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Ralph Turner

Quote from: desertraider on December 16, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
On the weather......I don't care. Seriously. let's say the game is in Texas and Mount loses. Whats the reaction to "the weather was so warm and dry, no wind, Mount's not used to seeing that".

It was cold and windy. It's part of football.

Oh and weather wasn't an issue last year when UMHB won...over Wisconsin Oshkosh...it was 27 degrees and they beat a "cold weather" team.
My comment is physiological in nature.

Teams who are accustomed to cold weather and have bodies that have acclimated to the environment do have an advantage.

I specifically mentioned "Weather Neutral", 50-65 degrees. 25 degress above that range  = 90 degrees. Advantage UMHB (and thank you to Linfield when they have come to Texas in September for games against HSU and UMHB.)

25 degrees below that range is 25 degrees. Advantage UMU.

Bryce Wilkerson was said to have leg cramps due to dehydration. He was not aware of his not drinking enough in the different environment.

The physiological change that UMHB could achieve with practicing for several autumns and living in winter climes for several is to induce the production of more brown fat cells and the resultant activity of warming due to brown fat in the body. This fat generates heat more efficiently than other parts of the body.

My radiologist friend reviews PET scans for cancer patients at MD Anderson. He comments on brown fat making it harder for him to find cancer metastases (cancer cells that have spread outside the original area of the tumor). Brown fat lights up and burns glucose that high rates, just like cancer cells.

My guess is that in an equal series playing 20 games in each environment,

UMHB would win 11 games out of 20 in 90 degree weather, and

UMU would win 11 games out of 20 in 25 degree weather.

As for last night, UMU got 'er done!

If ifs and buts
were candy and nuts,
we'd all have a Merry Christmas.  Don Meredith

Desertraider

I get your point Ralph - but like I said, the weather didn't seem to affect UMHB last year. In addition Bryce Wilkerson played in it last year. He didn't know about hydration...the Coaches do. The Trainers do. And they were there last year as well. UMHB played a great game and they lost. I just don't think it was the weather that caused it.
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Quote from: edward de vere on December 16, 2017, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 16, 2017, 06:47:19 PM

Once all the celebrations are completed, it is time for returning player's analysis for 2018.


Are we concerned about any underclassmen (two in particular) moving up to scholarship football?

Yeah... seems like an incredibly risky strategy, unless a coach offered them a scholarship, but I don't believe you can poach lower divisions like that

Desertraider

Quote from: emma17 on December 16, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
Some may say Fulford's TD pass should have been picked and as such, Mt got a bit lucky. The same applies to UMHB. Hill beat the D and was open, UMHB was a bit lucky Fulford underthrew it.

Anyone hear from Merle? Does he need bail money?
How about MUC 57- is he ok?

Good point Emma. Hill beat the D in the corner and Fulford under threw it. He puts it into the back of the endzone (5 yards further) and that is a TD instead of a pick. Add to that Cole Moxie. Good lord - if he doesn't stop to jump and keeps running, that's another one. Mount was 2 brain farts away from that being another 14 and a final of 26-0.
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raiderpa

I really think the game got into WIlkerson's head as well.  After the voided TD and the great coverage, he started pressing and getting frustrated.

emma17

Wow, Ralph provided the greatest scientific explanation for an offenses inability to perform that I've ever read.
I don't know how to say this without sounding cruel, but apparently there is a big difference between brown fat and regular, my kind of fat, like four of UMHB's offensive linemen have.
I saw Mt's D take the game over in the second half, especially in the fourth quarter, as they outworked the UMHB O line.

Unless the UMHB O linemen got themselves in better shape for the 90 degree game, my guess is they'd get beat even worse by Mt.
At which point I'd imagine another scientific explanation would be shared.


Desertraider

Quote from: raiderpa on December 16, 2017, 10:24:14 PM
I really think the game got into WIlkerson's head as well.  After the voided TD and the great coverage, he started pressing and getting frustrated.

But he sure could talk. Man if only the cramping would have been in the jaw.  ;D
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edward de vere

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Quote from: emma17 on December 16, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
Wow, Ralph provided the greatest scientific explanation for an offenses inability to perform that I've ever read.
I don't know how to say this without sounding cruel, but apparently there is a big difference between brown fat and regular, my kind of fat, like four of UMHB's offensive linemen have.
I saw Mt's D take the game over in the second half, especially in the fourth quarter, as they outworked the UMHB O line.

Unless the UMHB O linemen got themselves in better shape for the 90 degree game, my guess is they'd get beat even worse by Mt.
At which point I'd imagine another scientific explanation would be shared.

And in the blink of an eye, four football players and an intertubes poster get . . . disemboweled.

:o

Ralph Turner

Quote from: emma17 on December 16, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
Wow, Ralph provided the greatest scientific explanation for an offenses inability to perform that I've ever read.
I don't know how to say this without sounding cruel, but apparently there is a big difference between brown fat and regular, my kind of fat, like four of UMHB's offensive linemen have.
I saw Mt's D take the game over in the second half, especially in the fourth quarter, as they outworked the UMHB O line.

Unless the UMHB O linemen got themselves in better shape for the 90 degree game, my guess is they'd get beat even worse by Mt.
At which point I'd imagine another scientific explanation would be shared.
emma17, I am glad that this is a D3 message board where my friends and fellow posters can express and comprehend coherent thoughts and rise above monosyllabic emoji-engorged utterances.   ;)  (Go look at the message board at D2football.com some time!)

No, in the second half, the game just wore on.  (As you could tell, I only threw a 10% variance in my hypothetical scenario to cold weather.)

As covered in the post game podcast, TJ Josey was injured. Backup QB Kyle Jones was swallowed by the UMU defense, twice! That is when the game began to wear on UMHB. I do think that UMU did get into the heads of some of the players who had a 29 game win streak going.  Ten points started to look like 50!

The wind was a huge factor. We can get some nasty winds in Texas, like the 2008 UWW Semifinal in Belton where the second half kickoff into the wind went back over the heads of UMHB, the kicking team! A 12-10 UWW halftime lead went on to a 39-13 monkey stomp. We ought to give partial credit for the safety to the punter!

You hate to lose a close one. The podcast mentioned that Coach Kehres watched the 2016 video 10 times.  Maybe we see UMU in Texas next year.

pradierguy

Quote from: edward de vere on December 16, 2017, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 16, 2017, 06:47:19 PM

Once all the celebrations are completed, it is time for returning player's analysis for 2018.


Are we concerned about any underclassmen (two in particular) moving up to scholarship football?

I was thinking about that with Hill. At this point his best "business decision" would be to stay put and be THE MAN for two years with a really good QB rather than transferring to some MAC school and being just another guy. He can truly stand out at Mount and get better glances from the NFL, if that's his true hope and plan.

That being said, scholarships and free schooling and big time football have to be in the conversation.

HScoach

Transferring up also includes sitting out a year.  Scholarship offer or not, sitting your 3rd year of college is a tough pill to swallow.
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merlecanlas

Quote from: emma17 on December 16, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
Some may say Fulford's TD pass should have been picked and as such, Mt got a bit lucky. The same applies to UMHB. Hill beat the D and was open, UMHB was a bit lucky Fulford underthrew it.

Anyone hear from Merle? Does he need bail money?
How about MUC 57- is he ok?

at my advanced age, it takes me a little bit longer to recover from Stagg Bowl weekends.

skunks_sidekick

Random musings...

As WD said it was just too darn cold for tailgating, especially when you are old whimps like my crew is.  Kudos to the one Mount student tailgate who brought their own DJ, and were dancing in the parking lot aisle.  That was awesome!  Also, kudos to the VT guys that have been coming to the Stagg Bowl for all those years, and really know how to tailgate and have fun.  They have adopted Mount as their little cousins.  I heard from others that the country music entertainer was good, but between staying in the car with the heat on, and not really following country music, I couldn't comment one way or another.

I got to meet Wilkerson's family & significant other after the game in the restaurant, and they were very gracious and a nice group.  I didn't get a chance to see Pat/Keith/or any of the D-3 group, but that probably had more to do with our arrival time and the cold then anything else.

I am guessing that if there is anything to the rumor about VK and Kent, we will hear something in the next week.  Could be an interesting time at Mount if something were to happen on that front.



merlecanlas

Quote from: Raider 68 on December 16, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
K & J's Dad,

Once all the celebrations are completed, it is time for returning player's analysis for 2018.


Mount will be loaded

QB - Fulford
RB - Petro, JEM
FB - Fornaro
WR - Hill, Ruth, Herrington
TE - Moxie
OL - Daniel, Klaus, Sherman

P - Snyder
KR - Littlejohn
PR - Cox, Ruth

DB - Brown, Berry, White, Cox, Brish
LB - Robinson, Williams, O' Hara
DL - no starters returning, but some of the young guys played well (McComb, Roesch, Brunson)


Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 17, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
Random musings...

As WD said it was just too darn cold for tailgating, especially when you are old whimps like my crew is.  Kudos to the one Mount student tailgate who brought their own DJ, and were dancing in the parking lot aisle.  That was awesome! 


That wasn't a student tailgate, those Purple Suit alumni just know how to throw a party.   ;D 

skunks_sidekick

Quote from: merlecanlas on December 17, 2017, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 16, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
K & J's Dad,

Once all the celebrations are completed, it is time for returning player's analysis for 2018.


Mount will be loaded

QB - Fulford
RB - Petro, JEM
FB - Fornaro
WR - Hill, Ruth, Herrington
TE - Moxie
OL - Daniel, Klaus, Sherman

P - Snyder
KR - Littlejohn
PR - Cox, Ruth

DB - Brown, Berry, White, Cox, Brish
LB - Robinson, Williams, O' Hara
DL - no starters returning, but some of the young guys played well (McComb, Roesch, Brunson)


Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 17, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
Random musings...

As WD said it was just too darn cold for tailgating, especially when you are old whimps like my crew is.  Kudos to the one Mount student tailgate who brought their own DJ, and were dancing in the parking lot aisle.  That was awesome! 


That wasn't a student tailgate, those Purple Suit alumni just know how to throw a party.   ;D

HA HA!  I should have known!