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Didn't realize this until reading about the congratulatory post by his daughter on Facebook, but with the OT win versus JCU, Dean Paul became the winningest coach in ONU history.  Congrats to him and I wish him many, many more.
OAC Champs: 1942 (one title ties us with Ohio State)
OAC Runners-Up: 2017, 2016, 2015, 2010, 2009, 2005, 2004, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1982, 1941 (Stupid Mount Union!)
MOL Champs: 1952, 1950

Desertraider

Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on October 25, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
I'm not concerned about Mounts passing offense, I'm concerned about the running game. When the real playoff games roll around a great running offense is necessary. I rewatched some of the 2015 Stagg Bowl and really hope we can work in the 2 RB formation that put our offense in great situations.

A concern I have is that St Thomas D ran a 3-5-3 (that's what our base D is considered now, right?) and is open to the big plays in the middles the field. Now our offense that year had 4 major weapons in my mind (Scott, Namdar, Nemeth and Mitchell) and maybe 2/3 D3 offenses can beat it, but it's still a concern to me.

I agree - 100%!! However, you forgot one weapon from 2015 - Tim Kennedy. I thought he was the one that made it click. Dangerous over the middle, often occupied a LB/DB which took someone away from Nemeth when he hit the hole. Leave TK alone and he gashes you for 15-20 or more. Cover him and Nemeth runs through the void left by the guy in coverage.

I have said for the entire season that the run game concerns me. Mount hasn't been able to churn out yards in chunks. I really want to see them play a complete game - 50/50 run/pass - keep teams off balance, eat clock, grind yards in chunks. I know they can go deep - seen it. I just think its to one dimensional right now. The weapons on this team are Fulford, Hill, Ruth, and Friss - I just can't put a RB in that group right now.
RIP MUC57 - Go Everybody!
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WRMUalum13

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Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on October 25, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
I'm not concerned about Mounts passing offense, I'm concerned about the running game. When the real playoff games roll around a great running offense is necessary. I rewatched some of the 2015 Stagg Bowl and really hope we can work in the 2 RB formation that put our offense in great situations.

A concern I have is that St Thomas D ran a 3-5-3 (that's what our base D is considered now, right?) and is open to the big plays in the middles the field. Now our offense that year had 4 major weapons in my mind (Scott, Namdar, Nemeth and Mitchell) and maybe 2/3 D3 offenses can beat it, but it's still a concern to me.

Technically it's a 3-3-5, the "bandit" position is a 5th DB,

...after thinking about it I guess the spur / bandit positons are hybrid lb / dbs so I guess 3-5-3 is accurate as, I retract that correction

Desertraider

Quote from: WRMUalum13 on October 25, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on October 25, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
I'm not concerned about Mounts passing offense, I'm concerned about the running game. When the real playoff games roll around a great running offense is necessary. I rewatched some of the 2015 Stagg Bowl and really hope we can work in the 2 RB formation that put our offense in great situations.

A concern I have is that St Thomas D ran a 3-5-3 (that's what our base D is considered now, right?) and is open to the big plays in the middles the field. Now our offense that year had 4 major weapons in my mind (Scott, Namdar, Nemeth and Mitchell) and maybe 2/3 D3 offenses can beat it, but it's still a concern to me.

Technically it's a 3-3-5, the "bandit" position is a 5th DB,

...after thinking about it I guess the spur / bandit positons are hybrid lb / dbs so I guess 3-5-3 is accurate as, I retract that correction

Actually, during the Stagg a few years ago it was mentioned multiple times that Mount runs a "3-5-4" defense. Thanks Pam? Can't remember her name for the life of me but she said it like 10 times on air.
RIP MUC57 - Go Everybody!
National Champions: 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2015, 2017
The Autumn Wind is a Raider!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEYK_XjyLg
Immaculate Prevention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZLq_acsVN0

Craft_Beermeister

Quote from: desertraider on October 26, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Quote from: WRMUalum13 on October 25, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on October 25, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
I'm not concerned about Mounts passing offense, I'm concerned about the running game. When the real playoff games roll around a great running offense is necessary. I rewatched some of the 2015 Stagg Bowl and really hope we can work in the 2 RB formation that put our offense in great situations.

A concern I have is that St Thomas D ran a 3-5-3 (that's what our base D is considered now, right?) and is open to the big plays in the middles the field. Now our offense that year had 4 major weapons in my mind (Scott, Namdar, Nemeth and Mitchell) and maybe 2/3 D3 offenses can beat it, but it's still a concern to me.

Technically it's a 3-3-5, the "bandit" position is a 5th DB,

...after thinking about it I guess the spur / bandit positons are hybrid lb / dbs so I guess 3-5-3 is accurate as, I retract that correction

Actually, during the Stagg a few years ago it was mentioned multiple times that Mount runs a "3-5-4" defense. Thanks Pam? Can't remember her name for the life of me but she said it like 10 times on air.

That would Pam Ward and she is credited for saying twice while doing play-by-play during a Stagg Bowl broadcast that Mount Union ran a 5-2-5 defense.

HScoach pointed that out in an old post back in 2008
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3741.15960

HScoach

Wow.  You either have a great memory or way too much time on your hands to go find that nugget.

Good memory though.  Pam Ward is horrible
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buddy34

I have said for the entire season that the run game concerns me. Mount hasn't been able to churn out yards in chunks. I really want to see them play a complete game - 50/50 run/pass - keep teams off balance, eat clock, grind yards in chunks. I know they can go deep - seen it. I just think its to one dimensional right now. The weapons on this team are Fulford, Hill, Ruth, and Friss - I just can't put a RB in that group right now.

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mount has 1997 yards passing in 156 attempts, 1892 rushing in 287 attempts. pretty balanced, i think.

and when you can score as quickly and efficiently as mount does passing the ball, it's hard to eat clock and grind yards in chunks.

i do agree that none of the running backs belongs in the fulford-hill-ruth category, and that none of them is chuck moore or nate kmic. and fulford has been no burke running the ball. but i think the running game is pretty good.

Dr. Acula

Quote from: buddy34 on October 26, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
I have said for the entire season that the run game concerns me. Mount hasn't been able to churn out yards in chunks. I really want to see them play a complete game - 50/50 run/pass - keep teams off balance, eat clock, grind yards in chunks. I know they can go deep - seen it. I just think its to one dimensional right now. The weapons on this team are Fulford, Hill, Ruth, and Friss - I just can't put a RB in that group right now.

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mount has 1997 yards passing in 156 attempts, 1892 rushing in 287 attempts. pretty balanced, i think.

and when you can score as quickly and efficiently as mount does passing the ball, it's hard to eat clock and grind yards in chunks.

i do agree that none of the running backs belongs in the fulford-hill-ruth category, and that none of them is chuck moore or nate kmic. and fulford has been no burke running the ball. but i think the running game is pretty good.

Most of the time the raw number of runs vs. passes gets skewed by run-heavy second halves when the lead has ballooned.  But if you boil it down to starting RB carries vs. starting QB pass attempts that's still 127 runs vs. 123 passes.  And that doesn't include Fulford's read option runs.  They're definitely not pass happy in terms of play calling.  They just have WR's who get downfield and a QB who completes 75%.  Hill and Ruth are both at 20+ yds/catch.  You move down the field pretty quickly at that clip.

merlecanlas

I agree, Fulford should stop throwing so many long touchdown passes so Mount can "work on" their running game against the bottom of the OAC....

Desertraider

Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on October 26, 2017, 07:29:31 AM
Quote from: desertraider on October 26, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Quote from: WRMUalum13 on October 25, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on October 25, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
I'm not concerned about Mounts passing offense, I'm concerned about the running game. When the real playoff games roll around a great running offense is necessary. I rewatched some of the 2015 Stagg Bowl and really hope we can work in the 2 RB formation that put our offense in great situations.

A concern I have is that St Thomas D ran a 3-5-3 (that's what our base D is considered now, right?) and is open to the big plays in the middles the field. Now our offense that year had 4 major weapons in my mind (Scott, Namdar, Nemeth and Mitchell) and maybe 2/3 D3 offenses can beat it, but it's still a concern to me.

Technically it's a 3-3-5, the "bandit" position is a 5th DB,

...after thinking about it I guess the spur / bandit positons are hybrid lb / dbs so I guess 3-5-3 is accurate as, I retract that correction

Actually, during the Stagg a few years ago it was mentioned multiple times that Mount runs a "3-5-4" defense. Thanks Pam? Can't remember her name for the life of me but she said it like 10 times on air.

That would Pam Ward and she is credited for saying twice while doing play-by-play during a Stagg Bowl broadcast that Mount Union ran a 5-2-5 defense.

HScoach pointed that out in an old post back in 2008
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3741.15960

I didn't scroll back through to see all of that. I know HSC said it - so did I, purplesuit (miss purplesuit) heck I think K&J and several UWW posters. It was funny "that's how Mount does it, they play 12 on D". She may have said it twice during play-by-play, but I think she had a couple in during the pregame as well. Ah, Pam Ward...mediocrity at its mediocritiness.
RIP MUC57 - Go Everybody!
National Champions: 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2015, 2017
The Autumn Wind is a Raider!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEYK_XjyLg
Immaculate Prevention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZLq_acsVN0

WRMUalum13

Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 26, 2017, 09:43:35 AM
Quote from: buddy34 on October 26, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
I have said for the entire season that the run game concerns me. Mount hasn't been able to churn out yards in chunks. I really want to see them play a complete game - 50/50 run/pass - keep teams off balance, eat clock, grind yards in chunks. I know they can go deep - seen it. I just think its to one dimensional right now. The weapons on this team are Fulford, Hill, Ruth, and Friss - I just can't put a RB in that group right now.

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mount has 1997 yards passing in 156 attempts, 1892 rushing in 287 attempts. pretty balanced, i think.

and when you can score as quickly and efficiently as mount does passing the ball, it's hard to eat clock and grind yards in chunks.

i do agree that none of the running backs belongs in the fulford-hill-ruth category, and that none of them is chuck moore or nate kmic. and fulford has been no burke running the ball. but i think the running game is pretty good.

Most of the time the raw number of runs vs. passes gets skewed by run-heavy second halves when the lead has ballooned.  But if you boil it down to starting RB carries vs. starting QB pass attempts that's still 127 runs vs. 123 passes.  And that doesn't include Fulford's read option runs.  They're definitely not pass happy in terms of play calling.  They just have WR's who get downfield and a QB who completes 75%.  Hill and Ruth are both at 20+ yds/catch.  You move down the field pretty quickly at that clip.

Yeah I think the passing game is so effective that it overshadows the run game, but for now at least I think the balance seems fine

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

Weekly QB Depth Chart Update.

No Backups listed.  Only lists "Projected Starters"
National Champions - 13: 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2015, 2017

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  No, boys, I mean the Heisman Trophy.


WRMUalum13

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on October 26, 2017, 07:50:10 PM
Weekly QB Depth Chart Update.

No Backups listed.  Only lists "Projected Starters"

Wierd. Did the SID not have time to talk with the coaches lol