FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[reality check]

Easterhack doesn't matter in th playoffs. Mount just got a punt return for another TD. 57-3 Raiders. I do agree though on the MIAA. Adrian is not the team I would want representing my conference. Trying to figure out the reasoning behind some of it though. I have not seen anything that Adrian is a "poor sport" team. Maybe they were trying to be physical and get in Mount's head? If that is it - mission failed.

He doesn't matter in the regular season either.

[Desertraider]

Texas Lutheran and UMHB just finished a 6 hour delay - and are now in a second delay according to the broadcast. Score is 14-10 UMHB...but I just saw that these 2 teams played in Week 7 (?) at TexLuth and UMHB won 72-16. Anyone think that TexLuth is 57 points better this time around?

[Craft_Beermeister]

Wow the Mary Hardin Baylor playoff game has been delayed for over 5 hours due to bad weather and lightning strikes.  The game is still early in 2nd quarter with MHB up 14 to 10.  I can't imagine how many Texas Lutheran fans have remained at the game.

I tried to post earlier with my iPad but it kept locking up during the posting so I switched to my laptop and posted only to later find desertraider had similar post.  I was in the Belton, TX area this week flying back on Thursday after 3 day business trip and weather around MHB was very calm in 50s and 60s.

[mr_mom]

Texas Lutheran and UMHB just finished a 6 hour delay - and are now in a second delay according to the broadcast. Score is 14-10 UMHB...but I just saw that these 2 teams played in Week 7 (?) at TexLuth and UMHB won 72-16. Anyone think that TexLuth is 57 points better this time around?

Based on how you voted on the OAC pick-em, you believe they aren't!   

I set the spread based on common opponents as well as statistics.  And then I personally picked TexLu with the points.  So you know know how I feel.  That first game was an aberration.

I also feel real bad for the poor players and fans sitting through this very long day.   

[Craft_Beermeister]

Update on MHB game.  They are playing 30 some miles to the north in Baylor but the MHB Texas Lutheran game has been delayed again by another front coming in.  If the game resumes with rain Texas Lutheran probably has more of a chance to stay in the game because they are predominately a running team.

[jaypeter]

Next expected update for the game is probably at 8:45 local time, 9:45 Eastern.  The guy on the radio said they're still seeing lightning at 8:18 local time, so it's at least another 30 minutes before they're even allowed back on the field to stretch and warm up again. 

my guess is that there won't be another snap for at least an hour.

We're having a nasty storm roll through Corpus Christi right now, too. 

[jaypeter]

NCAA is asking the teams to give it until 11:00 to try and restart the game.  At 8:45, while the radio broadcast was giving an update, they were still getting lightning cracking above the stadium.  If they can't restart by 11, they'll probably decided to finish tomorrow instead of continuing to wait.  In that sense, most people are probably hoping for a giant bolt to hit just behind the stadium at 10:31, meaning the game can't resume until after 11.

[Desertraider]

I just checked out the boxscore from the UWW/Maclester game. Macalester had 22 first downs, 354 total offense and was +11 in TOP....lost 55-2. Until you get to the score it looks like they played a decent game.

[Sir Battlescars]

As a Cap fan it makes me feel better seeing Mount & JCU put up 60+ points against playoff caliber opponents.   

I hear that. After today it looks like the OAC as a whole is a lot better than some have thought. Congrats to Mount Union and John Carroll on the impressive wins. 

[jaypeter]

UMHB website announcing that after 9 1/2 hours, the game will not resume tonight and will pick up tomorrow at 11:30 am central time.

Longest first round of the playoffs!

[BoBo]

I am told the 3 second no spiking the ball rule was changed in 2012. Is there any video of the game/situation that inspired this rule change? Inquiring minds want to know! Certainly the situation must have been totally unjust to inspire such a move. If I could see it for myself then maybe I can let it go. Anybody know how many games this rule has been invoked in? Can you imagine this rule affecting the outcome of a National Championship Game!!!!! The NCAA rules committee would be tar and feathered. I think it needs to be reconsidered and retracted.

The rule change was new for last season, not 2012.  The first time it was nationally mentioned was the ASU/Wisconsin game where Wisconsin was driving and in position to kick a game winning field goal.  QB tried to take a knee in the middle of the field to set up his kicker but never actually took a knee.  He just put the ball on the ground.  ASU defenders jumped on the ball and caused chaos.  Wisconsin QB tried to get a snap off to spike the ball but he did so as time expired and the game was over.  He probably missed getting it off in time at all but the officials and commentators noted the "under 3 seconds" rule at that time. 

Not saying the rule makes any sense but since everyone thinks they know it now because of the Mount/JCU game, let me reiterate that it means a play started with less than 3 seconds (read: 2 seconds) cannot be spiked to stop the clock.  So if the clock is running and the ball is snapped at 3, then a spike can occur to stop the clock.  I think in part, and I'm guessing here, the idea is that it's too close of a call for a ball to be snapped, spiked and the officials have reaction time to truly stop the clock if the ball is snapped with 2 or less seconds on the clock.

Say what?  At :14, Badger Qb Joel Stave did take a knee and put the ball down as the rule called for...the ASU linemen not just jumped on the ball, but acted like hens sitting on an egg for almost 8 seconds. For some reason the PAC 12 officials never stopped the clock nor attempted to get him off the ball. By the time they finally put the ball down, the field judge official prevented the Badgers from snapping the ball by standing over the ball until there was like 2 seconds on the clock and it was running. Stave tried to spike it, but the clock ran out. Major sore spot for all Badger fans. Replays show his knee was on the ground.  It was a comedy of errors by the PAC 12 officials. The Arizona view of the play is totally distorted. Couldn't let this go uncommented on as a Badger fan.

[BoBo]

I just checked out the boxscore from the UWW/Maclester game. Macalester had 22 first downs, 354 total offense and was +11 in TOP....lost 55-2. Until you get to the score it looks like they played a decent game.

Watched the game online and they actually played a decent game, even for losing 55-2. Played hard the whole game and showed a lot of grit. UWW employed the famous 'bend, but don't break defense' in this game.  Man I hate that.  Warhawks played without Kummerow again. Offensively, UWW just marched up and down the field without too much difficulty - scored on their first 5 possessions in very little TOP.  TOP is an overrated stat anyway...Mount fans should know all about that, don't you think?  I was actually quite worried because LL took the starters out with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and we hadn't made Mr. Mom's point spread yet, but we were able to score a couple more times and my picks were safe!!

[bleedpurple]

I just checked out the boxscore from the UWW/Maclester game. Macalester had 22 first downs, 354 total offense and was +11 in TOP....lost 55-2. Until you get to the score it looks like they played a decent game.

They were definitely better than I thought they would be. They have a very talented and athletic QB that LL said after the game he would definitely be fine with going into a game with him in his program.(In no way was he dissing Behrendt, he was just commenting on the Macalester team at the time).  He threw for 232 and rushed for 68. He kept some drives alive with his feet, which helped their yardage for sure.  Obviously, it didn't work well enough for them to turn drives into points, but it wasn't an embarrassing performance.  He was gritty and kept playing hard.  At this moment, I would say UW-W is a little bit ahead of where they were a year ago at this time offensively and a little behind where they were at this time defensively.

[reality check]

I am told the 3 second no spiking the ball rule was changed in 2012. Is there any video of the game/situation that inspired this rule change? Inquiring minds want to know! Certainly the situation must have been totally unjust to inspire such a move. If I could see it for myself then maybe I can let it go. Anybody know how many games this rule has been invoked in? Can you imagine this rule affecting the outcome of a National Championship Game!!!!! The NCAA rules committee would be tar and feathered. I think it needs to be reconsidered and retracted.

The rule change was new for last season, not 2012.  The first time it was nationally mentioned was the ASU/Wisconsin game where Wisconsin was driving and in position to kick a game winning field goal.  QB tried to take a knee in the middle of the field to set up his kicker but never actually took a knee.  He just put the ball on the ground.  ASU defenders jumped on the ball and caused chaos.  Wisconsin QB tried to get a snap off to spike the ball but he did so as time expired and the game was over.  He probably missed getting it off in time at all but the officials and commentators noted the "under 3 seconds" rule at that time. 

Not saying the rule makes any sense but since everyone thinks they know it now because of the Mount/JCU game, let me reiterate that it means a play started with less than 3 seconds (read: 2 seconds) cannot be spiked to stop the clock.  So if the clock is running and the ball is snapped at 3, then a spike can occur to stop the clock.  I think in part, and I'm guessing here, the idea is that it's too close of a call for a ball to be snapped, spiked and the officials have reaction time to truly stop the clock if the ball is snapped with 2 or less seconds on the clock.

Say what?  At :14, Badger Qb Joel Stave did take a knee and put the ball down as the rule called for...the ASU linemen not just jumped on the ball, but acted like hens sitting on an egg for almost 8 seconds. For some reason the PAC 12 officials never stopped the clock nor attempted to get him off the ball. By the time they finally put the ball down, the field judge official prevented the Badgers from snapping the ball by standing over the ball until there was like 2 seconds on the clock and it was running. Stave tried to spike it, but the clock ran out. Major sore spot for all Badger fans. Replays show his knee was on the ground.  It was a comedy of errors by the PAC 12 officials. The Arizona view of the play is totally distorted. Couldn't let this go uncommented on as a Badger fan.

As a fan of neither team, I have to say Wisconsin QB Stave screwed up royally in taking the worst attempt at a knee in the history of attempting to take a knee.  It was unclear that his knee touched the ground because he ran into one of his linemen as he gave the ball up and in real time he looked like he screwed up and just placed the ball on the ground without touching his knee.  Later, an endzone view confirmed he did touch his knee down but it was down awkwardly and with weird mechanics.  I totally understand the confusion on that play.  Should the officials have handled it differently?  Certainly.  But did Stave screw up by taking such an awkward knee?  Also, certainly.  If he handles it differently, then the other actions don't happen and the officials aren't put in the same position to mess it up.  Doesn't mean the officials didn't screw it up royally and it's not an excuse for them not taking control of the situation though.  Any fan has the potential to have a distorted viewpoint.  Believe me, your description of the events is not without bias, intentionally or otherwise.  The PAC-12 commissioner acknowledged that the officials screwed that up and the officials were "sanctioned" (whatever that means).  I remember watching that night on my tv and thinking "what the hell was that?" when Stave took a knee.  I can imagine the officials and players on the field were also a little unsure of what went down in real time.

[MasterJedi]

I am told the 3 second no spiking the ball rule was changed in 2012. Is there any video of the game/situation that inspired this rule change? Inquiring minds want to know! Certainly the situation must have been totally unjust to inspire such a move. If I could see it for myself then maybe I can let it go. Anybody know how many games this rule has been invoked in? Can you imagine this rule affecting the outcome of a National Championship Game!!!!! The NCAA rules committee would be tar and feathered. I think it needs to be reconsidered and retracted.

The rule change was new for last season, not 2012.  The first time it was nationally mentioned was the ASU/Wisconsin game where Wisconsin was driving and in position to kick a game winning field goal.  QB tried to take a knee in the middle of the field to set up his kicker but never actually took a knee.  He just put the ball on the ground.  ASU defenders jumped on the ball and caused chaos.  Wisconsin QB tried to get a snap off to spike the ball but he did so as time expired and the game was over.  He probably missed getting it off in time at all but the officials and commentators noted the "under 3 seconds" rule at that time. 

Not saying the rule makes any sense but since everyone thinks they know it now because of the Mount/JCU game, let me reiterate that it means a play started with less than 3 seconds (read: 2 seconds) cannot be spiked to stop the clock.  So if the clock is running and the ball is snapped at 3, then a spike can occur to stop the clock.  I think in part, and I'm guessing here, the idea is that it's too close of a call for a ball to be snapped, spiked and the officials have reaction time to truly stop the clock if the ball is snapped with 2 or less seconds on the clock.

Say what?  At :14, Badger Qb Joel Stave did take a knee and put the ball down as the rule called for...the ASU linemen not just jumped on the ball, but acted like hens sitting on an egg for almost 8 seconds. For some reason the PAC 12 officials never stopped the clock nor attempted to get him off the ball. By the time they finally put the ball down, the field judge official prevented the Badgers from snapping the ball by standing over the ball until there was like 2 seconds on the clock and it was running. Stave tried to spike it, but the clock ran out. Major sore spot for all Badger fans. Replays show his knee was on the ground.  It was a comedy of errors by the PAC 12 officials. The Arizona view of the play is totally distorted. Couldn't let this go uncommented on as a Badger fan.

As a fan of neither team, I have to say Wisconsin QB Stave screwed up royally in taking the worst attempt at a knee in the history of attempting to take a knee.  It was unclear that his knee touched the ground because he ran into one of his linemen as he gave the ball up and in real time he looked like he screwed up and just placed the ball on the ground without touching his knee.  Later, an endzone view confirmed he did touch his knee down but it was down awkwardly and with weird mechanics.  I totally understand the confusion on that play.  Should the officials have handled it differently?  Certainly.  But did Stave screw up by taking such an awkward knee?  Also, certainly.  If he handles it differently, then the other actions don't happen and the officials aren't put in the same position to mess it up.  Doesn't mean the officials didn't screw it up royally and it's not an excuse for them not taking control of the situation though.  Any fan has the potential to have a distorted viewpoint.  Believe me, your description of the events is not without bias, intentionally or otherwise.  The PAC-12 commissioner acknowledged that the officials screwed that up and the officials were "sanctioned" (whatever that means).  I remember watching that night on my tv and thinking "what the hell was that?" when Stave took a knee.  I can imagine the officials and players on the field were also a little unsure of what went down in real time.

You also don't have go take a knee to give yourself up, the rules state you can just place the ball on the ground and give yourself up and back away too. Either way the officials blew the whistle, didn't do anything for about 10 seconds and then stopped Wisconsin from snapping the ball with 5 seconds left on the clock, they completely screwed up.