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[Craft_Beermeister]

No disrespect at all. I said he made a great catch. He did. I am not arguing anything about the safety. It was a safety. There is no excuse, UMU made plays and won the game.

UMU played a great defensive ball game and shut down The CRU offense. UMHB's defense played a very good game and, IMO, did miss making a play on the ball and the UMU receiver made a great catch. I am entitled to my opinion, right? That play, in particular, did not make a difference in the grand scheme of the game. The FG is all that was needed to win.

However, since we don't want to disrespect Mount intentionally or unintentionally, if it will make you happy: Hill beat both defenders, he was wide open and Fulford rifled a bullet that only Hill could catch. The pair made the UMHB look silly on that play. All Hail the Purple Raiders, UMHB never had a chance. UMU was merciful and put a governor on its Ferrari of an offense so as not to embarrass The CRU in the final Stagg Bowl in Salem. Thank you UMU for being so gracious. Please allow us to kiss any one of your 13 rings.

I've watched probably a couple dozen Stagg Bowl games over the years and last Friday's was one of the best, very entertaining.  Extremely hard fought game under adverse conditions.  The game ended with both teams (players and coaches) having a lot of respect for each other and from all I've read and heard both sides expressed respect for the effort and skills of the other team's players.  Unfortunately not all of the fans are so gracious. 

The game made be proud to continue to say I'm a fan of D3 Football.

[Pat Coleman]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

[joelmama]

I have  no problem with Fulford being overlooked.   The pending legal issues eliminated any chance.  Plus the Mount QB also had a bit of "system" to overcome when it comes to national awards.   Even the most average of QB's put up good numbers playing for Mount against the OAC.

Moving forward he'll also have to compete with Germinero who is also a sophomore and put up similar numbers against MHB with a  less talented supporting cast.

I have to disagree.  Its not the Gagliardi award.  If that were the case of course I wouldn't consider him for it.  The All American list is for on the field issues only.  And obviously based on that he should have been no worse than 2nd or 3rd team.  Especially since NOBODY that votes for this award knows any details of what actually happened.  A lot of people are assuming that the young man is guilty of something very serious.  This may be the case, or it may be something much less serious than what is assumed.  I suspect the latter.

[wally_wabash]

I have  no problem with Fulford being overlooked.   The pending legal issues eliminated any chance.  Plus the Mount QB also had a bit of "system" to overcome when it comes to national awards.   Even the most average of QB's put up good numbers playing for Mount against the OAC.

Moving forward he'll also have to compete with Germinero who is also a sophomore and put up similar numbers against MHB with a  less talented supporting cast.

I have to disagree.  Its not the Gagliardi award.  If that were the case of course I wouldn't consider him for it.  The All American list is for on the field issues only. And obviously based on that he should have been no worse than 2nd or 3rd team.

The joelmama All-American Team can have whatever criteria it wants.  I don't think it's fair to say what D3football.com did or didn't factor in and evaluate with their team. 

[joelmama]

I have  no problem with Fulford being overlooked.   The pending legal issues eliminated any chance.  Plus the Mount QB also had a bit of "system" to overcome when it comes to national awards.   Even the most average of QB's put up good numbers playing for Mount against the OAC.

Moving forward he'll also have to compete with Germinero who is also a sophomore and put up similar numbers against MHB with a  less talented supporting cast.

I have to disagree.  Its not the Gagliardi award.  If that were the case of course I wouldn't consider him for it.  The All American list is for on the field issues only. And obviously based on that he should have been no worse than 2nd or 3rd team.

The joelmama All-American Team can have whatever criteria it wants.  I don't think it's fair to say what D3football.com did or didn't factor in and evaluate with their team.

Don't you think it is obvious that they factored this in?  Assuming there was no issue wouldn't you assume those kind of numbers (which even at Mount are crazy good) would have qualified him for some recognition?  Let's look at the numbers the TD to interception ratio, the leading all divisions of college football (by a lot in QB rating), leading a team to a NC etc.  I dare say you cannot find any QB at any level of college football that has put these types of numbers (in comparison to the competitors) and not made some significant AA honor even HM.

So yes I think it is fair to say that was THE factor.  The panel of D3 that votes is a very well informed group.  You cannot look at the people that were selected and not include Fulford based on the on the field actions IMO.

Another way to look at this would be to compare him to previous Mount Union All American QB's.  In the last 25 years Mount has had 14 All American Quarterbacks.  In passing efficiency for every QB that has had at least 50 attempts in Mount Union history Fulford is #1.  Even Borchert's year of 1997 when he had something like 63 TD passes and 2 or 3 interceptions and a approximately 70% completion ratio is behind Fulford's efficiency ratio.  If you look at TD's alone he ranks in fifth place of these top QB's.  I am not saying he should have been first team because the winner was really good, but not putting him in the top 4 doesn't add up unless it was purely on speculation on what might have happened in Florida a couple years ago.

[Blutarsky]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

[wally_wabash]

I have  no problem with Fulford being overlooked.   The pending legal issues eliminated any chance.  Plus the Mount QB also had a bit of "system" to overcome when it comes to national awards.   Even the most average of QB's put up good numbers playing for Mount against the OAC.

Moving forward he'll also have to compete with Germinero who is also a sophomore and put up similar numbers against MHB with a  less talented supporting cast.

I have to disagree.  Its not the Gagliardi award.  If that were the case of course I wouldn't consider him for it.  The All American list is for on the field issues only. And obviously based on that he should have been no worse than 2nd or 3rd team.

The joelmama All-American Team can have whatever criteria it wants.  I don't think it's fair to say what D3football.com did or didn't factor in and evaluate with their team.

Don't you think it is obvious that they factored this in?  Assuming there was no issue wouldn't you assume those kind of numbers (which even at Mount are crazy good) would have qualified him for some recognition?

My point wasn't whether they did or didn't.  My point was that it's their prerogative to do so because it's their team with their logo on it.  Fulford was 3rd team all-region.  It's really, really hard to be an All-American when you're already third on the depth chart out of your own region. 

[merlecanlas]

I have  no problem with Fulford being overlooked.   The pending legal issues eliminated any chance.  Plus the Mount QB also had a bit of "system" to overcome when it comes to national awards.   Even the most average of QB's put up good numbers playing for Mount against the OAC.

Moving forward he'll also have to compete with Germinero who is also a sophomore and put up similar numbers against MHB with a  less talented supporting cast.

I have to disagree.  Its not the Gagliardi award.  If that were the case of course I wouldn't consider him for it.  The All American list is for on the field issues only. And obviously based on that he should have been no worse than 2nd or 3rd team.

The joelmama All-American Team can have whatever criteria it wants.  I don't think it's fair to say what D3football.com did or didn't factor in and evaluate with their team.

No no no, it's obvious that the QB from Lakeland (wherever that is) from (whatever conference)  had a much, much better year than Fulford.  Burton from Franklin threw for 43/4 in 11 games in the mighty..(whatever conference is in Indiana), thats better than 50/5 in 14 games vs a better conference and actual playoff teams, and Joe Gianino's from Crockpot State threw for 27 whole TD's  this year.  How could Fulford possibly be ahead of all of these tremendous D3 QB's?

[Pat Coleman]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

Indeed. But the Stagg isn't played in July.

People talking about the All-American quarterback situation aren't also talking about the fact that he was third in the All-Region voting, which is about 25% D3football.com staff and the rest from SIDs in the region. (And coaches' evaluations considered for offensive linemen.) Burton and Whitley did great things as well this season, with much lesser supporting casts.

[joelmama]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

Indeed. But the Stagg isn't played in July.

People talking about the All-American quarterback situation aren't also talking about the fact that he was third in the All-Region voting, which is about 25% D3football.com staff and the rest from SIDs in the region. (And coaches' evaluations considered for offensive linemen.) Burton and Whitley did great things as well this season, with much lesser supporting casts.

If you were choosing a team which one would you choose on your team?  The others might have had much less supporting cast, but they also played almost no games with high pressure.  Beating Osh-Kosh and beating UMHB etc shows a lot more high end skill IMO.

I have said enough.  I think this site does a great job and I love the information and I subscribe to the kickoff to support it, but in this case I think they made an error. 

[wally_wabash]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

Indeed. But the Stagg isn't played in July.

People talking about the All-American quarterback situation aren't also talking about the fact that he was third in the All-Region voting, which is about 25% D3football.com staff and the rest from SIDs in the region. (And coaches' evaluations considered for offensive linemen.) Burton and Whitley did great things as well this season, with much lesser supporting casts.

If you were choosing a team which one would you choose on your team?  The others might have had much less supporting cast, but they also played almost no games with high pressure.  Beating Osh-Kosh and beating UMHB etc shows a lot more high end skill IMO.

I have said enough.  I think this site does a great job and I love the information and I subscribe to the kickoff to support it, but in this case I think they made an error.

I wouldn't go too crazy leveraging the Stagg Bowl.  12-21, 137, 1TD , 2INT isn't a particularly awesome stat line.  There's obviously a lot of talent there, but Friday wasn't a great game for him. 

[merlecanlas]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

Indeed. But the Stagg isn't played in July.

People talking about the All-American quarterback situation aren't also talking about the fact that he was third in the All-Region voting, which is about 25% D3football.com staff and the rest from SIDs in the region. (And coaches' evaluations considered for offensive linemen.) Burton and Whitley did great things as well this season, with much lesser supporting casts.

If you were choosing a team which one would you choose on your team?  The others might have had much less supporting cast, but they also played almost no games with high pressure.  Beating Osh-Kosh and beating UMHB etc shows a lot more high end skill IMO.

I have said enough.  I think this site does a great job and I love the information and I subscribe to the kickoff to support it, but in this case I think they made an error.

I wouldn't go too crazy leveraging the Stagg Bowl.  12-21, 137, 1TD , 2INT isn't a particularly awesome stat line.  There's obviously a lot of talent there, but Friday wasn't a great game for him.

Of course the other D3 all-american QB's would have done better.......Kasper...didn't make it but last year was ugly, Gianino...lost, Burton...didn't make it out of the 1st rd, Lakeland kid....don't be silly

[joelmama]

it's going to stink for Mount to lose the best DL in the nation.  But with pretty much everything else coming back, can Mount be a unanimous preseason #1 in 2018?

They got my vote this July and I assume they'd get mine next July, too.

Pat--You voted UMU #1 in July, but picked against them in the Stagg?

Indeed. But the Stagg isn't played in July.

People talking about the All-American quarterback situation aren't also talking about the fact that he was third in the All-Region voting, which is about 25% D3football.com staff and the rest from SIDs in the region. (And coaches' evaluations considered for offensive linemen.) Burton and Whitley did great things as well this season, with much lesser supporting casts.

If you were choosing a team which one would you choose on your team?  The others might have had much less supporting cast, but they also played almost no games with high pressure.  Beating Osh-Kosh and beating UMHB etc shows a lot more high end skill IMO.

I have said enough.  I think this site does a great job and I love the information and I subscribe to the kickoff to support it, but in this case I think they made an error.

I wouldn't go too crazy leveraging the Stagg Bowl.  12-21, 137, 1TD , 2INT isn't a particularly awesome stat line.  There's obviously a lot of talent there, but Friday wasn't a great game for him.

I do not think the others would have had numbers that were even that high.  Tough conditions for all QB's.    So Iw ill ask you the question if you were starting a team and could have them for one year which of those three in the North region would you choose?

[merlecanlas]

as a Mount man, I think that I am cool with Fulford, Hill and Petro for two more years.  If Fulford has a chip on his shoulder in '18.....look out D3

[Desertraider]

1. I have no problem with Fulford being overlooked for the AA stuff but Cole Parrish That one I don't get.

One of the things we do to help us with linemen every year is we ask every coach in the country for their opinion as to who the best offensive lineman was that they saw. Obviously, none of us here can say with any certainty whether Parrish was better than Vic Rodriguez, but among coaches that faced Vic Rodriguez, the support was striking.

I can. He was.