FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[formerd3db]

I agree with you guys as well.  I think a darker purple on the logo would look much better than the silver.

Also, I'm assuming that Mount Union is going to have both of those helmets for next year i.e. is that your understanding?  If so, I think that is great, although obviously at about $250 per helmet, that is a substantial amount of $ (did I miss something or misunderstand the Mount Union might have some type of grant or donation available to cover the increased cost somewhat like Oregon's Nike connection?).  As we all know, most DIII schools can afford only one set of helmets (and/or perhaps only want to have one style), yet for those who are able to have two versions, that is fine too, IMO.

I believe they are trying to decide between the two and only have one helmet.

If that is the case, even though the white helmet looks good, my vote is for retaining the purple helmet.  This new updated, more modern version is very slick, IMO.

[shepherd]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform. 

[rscl70]

I agree with you guys as well.  I think a darker purple on the logo would look much better than the silver.

Also, I'm assuming that Mount Union is going to have both of those helmets for next year i.e. is that your understanding?  If so, I think that is great, although obviously at about $250 per helmet, that is a substantial amount of $ (did I miss something or misunderstand the Mount Union might have some type of grant or donation available to cover the increased cost somewhat like Oregon's Nike connection?).  As we all know, most DIII schools can afford only one set of helmets (and/or perhaps only want to have one style), yet for those who are able to have two versions, that is fine too, IMO.

I believe they are trying to decide between the two and only have one helmet.

The facebook post from the University said they were "concept helmets."  If I had a vote, which I don't, I'd go for the purple.  I don't see anything really exciting in either one, although the metalic look of the purple is a little more stylish by today's trends.  All things considered it's just the same old same old in an updated helmet.

[ExTartanPlayer]

It was interesting to see the Mount Union 2015 Spring roster posted so soon.  We have lost 4 juniors from last year and only 64 freshman remain from the original 101 players.  Also a couple of last year seniors by mistake.  Is that the usual attrition rate for Mount union? Does any of the other OAC schools have a similar or a different story?

Can't speak to Mount Union specifically, but that's typical of most D3 schools from what I've seen and heard in my (limited) experiences.

Ballpark estimates of what happens at most schools (acknowledging that certain "circumstances" can result in particularly high/low retention at certain schools) would be about 75% retention of freshman -> sophomores, probably about 75% of the sophomores -> juniors, and then usually a bit better (90% or more, I'd guess) of juniors -> seniors.  The biggest "losses" happen in the first couple of years; after freshman year you lose the guys who either can't hack it academically or decide they'd rather be regular college guys than football players, after sophomore year you lose another handful of guys who realize they're never going to play and don't feel like spending two more years giving up two hours every day for practice.  Most guys that hang in 'til they're juniors will probably stick it out the rest of the way.

That's my quick-and-dirty summary of what seems to be the typical retention rate at most D3 schools.  YMMV depending on the coach, program, success, specifics of the kids, dynamics of their frienships, etc.

[ADL70]

Gotta chuckle a bit at "Mt Union" and "typical of most D3 schools" in the same sentence .

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

John Carroll may be losing their DC:

From FootballScoop.com:

San Diego Chargers: The Chargers have hired Chris Shula as a quality control coach, according to Albert Breer. Chris is the grandson of Don Shula.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Gotta chuckle a bit at "Mt Union" and "typical of most D3 schools" in the same sentence .

Ha, I know.  Just sharing that it isn't that suprising to bring in 100 freshman recruits and have 65 return for sophomore year.

In fact, that's pretty much what I'd expect.

Out of sheer curiosity, I wonder how many of them remain at Mount as students vs. decide to transfer elsewhere in hopes of more realistic shot at playing time.

[reality check]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's.

Agree.  See Virginia Tech Helmet Ratings: http://www.sbes.vt.edu/helmet.php

The White Helmet is a Riddell Revolution Speed Model and the Purple is a Riddell 360.

Both earned 5 Star Ratings according to VT Ratings.

[02 Warhawk]

I must admit, I think the silver on white looks pretty slick.

However, I don't remember seeing these shirts at the 2014 Stagg Bowl.



As as UWW fan, I'm flattered. 

[shepherd]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's.

Your wrong the physics and math say so.
These helmets have bigger levers when you consider the coefficient of friction on a flatter helmet vs a round helmet.  Even if the round helmet has the same radius the coefficient of friction cancels it out so you get a working lever of a much smaller radius.
The round helmet has a smaller lever vs the bigger lever of the flatter helmet.
You may not be able to understand the math and physics but I am very extremely confident I am correct!!!!!!!!!
Yes I do have 2 degrees in electronics both 4.0/4,0 with extensive math and physics classes.

[bman]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's.

Your wrong the physics and math say so.
These helmets have bigger levers when you consider the coefficient of friction on a flatter helmet vs a round helmet.  Even if the round helmet has the same radius the coefficient of friction cancels it out so you get a working lever of a much smaller radius.
The round helmet has a smaller lever vs the bigger lever of the flatter helmet.
You may not be able to understand the math and physics but I am very extremely confident I am correct!!!!!!!!!
Yes I do have 2 degrees in electronics both 4.0/4,0 with extensive math and physics classes.

If you were that smart you would understand that you tried to prove your point by disproving 1 factor out of about 10...
The shape is 1 element of the design out of the 10 or so, in which the safety of the helmet is improved.
Since you're so smart, I'm sure you understand the evolution of materials and design that also factor in...
Given your superior intelligence, I'm also sure that you understand what's at stake in selling these devices...the financial factors,(design vs liability) that go into the manufacture of these helmets, ensures these manufacturers hire engineers and chemists that are (gasp!) even breaching your astronomical intelligence level....
I don't have a math or physics degree, but I know this.... smugness+being clueless+being opinionated on something you know nothing about= stupid posts

[Raiderplaybyplay]

I think the white face masks are classic. I'd rather see updated purple helmets with a white mask, but have these white helmets as alternates. An all white storm trooper look would be pretty nice, especially because the marketing office could do a "white out" thing.

Maybe Cecil, or Pierre will donate and make mount the Oregon of Ohio in terms of uniforms haha, we already use OUs offense.

Not gonna lie though, in terms of concept helmets they could have been a little more creative,  not necessarily the most imaginative choices.

[Raiderplaybyplay]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's.

Your wrong the physics and math say so.
These helmets have bigger levers when you consider the coefficient of friction on a flatter helmet vs a round helmet.  Even if the round helmet has the same radius the coefficient of friction cancels it out so you get a working lever of a much smaller radius.
The round helmet has a smaller lever vs the bigger lever of the flatter helmet.
You may not be able to understand the math and physics but I am very extremely confident I am correct!!!!!!!!!
Yes I do have 2 degrees in electronics both 4.0/4,0 with extensive math and physics classes.

If you were that smart you would understand that you tried to prove your point by disproving 1 factor out of about 10...
The shape is 1 element of the design out of the 10 or so, in which the safety of the helmet is improved.
Since you're so smart, I'm sure you understand the evolution of materials and design that also factor in...
Given your superior intelligence, I'm also sure that you understand what's at stake in selling these devices...the financial factors,(design vs liability) that go into the manufacture of these helmets, ensures these manufacturers hire engineers and chemists that are (gasp!) even breaching your astronomical intelligence level....
I don't have a math or physics degree, but I know this.... smugness+being clueless+being opinionated on something you know nothing about= stupid posts

I'm going to assume these helmets are safer, simply because helmet designers have a much bigger economic incentive to come up with a helmet proven to reduce injury rather than one that simply looks cool! Universities want to buy the safest equipment they can and avoid potential lawsuits down the road, looks are an after thought. Follow the money my friends.

[Sir Battlescars]

Mount Union got new helmets.  Nice.

http://bottlegate.com/2015/02/06/mount-unions-new-helmets-are-the-sexiest-thing-this-side-of-the-mississippi/

Having all those ridges and oval holes in a flatter style Helmet will not allow injuries.  Using Physics the old rounder shaped helmets with only a little hole is a safer shape for a helmet.  Also current helmets are shorter the 70's 80's models were long enough to push down on the shoulder pads on big hits for some people.  Mine did.  I'm sure the padding is much better but I believe the shape of the helmets is more towards cool looking vs safety.  Which can be said for the rest of the uniform padding which is now much thinner so you dont see the pads in the uniform anymore.  This has also extended to players at skill positions wearing ridiculously small pants that either just touch the top of the knee or higher.  Heck our qb at Wheaton is one of them.   Some school is going to get sued when a player gets a knee injury being allowed to go on the field with misfitting pants.  Add to that they are also wearing the very thin knee pad that doesn't fill half of the pocket it goes in.  We all know that the skill positions have always worn smaller shoulder pads etc but now its as if they are out there unprotected. 

That's my two cents on today's uniform.

If you truly think the newer helmets are designed with "coolness" in mind before "safety", then we can end the discussion here.  These helmets are designed first and foremost to prevent head injuries.  The guts of a modern helmet are light years better than what was used in the 90's and early 00's let alone the 70's and 80's.

Your wrong the physics and math say so.
These helmets have bigger levers when you consider the coefficient of friction on a flatter helmet vs a round helmet.  Even if the round helmet has the same radius the coefficient of friction cancels it out so you get a working lever of a much smaller radius.
The round helmet has a smaller lever vs the bigger lever of the flatter helmet.
You may not be able to understand the math and physics but I am very extremely confident I am correct!!!!!!!!!
Yes I do have 2 degrees in electronics both 4.0/4,0 with extensive math and physics classes.

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