FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Before you go advocating that VK pull a Woody and go for 2 when already up by an insurmountable margin, you might want to consider the aftermath of that 'rubbing it in'.  After that game, Michigan hired some nobody named 'Bo' (though Woody already knew him well, and got to know him even better the next 12 years).  The very next year Woody had what he later declared was his best team ever, and was cruising toward an undefeated national title.  UM 24, OSU 12.

[purple]

If I may say so,Mount could have scored 100 points on several of the teams they played this year,and set individual and team records never to be surpassed,but they didn't. I know for a fact,from the master himself,they shut it down when they hit 50. However,this was the last game at Mount Union for a fine group of seniors,playing in front of friends and family,at home, for the final time. Who could blame them ,or the coaches, for letting them stay out there a little longer?

[Raiderplaybyplay]

Before you go advocating that VK pull a Woody and go for 2 when already up by an insurmountable margin, you might want to consider the aftermath of that 'rubbing it in'.  After that game, Michigan hired some nobody named 'Bo' (though Woody already knew him well, and got to know him even better the next 12 years).  The very next year Woody had what he later declared was his best team ever, and was cruising toward an undefeated national title.  UM 24, OSU 12.

I was aware of that history, and there are plenty of other drawbacks to intentionally running up the score. But man it would feel good.
I've only been following Mount since 2009, so I've  never seen us beat a Warhawk team. I hope our guys come to play on Friday

[Raiderplaybyplay]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

AGREE, Mount had plenty of opportunities to run up the score this year, but they never did. Last year Mount took a 31 0 lead against Wesley in the first quarter and they ended up coming back, you can never feel safe when there's still a good amount of time on the clock. Not to mention the fact that running your offense at full speed against a good defense is excellent preparation for the next game.

Second, their is no such thing as "running up the score" in the playoffs, this is big boy football. Regular season OAC matchups against inferior opponents are one thing, but no team has an obligation to stop scoring in the playoffs.

Also, since their is a limited roster in the playoffs  it's not like Mount has the ability to put in 3rd or 4th string guys really. They can only go so far down the depth chart, what are they supposed to do?

That being said, I'd love nothing more than VK to channel the spirit of Woody Hayes and start going for 2 point conversions against UWW if they rack up a big lead.

Raiderplaybyplay:


I agree with you completely that Mount did not run up the score.  That said, I would respectfully disagree with you to some extent in that while yes, the playoffs are "big boy football", however, running up the score in the playoffs IS possible.  I think everyone knows what that means and can recognize it i.e. if a coach intentionally put in types of plays that were meant for outlandish attempts at scoring and unnecessary.  That is far different than letting the reserves run the offense at usual for possessions and if they score, they score-so be it.  And all that is a discussion that has been held here on many occasions in the past(both in general and occasionally regarding some supposed/alleged situations, which really haven't occurred).

In addition, IMO, when the score gets like it did late in the 3rd and/or early 4th quarter with the game well in hand, that reserves should get the opportunity to play in the playoff game, like Mount's staff certainly did.  That's what they are supposed to do , especially with the limit on playoff rosters-those others should get the chance when it is a blowout.

Anyway, probably the reserves won't get the opportunity in the Staff if it is a close game.  Congratulations to Mount and all you Mount fans and, of course, the same to UW-W and their fans.  I think it will be a great Stagg Bowl (at least I hope it will be), although I will admit that after Mount's performance yesterday, I am not sure really what to expect! 

Yeah, I get that it's possible to run up the score, I just mean that I think once you're in the playoffs all bets are off in terms of a "mercy rule" or "mercy coaching". I think you do whatever you can do in the best interest of YOUR team. If Mount wanted to run their offense at full speed and get the seniors a few more reps on home turf, at the expense of Wesley, I'm fine with that.

Again though, my biggest concern as a coach would be not letting up. You NEVER know what can happen after half time, you just can't quit trying to put up more points that early into a game, I think playing starters into the 3rd quarter was very appropriate.

[ohiofan1954]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

[rscl70]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

AGREE, Mount had plenty of opportunities to run up the score this year, but they never did. Last year Mount took a 31 0 lead against Wesley in the first quarter and they ended up coming back, you can never feel safe when there's still a good amount of time on the clock. Not to mention the fact that running your offense at full speed against a good defense is excellent preparation for the next game.

Second, their is no such thing as "running up the score" in the playoffs, this is big boy football. Regular season OAC matchups against inferior opponents are one thing, but no team has an obligation to stop scoring in the playoffs.

Also, since their is a limited roster in the playoffs  it's not like Mount has the ability to put in 3rd or 4th string guys really. They can only go so far down the depth chart, what are they supposed to do?

That being said, I'd love nothing more than VK to channel the spirit of Woody Hayes and start going for 2 point conversions against UWW if they rack up a big lead.

Raiderplaybyplay:


I agree with you completely that Mount did not run up the score.  That said, I would respectfully disagree with you to some extent in that while yes, the playoffs are "big boy football", however, running up the score in the playoffs IS possible.  I think everyone knows what that means and can recognize it i.e. if a coach intentionally put in types of plays that were meant for outlandish attempts at scoring and unnecessary.  That is far different than letting the reserves run the offense at usual for possessions and if they score, they score-so be it.  And all that is a discussion that has been held here on many occasions in the past(both in general and occasionally regarding some supposed/alleged situations, which really haven't occurred).

In addition, IMO, when the score gets like it did late in the 3rd and/or early 4th quarter with the game well in hand, that reserves should get the opportunity to play in the playoff game, like Mount's staff certainly did.  That's what they are supposed to do , especially with the limit on playoff rosters-those others should get the chance when it is a blowout.

Anyway, probably the reserves won't get the opportunity in the Staff if it is a close game.  Congratulations to Mount and all you Mount fans and, of course, the same to UW-W and their fans.  I think it will be a great Stagg Bowl (at least I hope it will be), although I will admit that after Mount's performance yesterday, I am not sure really what to expect! 

Yeah, I get that it's possible to run up the score, I just mean that I think once you're in the playoffs all bets are off in terms of a "mercy rule" or "mercy coaching". I think you do whatever you can do in the best interest of YOUR team. If Mount wanted to run their offense at full speed and get the seniors a few more reps on home turf, at the expense of Wesley, I'm fine with that.

Again though, my biggest concern as a coach would be not letting up. You NEVER know what can happen after half time, you just can't quit trying to put up more points that early into a game, I think playing starters into the 3rd quarter was very appropriate.

When interviewed at half time VK was asked how Mount would play the second half.  He said that they would keep the foot on the accelerator because they remembered what happened last year.  He might also have been remembering what happened in the first game with JCU.  Just speculation here, but could it be he wanted to see his team maintain concentration and intensity into the third quarter when having a big lead?  Something they had not done in the past.

[pradierguy]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

Oh the horror. One random "example" from 8 seasons ago when Mount kicked a FG (keep in mind, didn't score a TD) and that just proves the theory? I hope your post was in jest.

[rscl70]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

I've often wondered why Mount does this.  We've even seen them kick field goals on 1st down rather than take the chance of scoring another touchdown.  Perhaps they should just have the QB throw an interception or take a knee.  Or better yet, just punt the ball through the end zone.  I'm sure any of those alternatives would make their opponents feel less put upon.   

[Desertraider]

Let me try to put this crap about running up the score into perspective. If team A is putting the hammer to team B - but team B still has all of its starters in - why should team A sub? Did Mount score alot - yep. Did they pull the starters maybe a bit later than they should? Maybe. But Wesley didn't quit and kept their starters in the entire game. Had to pad them stats against the B squad so Joe looks good for the Gagliardi? I mean seriously blow it out your collective arses! That goes for the WIAC board too. It was the National Semis - Wesley had been there before and stormed back in the second half. Leave the starters in for a series or 2 in the 3rd. I have no problem with that. The problem was...wait for it...Wesley! You don't like the score? Tired of getting scored on? Then change it. But to leave your starters in and expect the other team to pull theres is a crock of $#!%.

I know Wesley is so above running the score up on anyone. I mean the 70 against 2 win Menlo..it just happened. 75 against winless Virginia-Lynchburg? Oh well that was unavoidable and an accident. 62 on 2 win College of Faith? Well their D was so bad. Well guess what Wesley this wasn't putting 70 on a 2 win team....this was 70 on "the Best Wesley team" in memory. Let the -k fly and kiss my arse on your way to the button. The reality is: your D was that bad too.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

For the record, I haven't seen any Wesley posters commenting about "running up the score."  It has been the WIAC posters commenting on the apparent unprofessionalism of leaving Burke in to throw another TD while up 56-0.

I really just want to see this topic die and am hoping that MTU can continue their intensity through Friday night.  I'm still having nightmares about last years A55 Whopping by UWW.

[Pat Coleman]

Had to pad them stats against the B squad so Joe looks good for the Gagliardi? I mean seriously blow it out your collective arses!

You should blow that argument out yours. Ballots for the Gagliardi were due last Monday.

[Desertraider]

Had to pad them stats against the B squad so Joe looks good for the Gagliardi? I mean seriously blow it out your collective arses!

You should blow that argument out yours. Ballots for the Gagliardi were due last Monday.

It wasn't an actual argument anymore than the others were (it just happened, unavoidable, etc.). 

[formerd3db]

Let me try to put this crap about running up the score into perspective. If team A is putting the hammer to team B - but team B still has all of its starters in - why should team A sub? Did Mount score alot - yep. Did they pull the starters maybe a bit later than they should? Maybe. But Wesley didn't quit and kept their starters in the entire game. Had to pad them stats against the B squad so Joe looks good for the Gagliardi? I mean seriously blow it out your collective arses! That goes for the WIAC board too. It was the National Semis - Wesley had been there before and stormed back in the second half. Leave the starters in for a series or 2 in the 3rd. I have no problem with that. The problem was...wait for it...Wesley! You don't like the score? Tired of getting scored on? Then change it. But to leave your starters in and expect the other team to pull theres is a crock of $#!%.

I know Wesley is so above running the score up on anyone. I mean the 70 against 2 win Menlo..it just happened. 75 against winless Virginia-Lynchburg? Oh well that was unavoidable and an accident. 62 on 2 win College of Faith? Well their D was so bad. Well guess what Wesley this wasn't putting 70 on a 2 win team....this was 70 on "the Best Wesley team" in memory. Let the -k fly and kiss my arse on your way to the button. The reality is: your D was that bad too.

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

Oh the horror. One random "example" from 8 seasons ago when Mount kicked a FG (keep in mind, didn't score a TD) and that just proves the theory? I hope your post was in jest.

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

When Team A is hammering Team B hugely, they should sub for the reasons (IMO) I mentioned-giving the others an opportunity to play in a playoff game.  And if the reserves start faltering against the starters of Team B who are still in, the easy solution to your question or concern, is simply putting Team A's starters back in-period.  There is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. 

Also, regarding, ohiofan's relating the FG play of several years ago, who care's whether it was several years ago or not- that is irrelevant.  His was a legit point that some may have seen that as running up the score.  I took his post as meaning he did not see it that way, nor did I.  There is nothing wrong with that; again, just further supports the point that several are making that you would not ask your second and third team players to stop trying to score.  The FG example is legit-that is clearly a different situation from the situation of Woody's STARTERS of going for 2 after a TD when they were walloping Michigan as Mr. Ypsi reminded us.  And, I, for one, never said that Wesley people were saying Mount was running up the score.  As wesleydad said, he didn't see it that way; I don't recall seeing where any of the other Wesley people said that either.  And...this is not a crap topic.  It is a legit discussion topic in general.    

[mr_mom]

Alright, I lied.  I didn't wait until Monday to post the spread because I don't need my late statistics to calculate it.

Like last year, I'm making the game even.  It doesn't really matter what I put for the spread ... the MUC homies will pick Mount and the UWW homies will pick Whitewater no matter what I set.

[And Bobo, equating winning by two scores to 4 or two safeties ... that is some funny merde ... +k]

So, you pick the winner [5 points] and answer 10 other questions [2 points each] about the game.  And a hint about the first one ... most yards between Burke and Behrendt?  Last year it was 306 to 305!   

So have some fun.  Travel safe.  [Possible 1-2 inches of snow Friday night]   And get those picks in before game time.

Sorry I won't be there this year, but my daughter Purple-Panda gets out of school too late for us to make it to the game on time.

[ohiofan1954]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

Oh the horror. One random "example" from 8 seasons ago when Mount kicked a FG (keep in mind, didn't score a TD) and that just proves the theory? I hope your post was in jest.

That was not said in jest, it was said as proof  that contrary to popular belief on here Mt. has been know to run it up, something that was not needed in that game against that opponent. I don't mind the score being run up if the opposing team deserves it.  From what I remember of Wesley fans from the 3 games I have seen them play they might have deserved it due to the attitude of many of their obnoxious fans. They certainly weren't against running it up on Capital and Walsh. Since you think it was in jest I will mention one game I saw with Mt. that the opposing team might have deserved it but Mt. didn't run up the score. Anyone remember the 07 game against John Fischer and the band incident at the end of the game? I am not against Mt., I would love to see them win this week Oh in that Otterbein game from 06 I am sure that many might remember the botched punt by Otterbein that was part of the reason the score was that high in the first place. Worst mistake I have ever seen in a football game. Punter trying to kick ball out of end zone starting from about the 25. That play should have made Sports Center.