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[Craft_Beermeister]

Sorry BoBo, I was just trying to end the conversation and clear up anyone who was hating on the Wesley fans.

I guess I failed in my endeavor.

Good Luck on Friday!

I guess it was this comment on the WIAC board that I remembered...

Yes and I lost a lot of respect for Mt. Union!!    Bush league move.     I sure hope WWW wins next week.

George
A Linfield fan

BoBo

Sorry if I woke you up and missed judged the comments written on the wiac board.  I admit a lot of the folks on the wiac board seem like they are good people loyal to their team and maybe comments like "bush league" were from outsiders.  I'll take your word that your buddies are from other boards and don't have official wiac cards.  I don't know who controls things on the wiac board but it seems the calling of Mount Union bush league wasn't effectively diffused by stating ...."Just thought it was odd that VK felt the Raiders couldn't hold a 56 point halftime lead against a team that was more than capable of tripping over their own two feet, all by themselves. It screams of inferiority complex."

Why don't we just let the players play the game on the field Friday.  It should be a good game.

My apologies again to BoBo for my misunderstanding.

[MasterJedi]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

Could have taken 4 knees, used up the entire game clock each play and not score anything. I don't have a problem with scoring a ton of points or "running up the score" but I get a chuckle out of people who think that there's no option except to score or kick a field goal on first down. That's what taking a kneee is for! lol

[raiderfan1983]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

Could have taken 4 knees, used up the entire game clock each play and not score anything. I don't have a problem with scoring a ton of points or "running up the score" but I get a chuckle out of people who think that there's no option except to score or kick a field goal on first down. That's what taking a kneee is for! lol

I have always operated under the assumption that the reason Mount has kicked field goals on first down before is two-fold.  First, it would be incredibly demoralizing for the defense to just quit playing the game altogether and turn it over on downs intentionally.  Second, the reason the kick came on first down as opposed to fourth was because LK (and I say LK because I have not seen VK kick field goals on first down as of yet) knew his team would score if he ran any type of play on first, second, or third down.  Rather than have his players take a dive and act like the defense could stop them, he took the more sporting option (again, in my opinion) and kicked the field goal.  As a high school coach, I would not begrudge an opponent for taking either action if I was on the back end of a beating.  I would understand in both cases, whether it be taking a knee four times or kicking the FG, the opposing coach is doing what he believes is most sportsmanlike.  I am only saying that in my opinion, taking the FG is the more sportsmanlike option.

[bufordscot]

Seems to me that it's the responsibility of the other team to prevent one from scoring.  Don't know, just saying.

[ohiofan1954]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

It was not first down at the two. There was 2:45 left in the game and it was a 38 yard field goal. I didn't get the info on the down but as I remember it was fourth down. Once again I have no trouble running up the score when someone deserves it. I will have no trouble when Alabama runs the score up on a&m in the FBS playoffs for example. I still remember A&M fans complaining about Indiana running up the score on them in 88. Of all teams to complain about running up the score.

[PRP96]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

Could have taken 4 knees, used up the entire game clock each play and not score anything. I don't have a problem with scoring a ton of points or "running up the score" but I get a chuckle out of people who think that there's no option except to score or kick a field goal on first down. That's what taking a kneee is for! lol

I, kindly, disagree, MasterJedi.  It's difficult for a coach to tell his players to not keep playing, when every coach in America, tells their kids to "play to the whistle blows."  By Mount kicking a FG, it not only gave a few more kids on MUC's side a chance to get in a game, but also did the same for the Otters (always wished they were the Otters.)  A former HC at Otterbein, Coach Hood, once told me that LK was always very good about not running up the score, and always appreciated that.  So, you have an opinion, which I respect, but, kicking the FG, I feel, was much better than 4 knees, in my opinion.

[raiderfan1983]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

It was not first down at the two. it was a fourth down play farther out on the field.

You are correct in that it was a 38 yard field goal (I just looked up the box score), but this does not help your case that Mount was running up the score.  As a matter of fact, it does the opposite.  If Mount was trying to run up the score, they would've converted on that fourth down and marched on to another touchdown.  Instead, they did the right thing and kicked a field goal.  I fail to see how kicking a field goal from 38 yards away on fourth down is running up the score.  Again, could they just take a knee??  Yes, but to completely stop playing football altogether is contrary to what you preach to players from the beginning of the very first work out and also a slap in the face to the other team. 

[amonachino]

Parents of the players who do not start or are not playing until the game is determined really enjoy watching their sons do nothing when they get into the game.  As Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio says that is a you problem.  You have the problem to stop the other team from scoring.  When  a team is running base plays and moving the ball with their 3rd or 4th team, you have to let these players get a taste of what they practice for.  As a sportsmanship you play all your kids and run base plays.  When the film is reviewed at least they are doing their job to the best of their ability.  I have seen Mount play since 1996 and I have never seen them run up a score.  Your first team in the early season games need reps. to get better to improve. Many times they are in cruse control in the 3rd quarter just to get work in and conditioning.  To me running up the score means keeping your first team in and doing all you can to score as if the game was going to be determined by this next score.  You can not just look at the final score and then say they ran it up.  you have to SEE the game.   

[reality check]

I can tell you as a coach, I think it's far more embarrassing for a team to take four straight knees.  I'd rather they kick the field goal on 4th down if that presents itself.  Having a team take a knee in order to turn it over on downs is far worse to deal with on the other sidelines.

[Blutarsky]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

It was not first down at the two. There was 2:45 left in the game and it was a 38 yard field goal. I didn't get the info on the down but as I remember it was fourth down. Once again I have no trouble running up the score when someone deserves it. I will have no trouble when Alabama runs the score up on a&m in the FBS playoffs for example. I still remember A&M fans complaining about Indiana running up the score on them in 88. Of all teams to complain about running up the score.

Dude:  Let it go......How long ago was this?

[Toph]

Lots of talk and criticism on the WIAC board about Mount running up the score and being classless. 
Never have heard Mount being called classless by anyone that knows anything about the program.  Field goals on first and goal in the third and fourth quarters over the years and no passing in the fourth quarter of most blowouts.

Mount's offense this year is up tempo, not huddle and go go go..that leads to more plays, more scoring and short scoring drives, (check the stats)..
56-0 at half and starters played vanilla football in the third period.  Mount to my memory has never sat the starters at the half, they usually play a couple series in the third and this is what they did.

Second team DBs LBs were in most of second half, and Wesley took advantage of them for statistical gains which meant nothing except for some records which were set by the Wolverine individuals..notably QB and WR...

We took our beatdown by the Warchicks last year with humility, however, this is one Raider that would like to send Lance out with his worst loss ever... I think we can..

I saw Mt. kick a field goal in 06 against Otterbein with the score 68-17 and two minutes left in the game. That sure looked like running up the score to me.

As I recall, that field goal was kicked on 1st and goal from the 2.  So in order to not run the score up, Mount should have run the ball in for a TD??

It was not first down at the two. There was 2:45 left in the game and it was a 38 yard field goal. I didn't get the info on the down but as I remember it was fourth down. Once again I have no trouble running up the score when someone deserves it. I will have no trouble when Alabama runs the score up on a&m in the FBS playoffs for example. I still remember A&M fans complaining about Indiana running up the score on them in 88. Of all teams to complain about running up the score.

So it was fourth down, mid-field goal range...and you're upset that a field goal was kicked?  I'm asking this question honestly...what would you have preferred Mount do?  Just take a knee and give the ball back? 

[Pat Coleman]

By Mount kicking a FG, it not only gave a few more kids on MUC's side a chance to get in a game, but also did the same for the Otters (always wished they were the Otters.) 

If they were in the MIAC, they would be the Otters.

[reality check]

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2122944/highlights/206727383#

Check out this kid's highlight tape for a good laugh.  He could probably have an immediate impact at Wilmington.

[Jonny Utah]

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2122944/highlights/206727383#

Check out this kid's highlight tape for a good laugh.  He could probably have an immediate impact at Wilmington.

That was awesome.  Loved how one of the plays was ironically taking a knee, and he wasn't even in the game.

[02 Warhawk]

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2122944/highlights/206727383#

Check out this kid's highlight tape for a good laugh.  He could probably have an immediate impact at Wilmington.

Outstanding..I found myself trying to spot him before the spot shadow. I like his sense of humor.