FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Craft_Beermeister]

Mount never trailed on Saturday.  How did they win because of the 3 second rule?  Isn't the object to have more points?  JCU would have had to score on their final play and convert the 2 point play to win, not a guarantee or even likely.  Maybe the "obscure rule" is the only thing keeping it from being just another JCU loss to Mount.

Myers may not have three turnovers in a rematch, but Mount may not have two costly fumbles either.  One which ended what looked to be a scoring drive.  Mount did not play great, partially due to JCU.  How many delay of game penalties did Mount have?  The blue streaks blew their chance with Mount in game #10.  I would bet on a better game from Mount if JCU wins a couple of playoff games

Trophy
Are you a john carol fan?  I'm guessing yes. 9-1 is a great record, congratulations.  We all expect you to at least win one more. 

[Desertraider]

Where are the John Carroll fans?  Nothing to say about your game with Centre?

rscl70,

Toph has not turned on his computer yet!

I'm not sure what this means...I posted my thoughts on last Saturday's game on Sunday. 

The reaction from many of the Mount fans has been strange.  Most of you were predicting 20-40 point wins in Mount's favor, and after winning by 7 on an obscure rule most didn't even know existed, you seem to be looking for a fight.  Are we...bored? 

I expect Carroll to win Saturday.  Then we'll see what happens the following week.  And if they should meet Mount again, I like their chances in the rematch.  Mount gave up almost 500 yards of total offense on Saturday (100 more than the JCU D gave up).  Unless you expect Myers to throw two picks and fumble again, including a pick six...I think JCU has a great chance to win the rematch, should both teams advance to that point.

Don't know about looking for a fight. I think JCU has a great chance in the rematch as well. JCU is the one team I think can beat Mount before the Stagg. I said it all week that this is the game that worried me since they played last year. Yep - I predicted a 20ish point Mount win. Sorry - but history shows me that is correct 99% of time (besides, whenever I say it wil be close - it isn't). All the "St. Arth" (which is also a part of the JCU religious affiliation and the CROSS on the back of their helmet) aside - I still think JCU lost that game because Arth opted for the FG (and I posted that earlier). Too me that was a gut check moment and Arth didn't have 'em. Sorry. That isn't really picking a fight - just the way I saw that series. It just doesn't make sense to go for 3 from the 2 or 3 yard line in that game and under those conditions. As far as "most" people not knowing about the rule - NO ONE knew about the rule (except probably LK who I am sure was in VKs ear telling him about it) - I don't even think Arth knew about the rule.

Now as for the playoffs I am a bit surprised that the JCU base isn't talking about Centre. I hope JCU doesn't get beat by Mount again this week like they did last year (PD had a story about that on Cleveland.com). I want to see JCU and Mount both advance and I want to see a rematch. All the bravado aside - JCU dominated the 2nd half, but Mount did go vanilla on Offense and was not as aggressive on defense. I believe this because when push came to shove (Mounts last drive) JCU could not stop them. Mounts tempo was different, the urgency was different, and Mount looked like they were playing to win as oppossed to the previous 6 or 7 drives looking like they were playing to keep a lead and eat clock.

[Craft_Beermeister]

Where are the John Carroll fans?  Nothing to say about your game with Centre?

rscl70,

Toph has not turned on his computer yet!

I'm not sure what this means...I posted my thoughts on last Saturday's game on Sunday. 

The reaction from many of the Mount fans has been strange.  Most of you were predicting 20-40 point wins in Mount's favor, and after winning by 7 on an obscure rule most didn't even know existed, you seem to be looking for a fight.  Are we...bored? 

I expect Carroll to win Saturday.  Then we'll see what happens the following week.  And if they should meet Mount again, I like their chances in the rematch.  Mount gave up almost 500 yards of total offense on Saturday (100 more than the JCU D gave up).  Unless you expect Myers to throw two picks and fumble again, including a pick six...I think JCU has a great chance to win the rematch, should both teams advance to that point.

Don't know about looking for a fight. I think JCU has a great chance in the rematch as well. JCU is the one team I think can beat Mount before the Stagg. I said it all week that this is the game that worried me since they played last year. Yep - I predicted a 20ish point Mount win. Sorry - but history shows me that is correct 99% of time (besides, whenever I say it wil be close - it isn't). All the "St. Arth" (which is also a part of the JCU religious affiliation and the CROSS on the back of their helmet) aside - I still think JCU lost that game because Arth opted for the FG (and I posted that earlier). Too me that was a gut check moment and Arth didn't have 'em. Sorry. That isn't really picking a fight - just the way I saw that series. It just doesn't make sense to go for 3 from the 2 or 3 yard line in that game and under those conditions. As far as "most" people not knowing about the rule - NO ONE knew about the rule (except probably LK who I am sure was in VKs ear telling him about it) - I don't even think Arth knew about the rule.

Now as for the playoffs I am a bit surprised that the JCU base isn't talking about Centre. I hope JCU doesn't get beat by Mount again this week like they did last year (PD had a story about that on Cleveland.com). I want to see JCU and Mount both advance and I want to see a rematch. All the bravado aside - JCU dominated the 2nd half, but Mount did go vanilla on Offense and was not as aggressive on defense. I believe this because when push came to shove (Mounts last drive) JCU could not stop them. Mounts tempo was different, the urgency was different, and Mount looked like they were playing to win as oppossed to the previous 6 or 7 drives looking like they were playing to keep a lead and eat clock.

Damn Desertraider it seems like we are one the same page.  The Kehres guys respected John Carrol and got conservative in second half and let the clock run.  Arth got conservative and ran the clock too.  It wasn't until Mitchel fumbled after gaining a first down that John Carrol got less conservative, but Mount waited until John Carrol tied the game before their offense got less conservative and you know what happened?  With a little over 3 minutes on the clock Mount Union with a sense of urgency drove 72 yards in 121 seconds to score a touch down against OACs number 2 defense.  Maybe Mount scored too quickly or JCU gave up, we won't ever know, but we do know who won at the end.

[SaintsFAN]

saintsfan

I'll buy you some Kewpee the next time I head up to Ada and you'll remember who I am.

NICE!

[SaintsFAN]

  The Kehres guys respected John Carrol and got conservative in second half and let the clock run. 

Does Larry Kehres have an active and defined role on this team??  I thought he retired to let VK call the shots?

[Desertraider]

  The Kehres guys respected John Carrol and got conservative in second half and let the clock run. 

Does Larry Kehres have an active and defined role on this team??  I thought he retired to let VK call the shots?

From what I understand LK is helping with Quarterbacks. Don't know if he is the QB Coach or not but he is helping with QBs.

[Desertraider]

LK is not listed in an official capacity on the Coaches page - but I can get a bit more info later today  .

From the Mount Union athletic page on Kevin Burke:
"Mount Union senior quarterback and team captain Kevin Burke (Westlake/Lakewood St. Edward) accounted for 320 of the Raiders' 397 yards of total offense against John Carroll last week."

I hppe for some more diversity this week and as the playoffs progress - bevause I think they will need it later. Burke may only be 5'11 and 190 but we have all seen him put 10 guys (and at time 21 guys) on his back, sprint to the finish, and pull away from the opposition the whole way. The only time that hasn't worked was...well UWW. Ugh.

[emma17]

I found this to be a spot-on article from Tim Warsinskey, of The Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/11/john_carroll_mount_union_capab.html

[Desertraider]

I found this to be a spot-on article from Tim Warsinskey, of The Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/11/john_carroll_mount_union_capab.html

I saw that as well. Point #4 is the one JCU needs to read, re-read, re-re-read, etc.
4. Don't let Mount Union win twice

I have it on really good authority that the Friday night before JCU playoff game last year several of the players were doing some things you don't want to be doing the night before your first playoff game (i.e. still at an off campus party at 2AM). Hope they don't repeat it this year. 

[Onward on, John Carroll]

You want to hear from a JCU fan, here I am . . .

I thought Saturday was another memorable game between our two programs similar to 1997, 1999, 2001 and even last year.  Would have loved to have seen Carroll get off a potential game-tying play at the end but rules are rules. I will admit that I did not know that rule . . . but I will never forget it now nor will I ever forget how I learned it.

I agree that Mount looked conservative in the second half offensively but, in fairness, Mount was able to enjoy a much shorter field in the first half due to the turnovers and field position game that was being won by Mount in a big way early in the game.  Mount also had the benefit of playing with an early lead and a boost from their defense due to the early pick-six. 

JCU did look like a different team offensively in the second half.  Maybe Meyers adjusted to the wind, maybe it was because the running game seemed to start clicking or, maybe, Mount got complacent.  Who know?  I also think that, again, field position had a lot to do with it.  JCU was pinned deep on its first SIX drives, starting at the 1, 4, 20, 5, 13 and 12 yard line.  That is a credit to MUC's special teams and coaching but being that far back can effect and should effect play calling. MUC , in its first six drives, and in addition to the pick six, started in JCU territory twice and near midfield three times at its own 45, 45 and 49.  After those twelve drives combined, it was 21-0.  Again, testament to Mount for putting themselves in a good position but you cannot discount the effect that has on play calling.  I would like to think the second half was more indicative of these two teams match-up.  I see many Mount fans disagree with that opinion.

While it would be great to get another shot at Mount in a few weeks, OAC v Mount in the playoffs has been ugly in the past 20+ years, if memory serves me right.   I do think JCU is better equipped to avoid an upset this year.  Last year's team was much more dependent on the pass and when the wind blew and the snow fell in the first round against SJF, the offense was ineffective and did not move the ball.  Could have had a little Mount hangover too.  Who knows?

[Onward on, John Carroll]

I found this to be a spot-on article from Tim Warsinskey, of The Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/11/john_carroll_mount_union_capab.html

I disagree with Tim . . .while those were two very good teams on Saturday, neither appeared capable of beating the teams that have been waiting for Mount in the Stagg Bowl the last several years.

[PurpleSuit]

I found this to be a spot-on article from Tim Warsinskey, of The Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/11/john_carroll_mount_union_capab.html

I disagree with Tim . . .while those were two very good teams on Saturday, neither appeared capable of beating the teams that have been waiting for Mount in the Stagg Bowl the last several years.

I agree JCU isnt capable of winning the Stagg.  That's a given.  But it isn't a good idea to base that off of one game.  UWW has looked less than great multiple times this year, UHMB had a game with some other lame Texas team, and Wesley played certain teams like a JCU poster's alma mater, the Cuyahoga County School for the Slow and Disabled.

The cleveland paper hasnt covered d3 all season or much since a cleveland team has mattered.  It would be like Skip Bayless giving his thoughts on Mount vs JCU

[Pat Coleman]

This isn't true at all. Tim Warsinskey writes about in-state Division III football on a regular basis. I met him last year when Mount Union was at Heidelberg.

[PurpleSuit]

This isn't true at all. Tim Warsinskey writes about in-state Division III football on a regular basis. I met him last year when Mount Union was at Heidelberg.

He writes an article a week about cleveland's small college teams, more like a game report using the media guides. Covering JCU, BW, CWU, Lake Erie, Notre Dame, Ashland, Malone, Walsh doesn't seem like an expert on who can win a Stagg . But Pat is right, as always.

[reality check]

There's that jerk we all love and know.