FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Desertraider]

And yet, the NESCAC earns more national titles than the WIAC, proving enrollment does not correlate to athletic success in Division III.

Very true indeed. A quick check of their website shows that last year alone they accounted for 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!! Basketball, Football, Baseball, Wrestling...all the major sports played by all the schools nationwide. Oh wait, sorry it was: Field Hockey, Womens Squash, Men's Lacrosse, Men's Tennis, Softball, and Women's Rowing. STILL VERY IMPRESSIVE - I am not knocking the accomplishment(s). In fact the NESCAC dominates Squash, Rowing, and Field Hockey. Seems like an awful lot of these are sports that not many schools even have. However, it is still a national championship and something to be proud of.

Oh wait, sorry, you're not actually using facts. According to the NCAA, in 2010-2011:

-407 Division III schools sponsored softball, while just 374 sponsored baseball
-327 Division III schools sponsored Men's Tennis, while just 238 sponsored football
-179 Division III schools sponsored Men's Lacrosse and 159 sponsored women's field hockey, while just 88 sponsored wrestling

The reality is, that while the NESCAC does dominate niche sports like rowing and squash, many NESCAC titles come in sports where there are more teams competing than in the sports where the WIAC teams are winning titles.

I mean, it's pretty laughable you'd call wrestling a major sport played "by all the schools nationwide." Are you even aware of what's gone on in college wrestling over the last 30 years? You know, the part where 100 fewer schools have wrestling teams even though NCAA membership has increased dramatically?

Why don't you just admit that the WIAC is winning titles in what you consider to be the more important sports?

Umm - I think you are taking this just a tad too serious. I was not commenting on the WIAC. Just pointing out the niche sports that  NESCAC dominates. Am I even aware...yada yada - yep. Having wrestled for the majority of my first 24 years on the planet. Still - I consider it a major sport. MY "point" (and I using the quote option here since I wasn't really making one) was really to point out that the other sports don't really have a geographic region but are instead played anywhere (i.e. ya can't sail much in Iowa, or Montana).

[Desertraider]

And before I get a karma kick to the head - I did some checking on Squash. Yes the NESCAC has a number of National Championships in squash HOWEVER, only 33 schools have varsity squash teams. The 33 schools are in 3 conferences: Liberty, Ivy, and NESCAC (all decidedly East Coast) with 11 teams in each conference. Gives the NESCAC a 1 in 3 shot at a National Champ every year. I am just saying its not a nation -wide sport.

I only count Division III sports in my analysis, so let's not get sidetracked with silly stuff, folks.

See - Pat got it! It was, in fact, just silly stuff - and that is all it was intended to be.

[Desertraider]

MAN -- these boards are full of piss and vinegar today.  Lots of good reading.

You can say that again - except for the good reading. Lots of people trolling, looking for something to pounce on.

[Desertraider]

And yet, the NESCAC earns more national titles than the WIAC, proving enrollment does not correlate to athletic success in Division III.

Very true indeed. A quick check of their website shows that last year alone they accounted for 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!! Basketball, Football, Baseball, Wrestling...all the major sports played by all the schools nationwide. Oh wait, sorry it was: Field Hockey, Womens Squash, Men's Lacrosse, Men's Tennis, Softball, and Women's Rowing. STILL VERY IMPRESSIVE - I am not knocking the accomplishment(s). In fact the NESCAC dominates Squash, Rowing, and Field Hockey. Seems like an awful lot of these are sports that not many schools even have. However, it is still a national championship and something to be proud of.

Oh wait, sorry, you're not actually using facts. According to the NCAA, in 2010-2011:

-407 Division III schools sponsored softball, while just 374 sponsored baseball
-327 Division III schools sponsored Men's Tennis, while just 238 sponsored football
-179 Division III schools sponsored Men's Lacrosse and 159 sponsored women's field hockey, while just 88 sponsored wrestling

The reality is, that while the NESCAC does dominate niche sports like rowing and squash, many NESCAC titles come in sports where there are more teams competing than in the sports where the WIAC teams are winning titles.

I mean, it's pretty laughable you'd call wrestling a major sport played "by all the schools nationwide." Are you even aware of what's gone on in college wrestling over the last 30 years? You know, the part where 100 fewer schools have wrestling teams even though NCAA membership has increased dramatically?

Why don't you just admit that the WIAC is winning titles in what you consider to be the more important sports?

And since you brought it up - 88 D3 schools have wrestling. 33 SCHOOLS (D1, D2, D3, x,y,z, and r) have Squash! I wasn't just counting D3 - in my no point - point. If you took every blankety-blank school in the entire NCAA universe and asked them "Do you have squash?" 33 would say "Yes" regardless of division - all the rest would say "Only on the Thanksgiving menu"!

[Toph]

MAN -- these boards are full of piss and vinegar today.  Lots of good reading.

You can say that again - except for the good reading. Lots of people trolling, looking for something to pounce on.

I would tell folks not to feed the trolls...but then I would be bored.

[formerd3db]

Yeah, THAT.  BTW -- that is our LT on the ground the background.  He likes to say his guy never hit me - ever.. But I just show him that picture.  97 got there before his guy did because our RT stepped OUT against a 6 man front on a three step pass and this picture was snapped just after that moment of confusion for our young RT (he was a sophomore in his first season as the starter)

Here comes HScoach and Realitycheck.

Color photo from your playing days. Who knew?!?

We had leather helmets, too

SaintsFAN:

Seeing that photo again always gives me a headache!  But obviously not as bad as the one you had.  Seriously, though, I am glad you recovered without any serious sequelae. 

Your friend,
formerd3db

P.S.  I know you've been able to get to the Stagg once or twice in recent years.  Once again, I cannot make it this year, however, one of these days, you and I and a bunch of both our other colleagues are going to make that trip in a rental "Mallard" like we've talked about doing in past years.  It's on my "bucket list", seriously!

[purpled]

ROLL RAIDERS ROLL!!

[02 Warhawk]

Enrollment wise, Whitewater is much closer to D1 than D2.

Here are Division I FBS programs with fewer undergraduate students than Whitewater:

Tulsa
Rice
Air Force
Navy
Army
Wake Forest
Duke
Stanford
Vanderbilt
SMU
Louisiana-Monroe
Tulane
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Boston College
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
TCU

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Given that they have a massive student body and an insanely low cost of attendance, University of Wisconsin schools should compete and win national titles in every sport every season.

Great point I feel never gets brought up much. uww is a very atypical d3 school.
Id have to check the numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if they had better attendance than YSU thia year.

Another intereating facts is the all the colleges in the state are d3 except Wisconsin -Madison. I always wonder if that gives the WIAC a recruiting advantages since guys who want to go to school in state and play ball don't have the options like Ohio players do

REALLY!?!?! This probably the most reacurring topic on these boards over the past 5 years. You look like you're new, so your ignorance gets a pass.

[formerd3db]

Since there has been a variety of topics being discussed here this week, I just thought I'd mention this.  It appears that 4 of LL's assistants at UW-W are going with him to be on his staff at the University of Buffalo in the MAC.  Brian Borland, Andy Kotelnicki, Daryl Agpalsa and Alan Hensell are listed on the U of B football site as assistants.  That was a quick decision, although probably not surprising.

[Spurrier]

the only enrollment numbers that matter are the eleven on the field on a given down

[Raider 68]

HScoach,

Check your PM's!

[mr_mom]

MAN -- these boards are full of piss and vinegar today.  Lots of good reading.

Early spread ... Piss (-10.5) at Vinegar   

[HScoach]

MAN -- these boards are full of piss and vinegar today.  Lots of good reading.

Early spread ... Piss (-10.5) at Vinegar   

Now that is funny.  Well done, Mom.  We'll done.

FWIW, my money is on Piss.  Give the points!

[mr_mom]

Thanks, Coach!  It is fun to see a few folks hosing down the board with testosterone.

The following is simply dry stats.  Now that UMU and JCU have played some of the elite, here is a comparison of the "Tale of the Tape" at Game 1 and Game 2.  Enjoy!   

[Pat Coleman]

I have a file I track all this stuff in. I use only the actual sports there is a Division III championship in:

Baseball; Basketball, men's; Basketball, women's; Cross country, men's; Cross country, women's; Field hockey; Football; Golf, men's; Golf, women's; Ice hockey, men's; Ice hockey, women's; Indoor track, men's; Indoor track, women's; Lacrosse, men's; Lacrosse, women's; Rowing; Soccer, men's; Soccer, women's; Softball; Swimming, men's; Swimming, women's; Tennis, men's; Tennis, women's; Track and field, men's; Track and field, women's; Volleyball, men's; Volleyball, women's; Wrestling.

Among these Division III championships, here's year-by-year since Whitewater's first football title: NESCAC national titles vs. WIAC national titles.

2013-14: NESCAC 5, WIAC 5
2012-13: NESCAC 6, WIAC 4
2011-12: NESCAC 3, WIAC 2
2010-11: NESCAC 6, WIAC 3
2009-10: NESCAC 5, WIAC 3
2008-09: NESCAC 5, WIAC 2
2007-08: NESCAC 6, WIAC 3.5 (shared men's track title)
2006-07: NESCAC 4, WIAC 2

There's no squash or alpine skiing in these totals. NESCAC has many more Division III titles (40-24.5) in the past decade.