FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[WRMUalum13]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

The fact that this is possible here is a feather in the cap of your alma mater. Perhaps accept that rather than disputing it.

Right?? That's what I said earlier this year. What an amazing recruiting pitch? Guys have transferred out to play d2 because they weren't good enough to play at Mount. Really diffuses any concerns about being only D3

[WRMUalum13]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

[merlecanlas]

on FS1 right now is a replay of the NFLPA All Star game featuring LS Andy Rieman of the National Champion Purple Raiders

[WRMUalum13]

on FS1 right now is a replay of the NFLPA All Star game featuring LS Andy Rieman of the National Champion Purple Raiders

I'm still amazed that NFL scouts were able to identify him as an elite long snapper, not exactly a position that stands out on a highlight reel. There must be some aspects of of speed and and placement of the snap that stand out to a trained eye.

[formerd3db]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.   

[WRMUalum13]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

You're probably right. I may have been to hard on Walsh

[Desertraider]

A lot of discussion on here and WIAC board about D3 to D2 or D1 and transfers and recruiting - the impact a D2 has on local D3's etc. I posted on their board that, IMO, a kid that picks say Walsh or Malone over Mount for the satisfaction of saying they are "on scholarship" doesn't concern me because they probably wouldn't make it at Mount anyway (or a UWW for that matter). I think we get caught up in "talent" or at least perceived talent at different levels and lose focus on the player. It takes more than talent to be a Raider. Granted Mount isn't lacking in talent - but the players at Mount have more than that. They need to be somewhat selfless, team first, and willing to play small parts - or even no parts - until they earn it. They even need to play small parts after they make it - Logan Nemeth Senior year, and getting tackles on kick off coverage. I think a kid concerned with the scholarship bragging rights - isn't a Mount kid to begin with and would probably not make it. That's why I don't worry about NDC, Walsh, Malone "poaching" recruits. Thoughts?

[HScoach]

D2's impact Mount when it comes to O-linemen as there are only so many 6'-2", 270 lbs kids coming out of high school.  There's plenty of skill people, but few large bodies for the line of scrimmage.

[formerd3db]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

You're probably right. I may have been to hard on Walsh

No problem.  You guys obviously are totally more familiar with those particular programs than I and probably most of my fellow MIAA'ers and, as such, I did not mean to say that it couldn't happen i.e. some coach there telling a recruit they would have playing time.  I just know, from what most of us experienced with Pifer (and/or were told by those who were "in the know" on a more daily basis with him) Pifer when he was in the MIAA at Trine and Olivet, that he is not like that/was unlikely to do so.  Good conversation topic going here, though you guys.

A lot of discussion on here and WIAC board about D3 to D2 or D1 and transfers and recruiting - the impact a D2 has on local D3's etc. I posted on their board that, IMO, a kid that picks say Walsh or Malone over Mount for the satisfaction of saying they are "on scholarship" doesn't concern me because they probably wouldn't make it at Mount anyway (or a UWW for that matter). I think we get caught up in "talent" or at least perceived talent at different levels and lose focus on the player. It takes more than talent to be a Raider. Granted Mount isn't lacking in talent - but the players at Mount have more than that. They need to be somewhat selfless, team first, and willing to play small parts - or even no parts - until they earn it. They even need to play small parts after they make it - Logan Nemeth Senior year, and getting tackles on kick off coverage. I think a kid concerned with the scholarship bragging rights - isn't a Mount kid to begin with and would probably not make it. That's why I don't worry about NDC, Walsh, Malone "poaching" recruits. Thoughts?

I believe you/agree with your opinions regarding Mount-again, you obviously know what goes on there.  At the same time, in regards to this topic, indeed, there are various factors that come into play with regard to the DII influence, talent, situation, etc.  I have posted this many times in similar discussion with our MIAA board posters...in our region, the DII schools have had a large  effect on recruiting for the MIAA schools over the past decade or so.  Perhaps unlike what you relate with regard to the talent issue, most of those who are offered the scholarship at DII are indeed very talented and can play at both the DIII schools and DII.  The problem then often indeed involves the economic issue.  As you well know, most of the MIAA schools now are pretty comparative as to the total costs (which is extremely expensive-not to mention the fact that many of your OAC schools are nearly $10,000 above that) and a) unless the player's parents can afford to send them to the DIII school and/or they receive enough need-based aid, which basically cuts the total cost in half (and thus makes it similar to attending one of the state universities without playing football) or b) the prospective recruit simply wants to go to that school and for a specific program with his parents finding someway to put them through, they will choose the DII scholarship, again assuming they are good enough to play at that level and many of them are.

An example, last year, if I recall the figures correctly (without checking right now), the total cost of attending Grand Valley State was about $18,900 per year.  With the DII limit of 35 full scholarships for football, in which most of those schools split those in half so that almost every player gets scholarship money, the "full ride" then being about $9,000 (of course, there are a number of undergraduate players who get less than that, in addition to a number of walk-ons), the obvious choice for many of those families who could not otherwise afford to go to the DIII school is they are going to chose the scholarship offer.  This is different than your Mount situation and in your region as you have discussed; again since most of these players in our region are more than good enough to play at both levels, although perhaps many would perhaps have to wait in line/their turn at Mount due to the immense numbers of high talented players who want to go there for all the reasons you (and your colleagues) have discussed.

And finally, the additional problem with regard to this situation in our region is that many of the DIII schools will simply not increase (and/or are unable to for whatever particular reason) their financial aid packages (of course, keeping within the legal parameters of DIII regulations/mandates) to compete with the DII schools.  Thus, we simply are not getting those kids anymore like we did many years ago and that, in part, IMO, is one of the reasons why the overall football talent level in the MIAA is not what it was back 2-3 decades ago (and many coaches in the MIAA are of this same opinion).  At any rate, again, a good discussion you guys have led here. Each region has their own factors involved.       

[Dr. Acula]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

Pifer is not the HC at Walsh.  He was one and done in N. Canton.  Resigned 3 weeks ago.

[merlecanlas]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

Pifer is not the HC at Walsh.  He was one and done in N. Canton.  Resigned 3 weeks ago.

lots of allegations regarding financial impropriety around N. Canton regarding the previous staff

[Dr. Acula]

It was odd timing for the resignation and even more so happening after only one year.  Definitely more to the story.

[formerd3db]

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

Pifer is not the HC at Walsh.  He was one and done in N. Canton.  Resigned 3 weeks ago.

lots of allegations regarding financial impropriety around N. Canton regarding the previous staff

It was odd timing for the resignation and even more so happening after only one year.  Definitely more to the story.

student athletes transfer "up" all of the time for playing time....ok.

I hope Dom Davis breaks all kinds of records at Walsh by winning 6 or 7 games in one, whole season.  But Mount beats Walsh by 20 and Malone by 30 if they lined up tomorrow.  Scholarships or not

That being said, let's get Duce in purple and white next year

I could definitely see a coach from Malone or Walsh guaranteeing a recruit playing time... not gonna happen at Mount. I have no doubt there are players on Walsh or Malone's roster who decided against Mount because they didn't think they'd get to play.

Perhaps one of the assistants might, however, I do not believe HC Dan Pifer at Walsh would do that.

Pifer is not the HC at Walsh.  He was one and done in N. Canton.  Resigned 3 weeks ago.

It was odd timing for the resignation and even more so happening after only one year.  Definitely more to the story.

Interesting.  I somehow missed hearing about that/did not know that.  Yet with regard to the discussion up to this point of being informed about this recent happening, my comments still stand with regard to what many of us knew/were aware of when he was in the MIAA.  That said, as to what happened at Walsh, it is unfortunate if there were improprieties regardless of whether it was due to assistants on the staff or the HC and, if any one of them did so, including Pifer, it would/will be very disappointing/sad (for any of them, but especially for Pifer I would believe).  However, I'm sure all of you would agree that it would be improper and not fair for any of us to pass judgement on any of them in the media (here or anywhere) until all the facts are revealed in the public forum (as much as they potentially can be legally to what/any degree the latter might be allowable).  Certainly as you say, there is more to the story and it will remain to be seen until the appropriate process plays out.

[merlecanlas]

I've heard that there was some misappropriations of funds related to their camp at Tom Benson Stadium.  No proof, but pretty good "sources" if you will

[joelmama]

However, I'm sure all of you would agree that it would be improper and not fair for any of us to pass judgement on any of them in the media (here or anywhere) until all the facts are revealed in the public forum (as much as they potentially can be legally to what/any degree the latter might be allowable).  Certainly as you say, there is more to the story and it will remain to be seen until the appropriate process plays out.

Most people are not believers of innocent until proven guilty.  Most (as in the Fulford case) think if you are charged with something you must be guilty.