FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[purple]

 Amazing to me that several posters, including Ph.D, actually believe in the presumption of guilt, not the presumption of innocence. There are countries that support the idea an accused person is presumed guilty: Red China, Iran and North Korea. That is what some are actually saying, Mount should presume him guilty and act accordingly. Do any of you think he would have been released on a $5000.00 personal recognizance bond if this was a serious matter?  Also note the traffic charges were not filed until days after he appeared on the 2015 Juvenile case, and in a different court. How could lawyer Haupt have known about that?

[Pat Coleman]

I think the issue is that the proverbial court of public opinion, which you are currently arguing in, is not the same as a court of law and works by different rules.

[USTBench]

Amazing to me that several posters, including Ph.D, actually believe in the presumption of guilt, not the presumption of innocence. There are countries that support the idea an accused person is presumed guilty: Red China, Iran and North Korea. That is what some are actually saying, Mount should presume him guilty and act accordingly. Do any of you think he would have been released on a $5000.00 personal recognizance bond if this was a serious matter?  Also note the traffic charges were not filed until days after he appeared on the 2015 Juvenile case, and in a different court. How could lawyer Haupt have known about that?

That's assuming America's universities operate like a criminal court, which they do not. But if they did, there's typically conditions associated with a criminal charge while it's pending, even though you're presumed innocent, "conditions of release" or "bond conditions" if you will. The main one is showing up for court. I'm pretty sure LK and VK don't want the Stark County Sheriff's Department knocking on the locker room door 15 minutes prior to kickoff. So, if I'm the coach, my advice to the kid is, "Look, you've got major issues that need to be addressed that trump football right now. You don't need the distraction of football, and the team doesn't need the distraction of your legal situation. Get it figured out, and then we'll reevaluate your status." Not that hard, or unfair.

I'm not convicting the kid of anything, I am saying playing football is a privilege, and last I checked, MUC isn't planning on cutting their football program, so it stands to reason he still has a few years left to play. I am saying, that a felony battery charge is something that this kid should take the time to address, and with the multiple warrants he's had out for him recently (whether it's his fault or not), it doesn't appear to be too high on his list of priorities.

Some of you guys are starting to sound like the Steubenville Purple Raiders. Next you'll be talking about how the alleged victim was asking to get beat up.

[merlecanlas]

Where is merlecanlas today? That dude was on a roll yesterday and now nothing.

I don't know where he is, but I kind of wish he'd stay there! 

Where is merlecanlas today? That dude was on a roll yesterday and now nothing.

I don't know where he is, but I kind of wish he'd stay there! 

I second that motion

I missed you guys too

[edward de vere]

Anybody who makes me laugh gets an applaud so - Here's to you, Merle!

[bluestreak66]

Where is merlecanlas today? That dude was on a roll yesterday and now nothing.

I don't know where he is, but I kind of wish he'd stay there! 

Where is merlecanlas today? That dude was on a roll yesterday and now nothing.

I don't know where he is, but I kind of wish he'd stay there! 

I second that motion

I missed you guys too

You've touched my heart! 

[merlecanlas]

Instructions to appear in juvenile court are directed to the parents, not the child. Child is defined as a person under 18. Is is wholly on the parents to see he or she gets to court accompanied by a parent. The child is not  notified, his parent(s)or custodial parent is. Period.
If a child turns 18 while the case is pending, there is an attempt to notify he or she of the fact there is an unresolved case. This attempt at notification, long after the fact, may or not be successful. It is entirely reasonable and even likely Fulford had no knowledge he was due in court in Florida on a 2015 case he had never been notified about.
He may be in fact Not Guilty of the pending charge. He is in fact presumed to be innocent, and that presumption of innocence prevails until and unless he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Who says he is not entitled to that presumption of innocence? Have you no respect for the Constitution of the United States of America? No respect for the Bill of Rights?
The traffic ticket he received is clearly marked No Appearance Required. Who would hire a lawyer for such a minor matter? 
The Judge, a former Prosecutor and Judge of 30 years experience, had the last word....Warrant Cancelled, Courts costs only, 2 points for speeding. No fine. no license
suspension, thank you very much. Please pay the costs by March 1, 2018.
  "Much Ado About Nothing"
   Enjoy your crow.

and paid in full, both in OH and FL, as of 11/30/17.

what a heathen

[Mr.MIAC]

Instructions to appear in juvenile court are directed to the parents, not the child. Child is defined as a person under 18. Is is wholly on the parents to see he or she gets to court accompanied by a parent. The child is not  notified, his parent(s)or custodial parent is. Period.
If a child turns 18 while the case is pending, there is an attempt to notify he or she of the fact there is an unresolved case. This attempt at notification, long after the fact, may or not be successful. It is entirely reasonable and even likely Fulford had no knowledge he was due in court in Florida on a 2015 case he had never been notified about.
He may be in fact Not Guilty of the pending charge. He is in fact presumed to be innocent, and that presumption of innocence prevails until and unless he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Who says he is not entitled to that presumption of innocence? Have you no respect for the Constitution of the United States of America? No respect for the Bill of Rights?
The traffic ticket he received is clearly marked No Appearance Required. Who would hire a lawyer for such a minor matter? 
The Judge, a former Prosecutor and Judge of 30 years experience, had the last word....Warrant Cancelled, Courts costs only, 2 points for speeding. No fine. no license
suspension, thank you very much. Please pay the costs by March 1, 2018.
  "Much Ado About Nothing"
   Enjoy your crow.

and paid in full, both in OH and FL, as of 11/30/17.

what a heathen

Maybe the Mount Union apologists can help everyone see things through their eyes. To that end, here's a little template to make it easier. How does Mount Union categorize open felony charges when a national championship is on the line?

Wholly Acceptable Felony Charges: The player starts and Mount Union provides little to no public comment

Enter Felony Here

Potentially Acceptable Felony Charges: Depending on the opponent, the player may start and Mount Union may provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

Wholly Unacceptable Felony Charges: The player sits and Mount Union may or may not provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

[merlecanlas]

Instructions to appear in juvenile court are directed to the parents, not the child. Child is defined as a person under 18. Is is wholly on the parents to see he or she gets to court accompanied by a parent. The child is not  notified, his parent(s)or custodial parent is. Period.
If a child turns 18 while the case is pending, there is an attempt to notify he or she of the fact there is an unresolved case. This attempt at notification, long after the fact, may or not be successful. It is entirely reasonable and even likely Fulford had no knowledge he was due in court in Florida on a 2015 case he had never been notified about.
He may be in fact Not Guilty of the pending charge. He is in fact presumed to be innocent, and that presumption of innocence prevails until and unless he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Who says he is not entitled to that presumption of innocence? Have you no respect for the Constitution of the United States of America? No respect for the Bill of Rights?
The traffic ticket he received is clearly marked No Appearance Required. Who would hire a lawyer for such a minor matter? 
The Judge, a former Prosecutor and Judge of 30 years experience, had the last word....Warrant Cancelled, Courts costs only, 2 points for speeding. No fine. no license
suspension, thank you very much. Please pay the costs by March 1, 2018.
  "Much Ado About Nothing"
   Enjoy your crow.

and paid in full, both in OH and FL, as of 11/30/17.

what a heathen

Maybe the Mount Union apologists can help everyone see things through their eyes. To that end, here's a little template to make it easier. How does Mount Union categorize open felony charges when a national championship is on the line?

Wholly Acceptable Felony Charges: The player starts and Mount Union provides little to no public comment

Enter Felony Here

Potentially Acceptable Felony Charges: Depending on the opponent, the player may start and Mount Union may provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

Wholly Unacceptable Felony Charges: The player sits and Mount Union may or may not provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

If I was a DA, I would have charged the whole team in 2012 and 2015 for the battery they did to UST

[emma17]

Merle,
That was danged funny.

[wally_wabash]

You guys really need to talk to somebody about that timeout in 2012.  The angst you carry over that is unhealthy.  That- unlike arrest warrants and felony charges which are a big deal- was not a big deal.   

[jamtod]

Maybe the Mount Union apologists can help everyone see things through their eyes. To that end, here's a little template to make it easier. How does Mount Union categorize open felony charges when a national championship is on the line?

Wholly Acceptable Felony Charges: The player starts and Mount Union provides little to no public comment

Enter Felony Here

Potentially Acceptable Felony Charges: Depending on the opponent, the player may start and Mount Union may provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

Wholly Unacceptable Felony Charges: The player sits and Mount Union may or may not provide public comment

Enter Felony Here

If I was a DA, I would have charged the whole team in 2012 and 2015 for the battery they did to UST

You got me to crack a smile with this one merle. This is good stuff.

If I wasn't so darned jealous of your team's success and your class program, I might be tempted to give you +k.

[emma17]

As a non Mt guy, but sort of Mt fan in the big picture, I  place my vote for Dom Davis to start should things go that way.
The kid has 4 playoff games under his belt, he can run like you guys like your QB to run (I think), he led an offense that put up 70 on Alfred (which I rightly or wrongly assume to be similar to Frostburg) and has big game/close game experience as his last five starts were all very tight (except a bit of Alfred).

Dom at QB = Mt advancement. Unless he proves me wrong.

[merlecanlas]

As a non Mt guy, but sort of Mt fan in the big picture, I  place my vote for Dom Davis to start should things go that way.
The kid has 4 playoff games under his belt, he can run like you guys like your QB to run (I think), he led an offense that put up 70 on Alfred (which I rightly or wrongly assume to be similar to Frostburg) and has big game/close game experience as his last five starts were all very tight (except a bit of Alfred).

Dom at QB = Mt advancement. Unless he proves me wrong.

not on the team anymore my man

[edward de vere]

Wait - what?