FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[wesleydad]

Let me try to put this crap about running up the score into perspective. If team A is putting the hammer to team B - but team B still has all of its starters in - why should team A sub? Did Mount score alot - yep. Did they pull the starters maybe a bit later than they should? Maybe. But Wesley didn't quit and kept their starters in the entire game. Had to pad them stats against the B squad so Joe looks good for the Gagliardi? I mean seriously blow it out your collective arses! That goes for the WIAC board too. It was the National Semis - Wesley had been there before and stormed back in the second half. Leave the starters in for a series or 2 in the 3rd. I have no problem with that. The problem was...wait for it...Wesley! You don't like the score? Tired of getting scored on? Then change it. But to leave your starters in and expect the other team to pull theres is a crock of $#!%.

I know Wesley is so above running the score up on anyone. I mean the 70 against 2 win Menlo..it just happened. 75 against winless Virginia-Lynchburg? Oh well that was unavoidable and an accident. 62 on 2 win College of Faith? Well their D was so bad. Well guess what Wesley this wasn't putting 70 on a 2 win team....this was 70 on "the Best Wesley team" in memory. Let the -k fly and kiss my arse on your way to the button. The reality is: your D was that bad too.

desertraider, who are you talking to?  as I have said from the beginning, I DONT THINK MOUNT RAN THE SCORE UP!!!!! I am not sure what point you are trying to make or who you are trying to make it to, but since I am the only Wesley fan that I have seen posting I figure it was me.  Get a grip, your anger/argument must be with someone else.  Wesley has found themselves in the same situation several times this year and has done what could be done to keep the score down, playing 3rd/4th string players who are still better than the other teams players who are in at that time of the game.  Stuff happens.  As far as your karma, I could care less.  I can't remember the last time I hit someone's negative karma.  Mine has been hit since yesterday and all I have done is rip Wesley for how bad they have played.

[mtfan]

Jesus f=cking Chr-st!  I am so tired of this discussion!    You both agree that MUC does not run it up!

We have two powerful kick-ars teams going off this Friday and THAT is what we should be talking about!

So GET ON WITH IT!!!!

Lol agreed!

Wesleydad check your PM

[amonachino]

LET'S NOT COUNT ANY CHICKENS UNTIL THEY HATCH. AS LK SAID THE ONLY GOAL IN THE PLAYOFFS IS TO SCORE ONE MORE PT. THEN YOUR OPPONENT. RUBBING IT IN OR GOING FOR 2, WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM?  I WANT A VICTORY PERIOD THE END.  UWW HAS DONE WHAT MOUNT DID 25 YEARS AGO.  THEY DECIDED TO SET UP THEIR PROGRAM TO COMPETE AND BEAT MOUNT DOWN THE ROAD.  THEY PUT MOUNT ON THEIR SCHEDULE AND THE REST IS HISTORY.  AS MUCH AS I RESPECT OUR FOES AND GIVE THEM THEIR DUE, I WANT TO BEAT THEM.  MOUNT IS AND HAS NOT BEEN KNOWN FOR POOR SPORTSMANSHIP.  THIS IS A "GAME"  AND LIFE GOES ON NO MATTER WHO WINS.  WHEN YOUR FOE BEATS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOURSELF.  WHEN MOUNT HAS LOST THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED CLEAN GAMES.  WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?  WHEN YOUR FOE BEATS YOU 52-14 THEY ARE BETTER THEN YOU.  GET BACK UP ON YOUR HORSE AND PUT THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT TO GET BETTER.  THAT IS WHERE MOUNT IS TODAY.  THE SEASON IS ALL ABOUT THIS GAME AND THIS TEAM. IF MOUNT WINS IT WILL BE VERY SWEET AND IF NOT IT WILL HURT BIG TIME FOR A LONG TIME.  JUST LIKE LAST YEAR, BUT WAIT, LAST YEAR IS OVER.  EVERY SEASON IS EXCITING AND EVEN IN DEFEAT THEIR IS VICTORY.  YOU BATTLED TO GET TO THE THE GAME THAT IS PLAYED FOR ALL THE MARBLES.  MEMORIES ARE MADE AND IN THE END, IT JUST A GAME.  A DAMN IMPORTANT ONE AT THAT.   

[Spurrier]

amonachino,

quit yelling at me...

[section13raiderfan]

I have never liked the philosophy of backing off on offense and trying to maintain your lead. It allows your opponent to get back in the game emotionally. Every time you go three and out you give your opponent an unearned opportunity to score again. The next thing you know they believe they are back in the game again and you got a problem on your hands way bigger then getting a short first down. If your starters are overwhelming the opponent then just call on the reserves to maintain the lead. Im sure they will cherish the opportunity and the scales should be a little more balanced competitively. Just dont ask the backups to try NOT to score. Now I realize this is the playoffs and the rosters have been distilled to a concentration of higher skilled athletes, so you may still get scored on by the backups. So be it! Not everybody gets a participation trophy at this level.  I think you are going to see two teams in the Stagg Bowl that excel at all phases in the game. Those that bowed out earlier must admit that they did not. How many teams in the playoffs had kicking teams that were lacking? How many were one dimensional? 

I really wanted to see Linfield make it to the Stagg Bowl this year since i dont remember ever seeing them play before. I wouldnt mind them in our playoff bracket someday just to see how UMU and Linfield stack up. I just hope they come to us. Any airports close to them if we had to travel?

[BoBo]

I respect the wishes of mr_mom and mtfan (I apologize to each of you if this gets lengthy) to end this online lynching and WIAC character assassination and move on to more important stuff, but as the author of the post you pasted from the WIAC board, the innuendo and spinning of misinformation cannot be ignored. I challenge you, Craft_Beermeister, Raiderplaybyplay or any other Mount fan who has replied to this to tell me where any of this thread on the WIAC board accuses or insinuates that Mount or VK is/was unsportsmanlike, lacked class, or was just running up the score.  Though I want you to go there and see for yourself, I'll save you the trouble - it's all made-up nonsense. Plus, characterizing that Mounts putting up 70 points on Wesley has gotten into the heads of many posters on the WAIC board is preposterous. Of all the posters in the thread, only one (ME) is a regular from the WIAC board; the others are from the CCIW, MWC, and NWC board and the one listed below is a total unknown to me, but definately not a WIAC regular. I can assure you, scoring 70 against Wesley is certainly not in my head, but it's something I've come to expect from Wesley - 2005 shoe-gate, and 2006 KABOOM-gate are still fresh in my mind. The comment I made that started your misinformation smear campaign stated this:

That game was for the ages.   

So was the Mount half of the other semi!

For anyone who was unaware, UMU led 70-0 after 3, before inserting all the guys as far down the depth chart as the shortened playoff rosters allow for the 4th. IF UMU plays like that next week, I don't think even UWW can touch them.  But I doubt they can - that was as near perfect a game as any team has played since, oh, UWW in last year's Stagg!

Everyone is aware of that Ypsi, we don't live under rocks here. Sounds like you're just trying to draw the ire of Warhawk fans?

Kinda odd in an uninteresting way that Burke was still throwing TD passes up 63-0. I'm pretty certain, you'd never see a Whitewater starting QB or a Whitewater QB in general throwing TD passes up 63-0 in any game. I guess style points - that's what they were - matter to you.  Maybe we should just award Mount the Walnut and Bronze in Alliance tomorrow in a special ceremony and save everyone the expense of traveling to Salem.  Just remember UMU was playing another lousy Wesley defensive team...enough said. Embarrassments like this are part of the reason why we only get on watch DIII on ESPN3 and not the original one.

Thinking an injury to your franchise QB in garbage time would ruin your season, I was just wondering out loud why take the risk. Who was the guy recently with the ACL injury celebrating a TD, it happened.  If it happened to your guy on Sat.  you all would be on VK like Mississippi moss on a tree stump. The game was over...period, end of discussion. There was no way Wesley was coming back to score 64 points - sounds like Wesley is really in your head after last year. Whitewater probably holds a spot there too, no doubt. Nowhere in there does it say Mount was unsportsmanlike, lacked class, or was trying to run up the score on Wesley. It's a rather innocuous post on all accounts if you ask me. But, you don't get free will to twist it in your own corrupt way. I agree with Kira & Jaxon's dad that I haven't seen any Wesley posters commenting about "running up the score." WesleyDad's been real blunt and honest that their defense didn't show up...haven't seen any of the other wesley usual posters as yet. "Running up the score" has all come from Mount posters - that seems to be in your head too. I guess Gregg Easterbrook has you all captivated. Just waiting for his next column, next to last paragraph.  You know what I mean.     
 
But, K & J's dad I take issue with something you said too. I'm the WIAC poster who thought it was odd and uninteresting to have Burke in the game throwing more TD passes with 4 min in the third.  There was no other WIAC poster making any kind of comment related to that. If odd and uninteresting is a euphemism for unprofessional, that's the first I've heard of it. Please don't characterize WIAC posters in the plural form because it was just me. There's only been 2 or 3 WIAC regulars on since the games yesterday anyway and none of them have commented on this. As I said earlier, everyone else in that thread is a non-WIAC regular and you should know that, being on these boards as long as you have been. I've always had upmost respect for you and your comments and thoroughness in posting. But in this case you are dead wrong.

desertraider - you hypothesized that the reason Wesley's QB racked up a ton of stats into the 4th quarter against Mounts B was somehow related to his Gagliardi campaign. But, in light of your statement, in all fairness, is it not true that the same thing could be said of Burke and should be said of Burke - "what's good for the goose is good for the gander."  It's a good thing the Boss set you straight so quickly, or that comment would make you appear to be a real homer.

Man, the idiotic stuff I have to waste my time with. Sorry mr_mom for prolonging this nonsense.

Mount putting 70 on Wesley in 3 quarters has gotten into the head of many of the posters on the WIAC board (see below).

I explained to them that Wesley is a well respected D3 team with an explosive offense that has multiple D3 players that have received recognition for their offensive skills.  Additionally, Wesley has a reputation of getting explosive on offense and once on a roll capable of putting up a lot of points in a hurry which Wesley did last time they played Mount. 

In the 3rd quarter Mount was trying to run time off the clock and Wesley came close to scoring twice in the quarter which saw Mount complete only 7 passes the last of which came with more than 4 minutes left in the quarter which put Mount up by 70.  Surely one can't blame Mount for playing so efficient on offense and for mixing in some passes which are an important component in their offense.  If my review of the stats is correct once  Mount got to 70 they didn't attempt another pass the rest of the game and put in their backups. 

There was no attempt to run up the score other than to be wise to protect against a possible Wesley miraculous comeback.  Mount didn't have the killer instinct, the knock out punch mentality last year, but they most definitely have it this year. And why not use it.  There is no need to start the BS about Mount Union being unsportsmanlike and bad for D3.  Below is pasted from the WIAC.

Re Mount Union not letting up:  This happened for one reason and one reason only - the 2013 game started out 31-0 and ended up 62-59.

Anybody with the slightest bit of historical knowledge and the slightest bit of intellectual integrity would confirm this.

Say the what?

Leipold's been kicking the arses of Kehres pere and Kehres fils all over Salem the last few years.  (Unfortunately.)  There's no score that Mount Union could have won by today that would have "sent Whitewater a message."

31-0, then 62-59 is the reason for today's continued scoring by Mount.  Well, that, and a second-half pick six, which can hardly be blamed on Mount's offense.

I'm not sure what drug you're under the influence of or if that drug is just wearing off, but :

1.  the pick 6 wasn't in the second half, but the second quarter -
2.  nobody was blaming Mount's offense for a pick 6 - but it was partially responsible for Mounts continued scoring - you lost me there, Edward. Care to explain?

Those two items make me question if you have the slightest bit of intellectual integrity (I use that phrase loosely, because like you, I have no idea what it means; I hope retagent can tell us!)

Frankly, I don't really care what Mount decides to do with their personnel. Just thought it was odd that VK felt the Raiders couldn't hold a 56 point halftime lead against a team that was more than capable of tripping over their own two feet, all by themselves. It screams of inferiority complex.

[02 Warhawk]

Jesus f=cking Chr-st! I am so tired of this discussion!    You both agree that MUC does not run it up!

We have two powerful kick-ars teams going off this Friday and THAT is what we should be talking about!

So GET ON WITH IT!!!!

When is Mount finally moving up to D2?!?!

[raiderfan1983]

Let's all just agree to wait until Tuesday to see what the moral compass of all things sportsmanship Gregggggggg Easterbrook has to say about Saturday's game. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Sorry BoBo, I was just trying to end the conversation and clear up anyone who was hating on the Wesley fans.

I guess I failed in my endeavor.

Good Luck on Friday!

[rscl70]

Jesus f=cking Chr-st! I am so tired of this discussion!    You both agree that MUC does not run it up!

We have two powerful kick-ars teams going off this Friday and THAT is what we should be talking about!

So GET ON WITH IT!!!!

When is Mount finally moving up to D2?!?!

About the same time U Dub Dub joins the Big 10.   

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Sorry BoBo, I was just trying to end the conversation and clear up anyone who was hating on the Wesley fans.

I guess I failed in my endeavor.

Good Luck on Friday!

I guess it was this comment on the WIAC board that I remembered...

Yes and I lost a lot of respect for Mt. Union!!    Bush league move.     I sure hope WWW wins next week.

George
A Linfield fan

[02 Warhawk]

RedditCFB ‏@RedditCFB 48s49 seconds ago
This weekend Japan had its College FB nat'l title; Kwansei Gakuin won its 26th in 69 years

Mount Union of the East.....

[SaintsFAN]

Had a great time, though I was anticipating a much closer game.  Got to sit and talk x's and o's with skunkssidekick, Junior and Raiderguy.  I love talking x's and o's.  Thanks for the hospitality gents!  Met Ski from the Wesley side before the game and talked to him again later on.  Great to meet up with those guys and wesleydad at Pancho's.  Went over to talk with Pat and wesleydad at halftime and saw Wesley come off the field, as we were above the tunnel.  I felt real empathy for the Wesley side:  It was just a big deflating deal for them.  I felt, as I'm sure they did as well, that Wesley had a real shot at The Machine. 

Spinning this thing forward to the Stagg Bowl.  A couple things in this game jumped out at me from Mount Union.

*Taurice Scott is going to be a star.  He was incredible on Saturday.  And Bradley Mitchell is at 100%.  Mount needs these two for their big play ability on Friday.  The healthy addition of these two to the lineup puts the opposing defenses in a catch 22 when looking at who on the offense to pay the most attention to -- combine that with KB's ability to find the receiver who is open and its a very dangerous offense.

*Will Hiteshue and Mike Furda's play was and will continue to be huge for Mount Union.  Hiteshue was an absolute play-maker on Saturday and Furda played the role of a robber on the DL with the two point stance and moving just before the snap.  Vince Kehres had a great gameplan for Wesley and these two helped execute it to perfection. 

*Mount Union's OL dominated the LOS on Saturday.  And when Wesley did get penetration, KB was able to escape.  I think Drass and Company thought their DL would win the battle up front and used his LB's in coverage for the most part, where they were ineffective.  It simply didn't matter to Burke to have those LBs in coverage, he threw over them and around them.  Its uncanny the ability he has to deliver the ball so the receivers don't have to break stride.

*One ominous thing from the game:  Wesley started out their 1st series with pounding the football with straight ahead runs.  They were getting 5 yards a pop by running straight at the Mount Union defense.  They killed the drive with an incompletion and then trying to run a fly sweep.  You can not run side to side on Mount Union.  Then, after the first Mount Union score, they completely went away from the straight ahead run (they ran it just one more time the entire half).  If the plan for Whitewater is to run the ball and keep Burke on the sidelines, what is the adjustment going to be for Mount Union's defense?

Whitewater is Whitewater and they have the advantage of the OL and DL -- but seeing what VK has cooked up the last two weeks against JCU and now Wesley, I'm very excited to see what he has planned for this week.  It needs to be good. 

[Teamski]

A belated congratulations to Mount Union for one hell of a drubbing.  You guys have an excellent team.  Good luck at the Stagg bowl.  We at Wesley will have to pick up the pieces and try again next year.   

-Ski

[PRP96]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??