FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[reality check]

Lucky bastards.  We didn't even have a McDonald's when I was there.  In fact, I heard many times in my four years that ONU was the farthest university from a McDonald's in the US. 

BTW, I loved being the football player/art major (graphic design) in the honors dorm frosh year being challenged for my ACT scores by the other residents (mostly pharmacy and engineering majors).  The memory of the looks on their collective faces when they found out the athlete/BFA scored better than them on their precious ACT's will always make me smile. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

I think the real question is, does Dean Paul make $350,000?

(tongue in cheek joke, read NCAC board to understand)

[SaintsFAN]

I think the real question is, does Dean Paul make $350,000?

(tongue in cheek joke, read NCAC board to understand)

Yes.  Who do you think owns that new McDonald's RC is talking about??   

[emma17]

Have great respect for Dean Paul & staff.   Top shelf.   ONU sits in middle of cornfield - miles from anything more than a feedmill and a small town McDonalds.  In addition, ONU has the highest academic admissions standard in OAC -- ACT middle 50% between 23 and 29, compared to low - Muskingham, where middle 50% is between 18-24.  ONU cost highest in OAC and significantly higher than many OAC schools.  With D3 academic-only Scholarships - Pretty tough to find a large number of really smart kids with lots of money who want to live in a cornfield for 4 years.  Granted - not an all guys school - but still a VERY tough pitch.

At WW -  Abundance of talented athletes who can attend very inexpensive school where everyone is not required to be a rich brainiac.  Dean Paul  - very good fit if character and development really matter.   

Taynor - surprised to see on list - does not project to have D3 "traits"  - will leave at that.

Interesting.  That's a tough setting to sell for sure.
His open forum is tomorrow and I hope he does well.  It would be great if it were live stream.   

[formerd3db]

Have great respect for Dean Paul & staff.   Top shelf.   ONU sits in middle of cornfield - miles from anything more than a feedmill and a small town McDonalds.  In addition, ONU has the highest academic admissions standard in OAC -- ACT middle 50% between 23 and 29, compared to low - Muskingham, where middle 50% is between 18-24.  ONU cost highest in OAC and significantly higher than many OAC schools.  With D3 academic-only Scholarships - Pretty tough to find a large number of really smart kids with lots of money who want to live in a cornfield for 4 years.  Granted - not an all guys school - but still a VERY tough pitch.

At WW -  Abundance of talented athletes who can attend very inexpensive school where everyone is not required to be a rich brainiac.  Dean Paul  - very good fit if character and development really matter.   

Taynor - surprised to see on list - does not project to have D3 "traits"  - will leave at that.

TG:

Enjoyed reading your post.  However, I have a question i.e. am curious.  I thought that Ohio Wesleyan University was the highest costing OAC school?  According to the respective websites financial information sections at each school, the "total" cost of tuition at OWU for one year is $54,710 compared to about $43,000 for ONU.  Perhaps I "added" the numbers wrong or misinterpreted this.  Yet, in the past OWU has been in the >$50,000 range for several years (and several others of the Ohio and Indiana DIII schools), which has always been about $10,000 more than the highest tuition costing MIAA schools. I recall that when we took our daughters on the college visit tours a few years ago.  By the time you add up all the expenses now, Hope is about $41,000 per year. 

Of course, I am not counting any of the financial aid that many students get at any of these schools, although some don't get much at all, unfortunately.   Not intending to slight your missive, rather, again, am just curious as to the actual tuition/financial numbers that you were comparing.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Have great respect for Dean Paul & staff.   Top shelf.   ONU sits in middle of cornfield - miles from anything more than a feedmill and a small town McDonalds.  In addition, ONU has the highest academic admissions standard in OAC -- ACT middle 50% between 23 and 29, compared to low - Muskingham, where middle 50% is between 18-24.  ONU cost highest in OAC and significantly higher than many OAC schools.  With D3 academic-only Scholarships - Pretty tough to find a large number of really smart kids with lots of money who want to live in a cornfield for 4 years.  Granted - not an all guys school - but still a VERY tough pitch.

At WW -  Abundance of talented athletes who can attend very inexpensive school where everyone is not required to be a rich brainiac.  Dean Paul  - very good fit if character and development really matter.   

Taynor - surprised to see on list - does not project to have D3 "traits"  - will leave at that.

TG:

Enjoyed reading your post.  However, I have a question i.e. am curious.  I thought that Ohio Wesleyan University was the highest costing OAC school?  According to the respective websites financial information sections at each school, the "total" cost of tuition at OWU for one year is $54,710 compared to about $43,000 for ONU.  Perhaps I "added" the numbers wrong or misinterpreted this.  Yet, in the past OWU has been in the >$50,000 range for several years (and several others of the Ohio and Indiana DIII schools), which has always been about $10,000 more than the highest tuition costing MIAA schools. I recall that when we took our daughters on the college visit tours a few years ago.  By the time you add up all the expenses now, Hope is about $41,000 per year. 

Of course, I am not counting any of the financial aid that many students get at any of these schools, although some don't get much at all, unfortunately.   Not intending to slight your missive, rather, again, am just curious as to the actual tuition/financial numbers that you were comparing.

Doc, Ohio Wesleyan plays in the NCAC.

[reality check]

ExTartan pretty much explained that perfectly.  A little long-winded but still solid explanation on OWU.   

[Pat Coleman]

Geez, Doc ...

[SaintsFAN]

Interesting.  That's a tough setting to sell for sure.
His open forum is tomorrow and I hope he does well.  It would be great if it were live stream.

as realitycheck can attest to, Dean Paul is an impressive guy when he speaks and is more of the CEO Type than people realize.  He'll do great today.  IMO, he makes this a very hard decision for Whitewater.  I know Raeburn is a fantastic coach, but I don't know ER like I know Dean Paul.  I only played one year for him, but the guy righted so many wrongs in a very short off season that year and made us seniors feel like we actually played college football -- after the previous years of not really being like that.  I'll never be able to thank him or Mike Hallett enough for what they did.

[ExTartanPlayer]

ExTartan pretty much explained that perfectly.  A little long-winded but still solid explanation on OWU.   

I'll try not to be so wordy.

OWU -> NCAC

[reality check]

If Dean Paul can make Saintsfan feel like a college football player, how could he not be the best choice?  He's clearly a miracle-worker!

[cave2bens]

Geez, Doc ...

Several of us who've approached (or surpassed  ) the three score span have an occasional lapse.  Slack appreciated. 

Have great respect for Dean Paul & staff.   Top shelf.   ONU sits in middle of cornfield - miles from anything more than a feedmill and a small town McDonalds.  In addition, ONU has the highest academic admissions standard in OAC -- ACT middle 50% between 23 and 29, compared to low - Muskingham, where middle 50% is between 18-24.  ONU cost highest in OAC and significantly higher than many OAC schools.  With D3 academic-only Scholarships - Pretty tough to find a large number of really smart kids with lots of money who want to live in a cornfield for 4 years.  Granted - not an all guys school - but still a VERY tough pitch.

At WW -  Abundance of talented athletes who can attend very inexpensive school where everyone is not required to be a rich brainiac.  Dean Paul  - very good fit if character and development really matter.   

Taynor - surprised to see on list - does not project to have D3 "traits"  - will leave at that.

Ada isn't that bad - at least the locals understand proper ball inflation. 

[formerd3db]

ExTartan pretty much explained that perfectly.  A little long-winded but still solid explanation on OWU.   

ExTartan pretty much explained that perfectly.  A little long-winded but still solid explanation on OWU.   

I'll try not to be so wordy.

OWU -> NCAC

Geez, Doc ...

Well, I guess those 30 years doesn't seem all that long ago since OWU's time there.   Pat, ETP, RC, you guys, indeed, have the last laugh and this old veteran is wiping the egg off my face.   However, I respectfully plead for forgiveness and some slack from you guys (thanks cave2bens)-I've got a lot going on in my life right now. 

That said, I certainly did have part of it right. ONU is not the highest cost in the OAC.  While it is "significantly higher than many OAC schools" as TG said, according to the websites of the various schools regarding Tuition/R&B, JCU is more expensive than ONU (by some 3G.)  

 

[TailGate]

It depends on where you look.  I looked at the Average NET price on college navigator which puts out statistics for all colleges across the nation.  I think it is based on data colleges/universities are required to submit to US govt.  Most recent data available is for 2012-13 as 2013-14 data not yet available.  ONU is, on average, $78 less than JCU.  ONU did restructure tuition amounts effective this school year, but they also reduced the scholarship amounts proportionately.  In any case, splitting hairs.

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

[formerd3db]

It depends on where you look.  I looked at the Average NET price on college navigator which puts out statistics for all colleges across the nation.  I think it is based on data colleges/universities are required to submit to US govt.  Most recent data available is for 2012-13 as 2013-14 data not yet available.  ONU is, on average, $78 less than JCU.  ONU did restructure tuition amounts effective this school year, but they also reduced the scholarship amounts proportionately.  In any case, splitting hairs.

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

That is very true, although, personally, I would trust the college's own website information which is posted and controlled by their authorities, rather than the other information.  Comparing the websites, the $3,000+ that is the difference if you add up what they have listed and compare, is significant. That said, I agree with you that in some of these situations, it is "splitting hairs", which really doesn't matter, except for, perhaps, when it comes down to "mom and dad" paying every last cent of the bill!   For a few people, the difference, may be a significant consideration, yet, I agree with you that if it is some $78 dollars, I seriously doubt that would deter most anyone. 

Anyway, I'm not posting this to argue at all (nor did I take your reply that way either ), but rather for the sake of some interesting discussion (besides, it is the "off-season" ).  As we all know, this is an important aspect in DIII with regard to recruiting since athletic scholarships are prohibited.   

One final comment I will add is that it is certainly at times a difficult dilemma for some families.  Their son may really like a school in Ohio, for example, and have been significantly recruited, however, the financial situation (when all said and done with regard to any need based assistance, grants, loans, etc.) may still dictate that he has to choose a school closer to home to attend and play due to it being much less in the overall cost on a yearly basis.  Just the way it is sometimes.