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[section13raiderfan]

About the 2 pt debacle, thats football.... forgivable unless you see a pattern of reckless ball handling forming. About the bottomless riches.... if money is all that makes you happy then by all means, go for it. I know a guy who makes more money than me but has Job you couldnt give me if it came with a guarantee of eventual sainthood. Hes happy though. KSU is a study in frustration. I wouldnt take that job if they named the stadium after me. Its gonna be a tough job hire.

[section13raiderfan]

You know, Don James started his career at KSU. So its possible to go on to better tings from there. But did you ever notice that when he broadcasts a college game and he talks about his experiences, he doesnt mention his time at Kent.

[Small but Slow]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.
The clock management issues are partially a product of few competitive games.  Clock management isn't an issue when you're up by 35, for most, anyhow. 
Taking the KSU job is about more than money.  It may be a crappy FCS job, but it's still a good stepping stone if VK wants to coach at the highest levels.  Not many coaches get the opportunity to become HC at the FCS level straight from D3.

[wally_wabash]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.

One other thing in play there might have been the timing and the impending change of direction.  They might have thought it was critical to get it to 3 before the end of the 3rd quarter.  I'm not saying that's right or that the math makes any sense, but if there's ever a thing that some coaches way overthink, it's the wind.  I've seen wind make coaches do silly stuff. 

[Small but Slow]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.

One other thing in play there might have been the timing and the impending change of direction.  They might have thought it was critical to get it to 3 before the end of the 3rd quarter.  I'm not saying that's right or that the math makes any sense, but if there's ever a thing that some coaches way overthink, it's the wind.  I've seen wind make coaches do silly stuff.

That's true, but in retrospect, Fulford threw pretty we going into the wind in the fourth.  Wind has been a big factor in many Mount games in the past, including the 2015 Stagg Bowl.

[WRMUalum13]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.
The clock management issues are partially a product of few competitive games.  Clock management isn't an issue when you're up by 35, for most, anyhow. 
Taking the KSU job is about more than money.  It may be a crappy FCS job, but it's still a good stepping stone if VK wants to coach at the highest levels.  Not many coaches get the opportunity to become HC at the FCS level straight from D3.

Kent is FBS believe it or not

[Small but Slow]

That's correct, my error, I get the two confused.

[raiderpa]

The other negative about Kent is that, like most schools their size they throw a major power  5 game or two on the schedule for money and it is not only a loss, but a physical mismatch that can create injuries that cost you down the road. No Kent coach in his right mind wants to open with Penn State, LSU, etc...

[raiderpa]

Three of their first four games next year are Illinois, Penn State, and Ole Miss...
Half the team will be on the injured reserve list by week 5 and their will be 1 and 3 or 0-4

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.
The clock management issues are partially a product of few competitive games.  Clock management isn't an issue when you're up by 35, for most, anyhow. 
Taking the KSU job is about more than money.  It may be a crappy FCS job, but it's still a good stepping stone if VK wants to coach at the highest levels.  Not many coaches get the opportunity to become HC at the FCS level straight from D3.

Kent is FBS believe it or not

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

The decision to go for two was based on the five point rule, which I wouldn't have applied until later in the fourth quarter based on the game being high scoring.
The clock management issues are partially a product of few competitive games.  Clock management isn't an issue when you're up by 35, for most, anyhow. 
Taking the KSU job is about more than money.  It may be a crappy FCS job, but it's still a good stepping stone if VK wants to coach at the highest levels.  Not many coaches get the opportunity to become HC at the FCS level straight from D3.

Kent is FBS believe it or not

Could UMU or UMHB compete against Kent State (serious questions, I haven't seen the Golden Flashes play for a few years)?  Or would it be a total mismatch, KSU having scholarship players and all?

[MUC57]

K & J 's Dad

UMU or UMHB take Kent. Kent is, well, Kent is, ah, Kent's not good! Just my opinion.

[joelmama]

I have my company Christmas Friday. I'm really hoping they have ESPN U at the restaurant!

Get that ESPN app!

I should! But there is something fun about the idea of subjecting my coworkers to D3 football!

They should be so lucky! 


But I'd still have that app just in case.   

I subject my whole company  to Mount Stuff every year around this time.  Tomorrow is our Christmas party and last weeks game will be on the big screen in the background.

[joelmama]

Kent State had a coach named Dean Pees. He had little success turning that team into a winner and he knew his stuff.  Kent let him go. Then the man volunteered to be an unpaid coach for Larry Kehres. Larry accepted. I dont care if Bill Belichek  coached KSU, there is no expectation of a winning season there amongst ANYBODY. Vince Kehres being interested in that job would be motivated by the paycheck only. And then he would get exactly what he deserved for going that route. Dean Pees is an   NFL coach now, he knew the game when he coached at KSU. It was a stepping stone to a better job when he took it. it still is.  Best to realize that when you throw your hat into that ring.

Bottomless wealth?  Tough consequences for sure.

I say again...how much do you guys think Kent State pays?  Their last coach got $1.9 million over the life of his contract.  That's a lot of money, I am not suggesting it isn't.  But that's hardly bottomless.  In fact...one could hit bottom pretty quickly.

EDIT: re: Pees - again...actual Kent State fan here.  Dean Pees is a nice guy by all accounts, and a smart football guy.  He's also not a head coach.  Like many folks before him, making the jump from coordinator to head coach proved that he's not a head coach.

the Kent coach is likely to get about $600K per year for 3-4 years.  For Ed Warriner it would be a level move financially.  For Vince Kehres it would be 4X at least.

[WRMUalum13]

That's correct, my error, I get the two confused.

I mean I don't think they could compete in some FCS conferences either so it's an easy mistake haha