FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[edward de vere]

To retire a story from a couple weeks ago that didn't seem to die -- Frostburg State didn't bring any players to the postgame news conference because none were requested to show up. The Alliance local media didn't have any questions for them.

Well, if any more evidence was needed . . .

[bluestreak66]

I have my company Christmas Friday. I'm really hoping they have ESPN U at the restaurant!

Get that ESPN app!

I should! But there is something fun about the idea of subjecting my coworkers to D3 football!

[gizzmo13]

I cant find link , but does anyone know who's playing pregame in parking lot tomorrow?

[Toph]

Vince is in a great situation now tho. I duno Kent is just a carrer killer lately. If he would ever leave itd be nice to see him go to somewhere a little more stable. Kents been the worst program in country (arguably)for years and years , but if he were to have success there he'd be a hot name on the coaching market.. Darrell Hazel had a nice little run a while back and got him a big time job (Purdue). Although he didn't do so well there, he still got paid.

Darrell Hazell, the guy before Haynes, coached them to one win away from the Orange Bowl and parlayed it into a $6.6 million contract with Purdue 5 years ago.  There's been one coach since then.  Not exactly a "career killer lately."  They have been an awful program, no argument.  But the fact that Paul Haynes couldn't win more than four games with a program that was a few plays short of a MAC championship and an Orange Bowl appearance has at least as much to do with Haynes as the program. 

My point was more that VK may not be the coach for a rebuild and there's not a lot of evidence of him winning with inferior talent...or even equal talent.  I'm not trying to take anything away from what he has accomplished, I'm just telling you what my eyes see.

[D O.C.]

Travel Day!
May all be safe and healthy to enjoy a much anticipated Friday.

[wm4]

I , for one, hope Vince gets offered the job. In one swoop he can retire his mortgage, provide for his children's education and secure his retirement. Not many have a chance to do all that with one signature. In a world where muscle reigns and the only real insurance is cash, he should try for it.

How much do you think Kent State pays?  Paul Haynes' total contract was $1.9 million.  He won't be able to do all those things (pay for kids' school, pay off his house, and retire) on that kind of money without continuing to work.  Though I'm not sure his kids would have to pay if they chose to go to Mount Union.  For two kids, the tuition bills alone will be probably upwards of a quarter million dollars or more in total by the time his kids reach college age.

I think the odds of VK leaving are very low.  Maybe when all is said and done, he get's a little $$ bump from MU from this.

[wally_wabash]

I have my company Christmas Friday. I'm really hoping they have ESPN U at the restaurant!

Get that ESPN app!

I should! But there is something fun about the idea of subjecting my coworkers to D3 football!

They should be so lucky! 


But I'd still have that app just in case.   

[HScoach]

Sorry if already mentioned, but I came across this article on the Kent State head coaching search (which has been a very strange one, btw). 

<<There has been some chatter about Mount Union head coach Vince Kehres being a candidate once his season is complete. The Purple Raiders will play for their 13th national championship against Mary Hardin-Baylor on Friday night. At this time we're told there has not been contact (which is surprising given the number of coaches who have been contacted) but we also hear that Kehres would listen if contacted after the season.>>

Full article on the search here

http://footballscoop.com/news/update-kent-state/

Beat you by one minute. 😉

Yikes the fact it said "he would listen" is a bit worrying to me.

This comes from a JCU grad who has an older brother that graduated from Mount, has been to the Stagg Bowl to watch Mount Union probably 8 or more times, and has nothing but respect for the Mount program and the Kehres family. 

As a Kent State fan (yes, really), I don't know that I want Vince Kehres.  I'm sure I'll get crushed for this, but I would've rather had Matt Campbell or Jason Candle when they were coaching names coming from Mount Union (Toledo got them both).

Here's my logic.  Vince learned from maybe the greatest college football coach of all time, I grant you that.  He also walked into a program that was already competing for a national title every year and can recruit guys just by showing them a jersey and saying "This is the number you'll wear when we win a national championship."  But how many wins does he have when he isn't better at every position or almost every position on the field?  And how many losses does he have when the teams are close to evenly matched?  Kent State is Wilmington, if you want to make an OAC reference.  One guy (Darrell Hazel) has had success there in the last 35 years.  It's a huge challenge. 

After JCU beat Mount last year a Mount fan texted me:  Tom Arth has always been a better in game coach than Vince.  Now he's got the players to match.

I'm glad that Vince is the coach at Mount, but I agree with Toph on this one.   Larry proved numerous times that he could beat you with lesser talent.  Vince hasn't done that yet and is still learning how to be a HC.   Just last week he showed his inexperience by chasing 2 point conversions way too early in the game.   

[section13raiderfan]

Kent State had a coach named Dean Pees. He had little success turning that team into a winner and he knew his stuff.  Kent let him go. Then the man volunteered to be an unpaid coach for Larry Kehres. Larry accepted. I dont care if Bill Belichek  coached KSU, there is no expectation of a winning season there amongst ANYBODY. Vince Kehres being interested in that job would be motivated by the paycheck only. And then he would get exactly what he deserved for going that route. Dean Pees is an   NFL coach now, he knew the game when he coached at KSU. It was a stepping stone to a better job when he took it. it still is.  Best to realize that when you throw your hat into that ring.

[wally_wabash]

Kent State had a coach named Dean Pees. He had little success turning that team into a winner and he knew his stuff.  Kent let him go. Then the man volunteered to be an unpaid coach for Larry Kehres. Larry accepted. I dont care if Bill Belichek  coached KSU, there is no expectation of a winning season there amongst ANYBODY. Vince Kehres being interested in that job would be motivated by the paycheck only. And then he would get exactly what he deserved for going that route. Dean Pees is an   NFL coach now, he knew the game when he coached at KSU. It was a stepping stone to a better job when he took it. it still is.  Best to realize that when you throw your hat into that ring.

Bottomless wealth?  Tough consequences for sure.   

[SaintsFAN]

Sorry if already mentioned, but I came across this article on the Kent State head coaching search (which has been a very strange one, btw). 

<<There has been some chatter about Mount Union head coach Vince Kehres being a candidate once his season is complete. The Purple Raiders will play for their 13th national championship against Mary Hardin-Baylor on Friday night. At this time we're told there has not been contact (which is surprising given the number of coaches who have been contacted) but we also hear that Kehres would listen if contacted after the season.>>

Full article on the search here

http://footballscoop.com/news/update-kent-state/

Beat you by one minute. 😉

Yikes the fact it said "he would listen" is a bit worrying to me.

This comes from a JCU grad who has an older brother that graduated from Mount, has been to the Stagg Bowl to watch Mount Union probably 8 or more times, and has nothing but respect for the Mount program and the Kehres family. 

As a Kent State fan (yes, really), I don't know that I want Vince Kehres.  I'm sure I'll get crushed for this, but I would've rather had Matt Campbell or Jason Candle when they were coaching names coming from Mount Union (Toledo got them both).

Here's my logic.  Vince learned from maybe the greatest college football coach of all time, I grant you that.  He also walked into a program that was already competing for a national title every year and can recruit guys just by showing them a jersey and saying "This is the number you'll wear when we win a national championship."  But how many wins does he have when he isn't better at every position or almost every position on the field?  And how many losses does he have when the teams are close to evenly matched?  Kent State is Wilmington, if you want to make an OAC reference.  One guy (Darrell Hazel) has had success there in the last 35 years.  It's a huge challenge. 

After JCU beat Mount last year a Mount fan texted me:  Tom Arth has always been a better in game coach than Vince.  Now he's got the players to match.

I'm glad that Vince is the coach at Mount, but I agree with Toph on this one.   Larry proved numerous times that he could beat you with lesser talent.  Vince hasn't done that yet and is still learning how to be a HC.   Just last week he showed his inexperience by chasing 2 point conversions way too early in the game.

And the clock management part in the Final 2 minutes of the 1st half.

[Toph]

Kent State had a coach named Dean Pees. He had little success turning that team into a winner and he knew his stuff.  Kent let him go. Then the man volunteered to be an unpaid coach for Larry Kehres. Larry accepted. I dont care if Bill Belichek  coached KSU, there is no expectation of a winning season there amongst ANYBODY. Vince Kehres being interested in that job would be motivated by the paycheck only. And then he would get exactly what he deserved for going that route. Dean Pees is an   NFL coach now, he knew the game when he coached at KSU. It was a stepping stone to a better job when he took it. it still is.  Best to realize that when you throw your hat into that ring.

Bottomless wealth?  Tough consequences for sure.

I say again...how much do you guys think Kent State pays?  Their last coach got $1.9 million over the life of his contract.  That's a lot of money, I am not suggesting it isn't.  But that's hardly bottomless.  In fact...one could hit bottom pretty quickly.

EDIT: re: Pees - again...actual Kent State fan here.  Dean Pees is a nice guy by all accounts, and a smart football guy.  He's also not a head coach.  Like many folks before him, making the jump from coordinator to head coach proved that he's not a head coach.

[wally_wabash]

Kent State had a coach named Dean Pees. He had little success turning that team into a winner and he knew his stuff.  Kent let him go. Then the man volunteered to be an unpaid coach for Larry Kehres. Larry accepted. I dont care if Bill Belichek  coached KSU, there is no expectation of a winning season there amongst ANYBODY. Vince Kehres being interested in that job would be motivated by the paycheck only. And then he would get exactly what he deserved for going that route. Dean Pees is an   NFL coach now, he knew the game when he coached at KSU. It was a stepping stone to a better job when he took it. it still is.  Best to realize that when you throw your hat into that ring.

Bottomless wealth?  Tough consequences for sure.

I say again...how much do you guys think Kent State pays?  Their last coach got $1.9 million over the life of his contract.  That's a lot of money, I am not suggesting it isn't.  But that's hardly bottomless.  In fact...one could hit bottom pretty quickly.

EDIT: re: Pees - again...actual Kent State fan here.  Dean Pees is a nice guy by all accounts, and a smart football guy.  He's also not a head coach.  Like many folks before him, making the jump from coordinator to head coach proved that he's not a head coach.

But he is an NFL DC and probably has two commas in his annual salary.  It's not just about what Kent State pays, it's about plugging in to the FBS (and up) football economy.  Kent State might not be a forever job with a forever payout, but all of the stuff that is available after Kent State is. 

[edward de vere]

Re Kent State:  Of course you can win at Kent State, if you're great.  Does anybody think that a young Nick Saban or a young Urban Meyer or even a young Dabo Swinney - coaches without the benefit of the reputations they have today - would FAIL there?  I sure don't.

Re VK:  I would agree, obviously, that he hasn't proven himself to the degree his old man has.  (Give me a break.  Who HAS?  Who's GOING to?)  However, I would like to point out three facts.

      1)  LK could overcome superior talent against Shades Keeler.  But he had the same problems against Leipold as VK did.  2)  VK missed the Stagg Bowl last year by TWO points, without a big talent advantage AND with a third-string freshman QB going against a first-string senior QB.  That was some serious coaching IMHO.  3)  Mount Union's second half five days ago.

None of this means I think VK would succeed at Kent State.  I'm just saying the man can coach.

Re VK again:  The two-point conversion choice last week was brutal.  But VK's always been a bit  more aggressive than LK in special-teams situations.  Unless he changes, we just have to live with it, unfortunately.

[gizzmo13]

if JEM catches the ball, the first 2 pt conversion would a been successful, although I do believe there was a penalty anyway..............  second one was a cluster F??k!