FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[buddy34]

doesn't matter if meyer reported it to those above him. that he did nothing about the assistant for 3 years is grounds for dismissal.

[s e 76]

you must know all the facts

[HScoach]

What I know is he's a hypocrite.   He preaches integrity and to respect women.

Whether OSU has the balls to can him is debatable.   The fact that he's a black eye on the reputation of the university is not open for debate.

[raiderpa]

If they don't fire him they will never escape all that comes with the "typical football factory" stuff.  Like Florida right now..  A kid is arrested with a loaded AR-15 in the back seat and Dan Mullen says:  It's legal to possess a firearm in America....

[Sir Battlescars]

If they don't fire him they will never escape all that comes with the "typical football factory" stuff. 

When you say this are you talking about D1 or D3?
I'm just trying to keep this all straight.

[Desertraider]

If they don't fire him they will never escape all that comes with the "typical football factory" stuff. 

When you say this are you talking about D1 or D3?
I'm just trying to keep this all straight.

And by this you mean...what? Fulford? You're going to put a hazing incident (while very serious) by a 17 year old on the same level as a 34 year old man repeatedly beating the crap out of his wife? Maybe you are referring to Namdar's incident a few years back? He left the school for a year and did not play the year it happened. Maybe Jordan Hargrove? Did not play a down of put on the uniform after his alleged incidents took place.

As to the "you must know all the facts" - no. But the text messages from the wife to Zach Smith paint him in a much different light than his statements do.

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1025500090578939904/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1025500090578939904&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelantern.com%2F2018%2F08%2Ffootball-screenshot-of-text-message-allegedly-shows-zach-smith-admitting-to-abuse%2F

Sorry but my hyperlink ability sucks.

[section13raiderfan]

The law has legally mandated reporters. Football coaches are mandated reporters for their students. Employees? Not so much. The police gets that responsibility. The case went through that system already as far as it deemed appropriate. OSU s reporting policy is public relations dept driven. I see that as overstepping their authority. Nobody is accusing Urban of abusing bis wife or daughters, so he actually DOES practice what he preaches. Mr Smith is the one who has to accept blame for what HE did. The OSU reporting system is driven by $$$$.not piety. That is the real hypocracy here.

[purple]

  I saw Desertraider referenced the Roman Namdar case. He was found 'Not Guilty'  of assault. However, Mount Union felt the code of Student Conduct was violated and suspended him for a semester.  The alleged victim in Roman's case told the court she could not say he struck her. She pointed out he was in the middle of two drunken young men, trying to stop a fight.

[theaprof]

The law has legally mandated reporters. Football coaches are mandated reporters for their students. Employees? Not so much. The police gets that responsibility. The case went through that system already as far as it deemed appropriate. OSU s reporting policy is public relations dept driven. I see that as overstepping their authority. Nobody is accusing Urban of abusing bis wife or daughters, so he actually DOES practice what he preaches. Mr Smith is the one who has to accept blame for what HE did. The OSU reporting system is driven by $$$$.not piety. That is the real hypocracy here.

Check out the Title IX requirements.  All employees are required to report suspected violations to the proper university departments.  And the institutions are required to follow up with investigations.  If Ms. Meyer was aware, she should have reported it to university authorities--if she said anything about it to Coach Meyer, he was required to report it as well--as soon as he was made aware.

[Desertraider]

  I saw Desertraider referenced the Roman Namdar case. He was found 'Not Guilty'  of assault. However, Mount Union felt the code of Student Conduct was violated and suspended him for a semester.  The alleged victim in Roman's case told the court she could not say he struck her. She pointed out he was in the middle of two drunken young men, trying to stop a fight.

You are correct. I didn't go into his incident because the point was when it happened he did not dress. That is not a football factory move. Sure in hindsight one could argue he should have been allowed to stay with the team etc...however, Mount did the right thing.

Oh and Section13...if this is correct: "The law has legally mandated reporters. Football coaches are mandated reporters for their students. Employees? Not so much." then why is this even being investigated? I mean if it is that cut and dry - Urb is at practice right now and it is a non-story. Right? I mean if Urb is not legally mandated in some regard to report on violations by his staff - I guess he doesn't have to report recruiting violations they make? I mean he didn't do it so it isn't his problem. If his coach robs a bank and tells Urb - not his problem again right? His assistant coaches answer to whom? Themselves? Only the AD? I mean when I witnessed a colleague plagiarizing and getting away with it - not my problem? Everybody just looks the other way because "it isn't my problem". 

[emma17]

Is automatically reporting a bad situation really as cut and dried as some make it?
If you find out a work colleague is an alcoholic, do you report it to the boss? What if that colleague is aware of the problem and taking steps to address it?
I have very little knowledge of the Smith incident, is it possible the couple was trying to work through it?
Is there any possibility Meyers was acting in support of someone in need?

I know one thing with certainty, for some reason our society has very little room for forgiveness and recognition that none of us are perfect-and somehow we are led to believe the proper response is to fire the boss or brand the perpetrator as unworthy. That's not the way.

[purple]

 This has to be said, politically incorrect or not.. More men have been falsely accused of Domestic Violence than all other crimes combined. I say this as a lawyer with 37 years of experience, not all on defense. I would say about 90% of DV cases that go to trial result in acquittal, many due to the fact the alleged victim refuses to cooperate, the case is a "he said this, she says that" with no accompanying physical or medical evidence, or the alleged victim is clearly motivated by anger, jealousy, or seeking advantage in a child custody proceeding. There rarely are witnesses. All a female has to do is sign a DV complaint to have a person arrested. If they do that the police have no choice, even if they firmly believe it's a bogus case. Police can arrest, and prosecutors will prosecute, even if there is no cooperation if they feel the situation warrants it. That's usually when they have clear evidence of inflicted injury. Coaches are not in a position to determine guilt. I don't see how anyone can call Urban Myer a hypocrite. Maybe the police agency or the local prosecutor or the accused or the alleged victim are hypocrites, but not the accused's employer. He's in the worst position to make a judgement.

[edward de vere]

  More men have been falsely accused of Domestic Violence than all other crimes combined.

And I'd be willing to bet that far more women have been victims of domestic violence and haven't reported it than have.

"He said/she said" is a very tough situation.

When it comes to Urban Meyer, he's on record as saying he cut the assistant in question a lot of slack due to personal relationships.  Not a good look.

[Dr. Acula]

What I know is he's a hypocrite.   He preaches integrity and to respect women.

Whether OSU has the balls to can him is debatable.   The fact that he's a black eye on the reputation of the university is not open for debate.

As Chris Rock said, you're as faithful as your options.  When the stuff hit the fan with Tress OSU had Urb sitting there just waiting to waltz down from the TV booth and take the gig.  Hypothetically what would their options be?  I think we have to assume that at this point it'd be Day for 2018.  Which that then hurts your 2019 recruiting class.  My point is I think the timing, options, etc. play in Urb's favor to keep his job and the answer to your question being a big "no".  As with anything it's about money though so one meeting with an upset Wexner could change everything.

[raiderpa]

I was happy to see the article on the rising fortunes of Wooster College football.  Mount vs Wooster used to be a great rivalry and I would like to see it return.  The opener would be great for both teams.  If the Scots are on the rise, it would be a nice measuring stick for them, and if after two years it did not appear competitive, the teams could choose not to renew the contract.  I think Mount would love to open with the Scots, if only for the travel savings they would realize.