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[merlecanlas]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


@JeffZupReview
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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.


followed up by a few references to Frostburg State being one of the two declining playoff teams by some 2017 Mount football players

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


@JeffZupReview
12h12 hours ago
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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.


followed up by a few references to Frostburg State being one of the two declining playoff teams by some 2017 Mount football players

No facts to backup that Frostburg State being one of the declining teams.  More like witty Banter between Zup and Cole Parish.

[merlecanlas]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


@JeffZupReview
12h12 hours ago
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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.


followed up by a few references to Frostburg State being one of the two declining playoff teams by some 2017 Mount football players

No facts to backup that Frostburg State being one of the declining teams.  More like witty Banter between Zup and Cole Parish.

I took the fact that Parish tweeted at the Frostburg HC to mean that they were likely not thrilled with the idea of coming to Alliance to get smoked again

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


@JeffZupReview
12h12 hours ago
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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.


followed up by a few references to Frostburg State being one of the two declining playoff teams by some 2017 Mount football players

No facts to backup that Frostburg State being one of the declining teams.  More like witty Banter between Zup and Cole Parish.

I took the fact that Parish tweeted at the Frostburg HC to mean that they were likely not thrilled with the idea of coming to Alliance to get smoked again

I don't know if a Tweet from a Player done with his eligibility constitutes inside knowledge of a fact.  But could be.

[wally_wabash]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.

I did a deep dive on this a few years ago to see if there was actually a program benefit to playing Mount Union in September as manifested through wins and losses.  I'd have to really scrub through the archives here to find that full breakdown, but IIRC, no, there really isn't.  There's UW-Whitewater as the gold standard example of what can happen after a team plays Mount Union in a non-league series.  And then there's literally every other team that plays against Mount Union and sees no long lasting W/L benefit.  Bad teams that play Mount Union generally stay bad (Averett, Bethany), good teams that play Mount Union generally stay good (Franklin, SJF).  Whitewater is/was the outlier and I think smart coaches know better than to think that just scheduling a home and home with Mount Union is the magic potion that transforms your 4 or 5 win team into a 9 or 10 win team in two years.  It really just doesn't work that way.  If it did, every HC in the division would be running over each other to schedule these games against Mount Union. 

Oshkosh is an interesting case because at the time they did their home and home with Mount Union they were on the rise, but not yet where they are now.  However, it's difficult to credit Mount Union for that rise because Whitewater (who Oshkosh plays annually, obviously), was the better team during that period. 

[USee]

It seems to me scheduling Mt Union as a young team on the rise may have some benefit. Having a young talented roster that goes against UMU can benefit those kids in how to play and win against the best. Outside of that I don't see any real benefit to taking an L.

[Pat Coleman]

Fulford's case in Florida was continued again today, now off into April. We were told (vociferously, at times) that this was such a slam dunk obvious case; why hasn't it been settled in two court dates in Florida?

[merlecanlas]

interesting tweets from Jeff Zupanic


@JeffZupReview
12h12 hours ago
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Mount Union @UMUFootball looking for opponents starting in 2022. The @purpleraiders contacted 3 playoff teams, 2 of them declined right away. A third says they might be interested. Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.

I did a deep dive on this a few years ago to see if there was actually a program benefit to playing Mount Union in September as manifested through wins and losses.  I'd have to really scrub through the archives here to find that full breakdown, but IIRC, no, there really isn't.  There's UW-Whitewater as the gold standard example of what can happen after a team plays Mount Union in a non-league series.  And then there's literally every other team that plays against Mount Union and sees no long lasting W/L benefit.  Bad teams that play Mount Union generally stay bad (Averett, Bethany), good teams that play Mount Union generally stay good (Franklin, SJF).  Whitewater is/was the outlier and I think smart coaches know better than to think that just scheduling a home and home with Mount Union is the magic potion that transforms your 4 or 5 win team into a 9 or 10 win team in two years.  It really just doesn't work that way.  If it did, every HC in the division would be running over each other to schedule these games against Mount Union. 

Oshkosh is an interesting case because at the time they did their home and home with Mount Union they were on the rise, but not yet where they are now.  However, it's difficult to credit Mount Union for that rise because Whitewater (who Oshkosh plays annually, obviously), was the better team during that period.

So does Mount schedule good OOC teams or weak OOC teams?  I swear all of 2017 I heard, Mount never plays anybody, always a weak schedule.  But now UWW - always good (check their record prior to 2003) , UWO - always good (check their record prior to 2010),  SJF - always good, Franklin - good.  If there is no advantage to playing the best, then why isn't Mount scheduling games against club teams and various faith-based colleges located in a strip mall?

Playing Mount doesn't automatically mean you will be a national power.  But seeing how the greatest college football dynasty operates and watching the winning coach of all time?  those things couldn't hurt a program.  UWW and UWO just happen to have resources available that other programs don't have.  Playing in a good conference as well as playing the #1 program undoubtedly helped them become perennial top programs.  Rose-Hulman looks to be a program trying to take the next step

Even if you lose, there's still a path to the playoffs and a national championship.  that's the beauty of D3

[merlecanlas]

Fulford's case in Florida was continued again today, now off into April. We were told (vociferously, at times) that this was such a slam dunk obvious case; why hasn't it been settled in two court dates in Florida?

is this going to be another front page story on d3football.com?  maybe a journalist(?) could put a call into his attorney or the county prosecutor, instead of asking for answers on d3boards?

[ITH radio]

Plenty of factual info from police report on our and @FrankRossi twitter account

[wally_wabash]

Some things to unpack here, so I'll break it up. 

So does Mount schedule good OOC teams or weak OOC teams? 

I think Mount Union plays whoever agrees to play Mount Union.  The smart thing that Mount Union has done is schedule their single elective game years and years in advance.  I don't know how forward thinking the scheduling is at someplace like Oshkosh or Whitewater where they constantly have trouble filling a non-league schedule, but I can promise you if Mount Union waited around until Feb. 2018 to schedule a game in Sept. 2018, they'd eventually find themselves in the position you ceaselessly mock- having to play no game, play a game against a fledgling D-III independent, or play a game against a non-division opponent.  No coach is seeking that situation out. 

I swear all of 2017 I heard, Mount never plays anybody, always a weak schedule. 

What you heard and what was said are almost never the same thing.  Sometimes there is criticism of Mount Union.  Criticism of their schedule is unfounded- knowledgeable people on these boards know that.  That you aren't able to filter out knowledgeable commentary from the rest is on you.  But I also don't think you want to filter out the nonsense.  Finding made up reasons to defend Mount Union against false criticisms is your fuel. 

But now UWW - always good (check their record prior to 2003) ,

I pretty specifically pointed out that UWW was the outlier in my analysis.  They are the one team that made the leap from ok to really good -and stayed there- after an elective OOC series with Mount Union.  No other team has had the same experience.  Why?  You answer your own question here...

UWW and UWO just happen to have resources available that other programs don't have.

There's 1,000 reasons other than just playing Mount Union that made these teams great.  Resources, coaches, institutional commitment are all way bigger factors to this than a two-game series with Mount Union. 

UWO - always good (check their record prior to 2010),  SJF - always good, Franklin - good.  If there is no advantage to playing the best, then why isn't Mount scheduling games against club teams and various faith-based colleges located in a strip mall?

Honestly don't know what your point is here other than to take another ignorant swipe at Oshkosh. 

Playing Mount doesn't automatically mean you will be a national power.  But seeing how the greatest college football dynasty operates and watching the winning coach of all time?  those things couldn't hurt a program.   Playing in a good conference as well as playing the #1 program undoubtedly helped them become perennial top programs. 

I do agree that there is benefit to getting a first hand look at the program.  But there's a really, really massive gulf that exists between "couldn't hurt a program" and this:

Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.

which is pure snake oil.  Step right up, play Mount Union and go to the playoffs!  That cause-and-effect relationship is not a real thing. 

Rose-Hulman looks to be a program trying to take the next step

It's a decent move at a decent time for RHIT to try this out.  But, at least from where I'm sitting, I can't see RHIT transforming into super-Franklin after this series.  At some point you gotta have the dudes to be a top 15-ish team and I'll stay unconvinced that RHIT will be able to wrangle a roster full of upper crust D3 dudes.  That's just going to be a reality at a place like RHIT. 

[merlecanlas]

Plenty of factual info from police report on our and @FrankRossi twitter account

not a good situation, not new news.  Nobody should be injured during hazing.  I don't think that the one document that was requested is damning evidence either way.

[merlecanlas]

Some things to unpack here, so I'll break it up. 

So does Mount schedule good OOC teams or weak OOC teams? 

I think Mount Union plays whoever agrees to play Mount Union.  The smart thing that Mount Union has done is schedule their single elective game years and years in advance.  I don't know how forward thinking the scheduling is at someplace like Oshkosh or Whitewater where they constantly have trouble filling a non-league schedule, but I can promise you if Mount Union waited around until Feb. 2018 to schedule a game in Sept. 2018, they'd eventually find themselves in the position you ceaselessly mock- having to play no game, play a game against a fledgling D-III independent, or play a game against a non-division opponent.  No coach is seeking that situation out. 

maybe those teams should try to schedule years in advance, or stop being lauded for their tough schedule

I swear all of 2017 I heard, Mount never plays anybody, always a weak schedule. 

What you heard and what was said are almost never the same thing.  Sometimes there is criticism of Mount Union.  Criticism of their schedule is unfounded- knowledgeable people on these boards know that.  That you aren't able to filter out knowledgeable commentary from the rest is on you.  But I also don't think you want to filter out the nonsense.  Finding made up reasons to defend Mount Union against false criticisms is your fuel. 

you're my new fuel

But now UWW - always good (check their record prior to 2003) ,

I pretty specifically pointed out that UWW was the outlier in my analysis.  They are the one team that made the leap from ok to really good -and stayed there- after an elective OOC series with Mount Union.  No other team has had the same experience.  Why?  You answer your own question here...

why omit the UWO statement I made exactly the same as the UWW statement? Was UWO ok or even good prior?

UWW and UWO just happen to have resources available that other programs don't have.

There's 1,000 reasons other than just playing Mount Union that made these teams great.  Resources, coaches, institutional commitment are all way bigger factors to this than a two-game series with Mount Union. 

sounds like we agree, are we becoming friends?

UWO - always good (check their record prior to 2010),  SJF - always good, Franklin - good.  If there is no advantage to playing the best, then why isn't Mount scheduling games against club teams and various faith-based colleges located in a strip mall?

Honestly don't know what your point is here other than to take another ignorant swipe at Oshkosh. 

you get me, we are friends aren't we?

Playing Mount doesn't automatically mean you will be a national power.  But seeing how the greatest college football dynasty operates and watching the winning coach of all time?  those things couldn't hurt a program.   Playing in a good conference as well as playing the #1 program undoubtedly helped them become perennial top programs. 

I do agree that there is benefit to getting a first hand look at the program.  But there's a really, really massive gulf that exists between "couldn't hurt a program" and this:

Selling point: Nearly every OOC team since 2000 has been in playoffs since playing MTU.

which is pure snake oil.  Step right up, play Mount Union and go to the playoffs!  That cause-and-effect relationship is not a real thing. 

we're becoming really good buddies aren't we?

Rose-Hulman looks to be a program trying to take the next step

It's a decent move at a decent time for RHIT to try this out.  But, at least from where I'm sitting, I can't see RHIT transforming into super-Franklin after this series.  At some point you gotta have the dudes to be a top 15-ish team and I'll stay unconvinced that RHIT will be able to wrangle a roster full of upper crust D3 dudes.  That's just going to be a reality at a place like RHIT.

[HScoach]

sigh......

[Pat Coleman]

Fulford's case in Florida was continued again today, now off into April. We were told (vociferously, at times) that this was such a slam dunk obvious case; why hasn't it been settled in two court dates in Florida?

is this going to be another front page story on d3football.com?  maybe a journalist(?) could put a call into his attorney or the county prosecutor, instead of asking for answers on d3boards?

Just so there's no mistake -- this wasn't part of our reporting process (that's what Frank Rossi was doing). This was me asking for commentary on a case you were sure was so open and shut that it would have shut easily in Florida.