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edward de vere

Although I guess that would explain Davis' tweet (or whatever) that somebody quoted here the other day.

sigma one

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Maybe, just maybe, Mt Union has a reason not to say anything about this.  I am going to speculate in a too-long-winded way.  I defer to the legal analysts to say I am mistaken in my understanding  of this situation..
     A law enacted in 1974 that pertains to all institutions of higher education that receive federal aid may be the reason UMU is silent on Fulford.  FERPA--the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act (commonly referred to as the Buckley Amendment, after Senator Buckley of New York who introduced the legislation)--prohibits  higher education institutions from releasing any information that is deemed part of a student's  "educational records."  The only way a school can release information is if the student gives his written permission.  Disciplinary records fall under the broad rubric of an "educational record." 
     I  know that schools have sometimes released disciplinary information.  There are a number of factors that come into play, but under a strict interpretation of FERPA, which some schools employ, this is a violation of the statute.
       
     I am sure UMU has done its homework to determine what can and cannot be released to the public.  Just because we WANT to know about Mount's decision about Fulford does not mean that we NEED to know.   So, any disciplinary decision the university may make about Fulford  is confined to  their telling him what they are going to do.  Not saying that this is why Mount has been silent, but it's possible that their attorneys (and yes, I am reasonably sure their attorneys are in on this) have told them not to go public.
     Again, not releasing disciplinary information has nothing to do with what is happening in the courts where decisions are part of the public record.  But it's possible that UMU is considering the Buckley Amendment when it comes to what they can and cannot say.
     Any help from those of you who are familiar with FERPA would be appreciated.
     Footnote:  it always gets my attention when a school releases information about a players' status following a decision on his exclusion from a game or dismissal from the program.  These are, after all, disciplinary matters, and hence a part of his educational record.  I suppose that if the student does not object (i.e. file a lawsuit) the institution is home free.  And I not sure if most students even know that the Buckley Amendment exists or that institutions even pay attention to FERPA when they release the information.  There are other ways to find out if a player is going to suit up.  Does his name still appear on the roster; is he on the two-deep in Game Notes, etc   I know of several schools that have answered questions by just saying:  "the student is no longer enrolled here."  And if the student is still enrolled, but has received some disciplinary action, they say nothing about what has transpired between the student and the school.

 
         

edward de vere

While I agree that the longer the silence goes on the more likely it is that there are legalities involved, the school could STILL say "We cannot comment because of the Buckley Amendment."

And the school could still, of course, sit Fulford for a game (or whatever) without comment.

USTBench

Hey Pat,

Have you called the SID or Larry?

Tell them Bench from the D3Boards is dying to know, he'll tell you.
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emma17

Quote from: merlecanlas on November 30, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 30, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
As a non Mt guy, but sort of Mt fan in the big picture, I  place my vote for Dom Davis to start should things go that way.
The kid has 4 playoff games under his belt, he can run like you guys like your QB to run (I think), he led an offense that put up 70 on Alfred (which I rightly or wrongly assume to be similar to Frostburg) and has big game/close game experience as his last five starts were all very tight (except a bit of Alfred).

Dom at QB = Mt advancement. Unless he proves me wrong.

not on the team anymore my man

Seriously? I thought I read a few hundred (feels that way) pages back that he was an option.
I'm honestly disappointed. I feel sorry for the kid. I know Mt fans didn't see him as the next Burke, but man, he bled purple for Raider nation for 14 games.

MUC57


I guess USTBench is not going to comment on sigma one's post. I'll keep checking. He might be trying to contact LK directly. Ya gotta luv it!
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SaintsFAN

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Quote from: merlecanlas on November 29, 2017, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2017, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: merlecanlas on November 29, 2017, 04:11:33 PM
I do not think that I will be allowed

You could just quote your old post. It is still there from 2015.

I'll allow you, your eminence

Quote from: PurpleSuit on March 20, 2015, 09:00:46 PM
I wonder if its the fact there are 15 or so co-defendants, some of which may be black.  If you knew much about the Pepper Pike address, its Myers.

Good news for UWW  fans, Myers looks to break Coppage's felony record for D3 All-Something players.

Quote from: PurpleSuit on March 20, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
It is absolutely him.  Born in '92 and a Pepper Pike address.  Come on. It should make one re-think the Pitt stories that I posted and got berated. 

Is there anything Tom Arth won't overlook in order to beat Mount? It sucked for Roman, who was later acquitted, but LK/VK handled that situation appropriately.

 
So, "merle", you've not only changed names, but changed views on the right way to "handle" players who have been charged with a Felony?
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: USTBench on November 30, 2017, 03:48:28 PM
Hey Pat,

Have you called the SID or Larry?

Tell them Bench from the D3Boards is dying to know, he'll tell you.

Yes, for the initial comment and this week when we let them know what we were working on. I did not cite your name.  ;)

The comment given was a decent explanation of what (his status remains unchanged as it makes its way through the legal process). It sounds as if people are interested in why it remains unchanged and if there's an explanation that people find satisfactory, it would certainly tamper down the speculation and the angst.

Clearly there are representatives of the program doing that here and in other places, but it is not the same coming from his attorneys or fans.
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USTBench

Quote from: MUC57 on November 30, 2017, 04:02:39 PM

I guess USTBench is not going to comment on sigma one's post. I'll keep checking. He might be trying to contact LK directly. Ya gotta luv it!

A simple, "He's starting" or "He's suspended for a violation of team rules" seems to be standard operating procedure among 99.9% of football teams.
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merlecanlas

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 30, 2017, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: merlecanlas on November 29, 2017, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2017, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: merlecanlas on November 29, 2017, 04:11:33 PM
I do not think that I will be allowed

You could just quote your old post. It is still there from 2015.

I'll allow you, your eminence

Quote from: PurpleSuit on March 20, 2015, 09:00:46 PM
I wonder if its the fact there are 15 or so co-defendants, some of which may be black.  If you knew much about the Pepper Pike address, its Myers.

Good news for UWW  fans, Myers looks to break Coppage's felony record for D3 All-Something players.

Quote from: PurpleSuit on March 20, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
It is absolutely him.  Born in '92 and a Pepper Pike address.  Come on. It should make one re-think the Pitt stories that I posted and got berated. 

Is there anything Tom Arth won't overlook in order to beat Mount? It sucked for Roman, who was later acquitted, but LK/VK handled that situation appropriately.

 
So, "merle", you've not only changed names, but changed views on the right way to "handle" players who have been charged with a Felony?

juvenile vs adult.  next

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So....merlecanlas and PurpleSuit are one and the same?
This gets more Soapy every 2 hours.

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edward de vere

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2017, 04:18:50 PM
Clearly there are representatives of the program doing that here and in other places

Wait - what?

MUC57

Back when all this started, didn't we hear that Fulford was still a student and his status on the football team remained unchanged? If that's correct, doesn't that constitute an announcement?
I may have it wrong. I'm old. I get mixed up and I forget things.
Response, please.
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edward de vere

Yep, that's what we've heard from the school in two weeks.

Could just about fill the Encyclopedia Britannica with it, eh?

USTBench

Quote from: MUC57 on November 30, 2017, 04:43:09 PM
Back when all this started, didn't we hear that Fulford was still a student and his status on the football team remained unchanged? If that's correct, doesn't that constitute an announcement?
I may have it wrong. I'm old. I get mixed up and I forget things.
Response, please.

I don't recall, but that's pretty much implied when he's gashing Case Western for 5 touchdowns in a Mt. Union uniform.

However, new week, new warrant.
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