shocked that JCU settled for a FG when they had the ball down so deep with 3 minutes to go.   They had the Mount defense on it's heels and was facing in my mind the best opportunity they were ever going to get to score the winning touchdown.   Same as MHB last season against UWW (still can't figure that one out ).    At worst they give Mount the ball on the 3 yard line needing at least 3 first downs to end the game.  The most likely play then is Mount being somewhat conservative as they are nursing a lead and don't want to get too crazy.   But once JCU ties it up and kicks off, Mount has decent field position to work with and an urgency to go win the game themselves instead of just keeping the clock rolling.   

Plus if JCU scores the TD they force Mount into needing a TD to answer.  Whereas kicking the FG only forces Mount to get within the 25 yard line to try a game winning FG at the end.   Big difference in needing a TD versus a FG in how both the defense and offense approach that.     

In regards to the comment about Myers' play on Saturday, I thought he played MUCH better a season ago against Mount.   The INT's thrown weren't pretty and were definitely not something I expected him to do.   Hopefully he has a few more of those throws still in him if JCU/Mount face each other again.

Agreed on JCU needing to go for the TD.

Maybe UWW has some of that intimidation mojo too- it fogs the mind of the competition. 

In UMHB's defense, 4th and 3 to go w 3 1/2 minutes, down 4.  UMHB had 12 points at the time-TD's were more like a mirage than a reality.  I'm guessing they were about 38 points under their season average.  They figure a field goal gets them within 1 and another defensive stop gets them the ball back with maybe 2 minutes to play.  Time for one more field goal drive with their very good kicker. 
If they go for the TD and fail, the field goal is no longer an option.     

[pradierguy]

No.  None of that stuff you try to deflect to.  I teach high school kids every day but it's sure is refreshing to converse with a presumably grown man who goes with the "fine, I'll go to the other end of the spectrum with my references to someone" as a form of objection or retaliation to being called out for name-calling, nicknaming, whatever you wish to call it.  You can call him Arth, Coach Arth, Tom Arth, JCU's coach, anything.  Likewise, you can obviously call him something a little more childish as you chose to, which doesn't add any "color" to the conversation.  And to be fair, you're not the only one that did it so I want to give credit to others for such clever wordplay.  This "do no wrong" attitude is an example of the unflattering behavior many outsiders comment on with some (minority) of the UMU fanbase.  I am willing to bet Dr. Acula, hscoach, rscl70, theaprof, etc., etc.. don't log in, read this stuff and think to themselves, "thank goodness that was said by someone in our fanbase." 

At least purplesuit knows he's a jerk and owns it.  That's not an excuse, but he seems to relish in his role and understands and owns his often regrettable trash-talking.   

RC:   While I definitely own the moniker of being a "realistic Mount fan" and one that prefers a little more analysis and a little less bravado than some of our regulars, I do occasionally go back to the How Old is Rocky Pentello joke book for material.   Does that make me a lesser person?   

The darker side of me kind of hopes so .

That's a joke? Maybe it is for you, but I've had legitimate interest in getting a definitive birth date on that old man.

[Toph]

Where are the John Carroll fans?  Nothing to say about your game with Centre?

rscl70,

Toph has not turned on his computer yet!

I'm not sure what this means...I posted my thoughts on last Saturday's game on Sunday. 

The reaction from many of the Mount fans has been strange.  Most of you were predicting 20-40 point wins in Mount's favor, and after winning by 7 on an obscure rule most didn't even know existed, you seem to be looking for a fight.  Are we...bored? 

I expect Carroll to win Saturday.  Then we'll see what happens the following week.  And if they should meet Mount again, I like their chances in the rematch.  Mount gave up almost 500 yards of total offense on Saturday (100 more than the JCU D gave up).  Unless you expect Myers to throw two picks and fumble again, including a pick six...I think JCU has a great chance to win the rematch, should both teams advance to that point. 

[PurpleSuit]

Mount never trailed on Saturday.  How did they win because of the 3 second rule?  Isn't the object to have more points?  JCU would have had to score on their final play and convert the 2 point play to win, not a guarantee or even likely.  Maybe the "obscure rule" is the only thing keeping it from being just another JCU loss to Mount.

Myers may not have three turnovers in a rematch, but Mount may not have two costly fumbles either.  One which ended what looked to be a scoring drive.  Mount did not play great, partially due to JCU.  How many delay of game penalties did Mount have?  The blue streaks blew their chance with Mount in game #10.  I would bet on a better game from Mount if JCU wins a couple of playoff games

[02 Warhawk]

Where are the John Carroll fans?  Nothing to say about your game with Centre?

rscl70,

Toph has not turned on his computer yet!

I'm not sure what this means...I posted my thoughts on last Saturday's game on Sunday. 

The reaction from many of the Mount fans has been strange.  Most of you were predicting 20-40 point wins in Mount's favor, and after winning by 7 on an obscure rule most didn't even know existed, you seem to be looking for a fight.  Are we...bored? 

I expect Carroll to win Saturday.  Then we'll see what happens the following week.  And if they should meet Mount again, I like their chances in the rematch.  Mount gave up almost 500 yards of total offense on Saturday (100 more than the JCU D gave up).  Unless you expect Myers to throw two picks and fumble again, including a pick six...I think JCU has a great chance to win the rematch, should both teams advance to that point.

I've seen this happen each year with whitewater. They win a close game and everyone jumps on the "they're vulnerable" bandwagon. Little do they realize the game actually prepared them for tougher games ahead. Some call it an "eye-openning" experience.

I fully expect mount to be more prepared, if there is a second go around with JCU. So don't get your hopes up, Toph.