FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[hsbsballcoach7]

I'm not  all giddy about playing Muhlenburg. They're going to be a tough team. Their defensive ends are athletic and corners can play.... Obviously they haven't seen a group of WRs like Mount Unions...😂.....I think their offense has some good skill, and will keep it close for awhile before UMU makes adjustments and pulls away. Johns Hopkins offense is playing lights out too, I'd expect them to move on and challenge.

I've seen film on both teams, they look nearly identical on both sides of the ball. Athletes everywhere and great coaches.




quoting centre Twitter guy is my new favorite response to any matchup lol

Haha I saw that last week!! That was just plain silly!
I feel that Muhlenburg had a good defense and ok offense and Johns Hopkins has a scary good offense  and solid defense.

[Dr. Acula]

I just watched the Mount/BW hoops game.  If you need to sum up BW athletics it would be them fouling with 3 seconds left down 9.  AKA a temper tantrum.  Go be slightly above mediocre, Jackets. It's what you do.

[edward de vere]

Whoops, just realized the centennial is a south region conference

There are many, many, MANY things messed up on this here planet Earth.

But there are FEW things more messed up than D3, where East is South, North is West, South is East (maybe - not sure about that one) and North is South.

It's all very confusing. . . .

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Whoops, just realized the centennial is a south region conference

There are many, many, MANY things messed up on this here planet Earth.

But there are FEW things more messed up than D3, where East is South, North is West, South is East (maybe - not sure about that one) and North is South.

It's all very confusing. . . .

Sometimes North is East

[OzJohnnie]

Next time MTU is in the situation they were in last weekend, they should just leave the starters in and score 100.

There you go.  Risk your Stagg Bowl gravy train so that you can make a point to a second round opponent about what happens when you don't promptly and appropriately bend the knee.  Smart. 

[WRMUalum13]

Whoops, just realized the centennial is a south region conference

There are many, many, MANY things messed up on this here planet Earth.

But there are FEW things more messed up than D3, where East is South, North is West, South is East (maybe - not sure about that one) and North is South.

It's all very confusing. . . .

Yeah I remember being confused when we played case western last year that despite them being an hour north of alliance, CWRU was in fact a south region team.

[mr_mom]

So, I have had issues trying to reply on the PodCast page, and this person named cjvirnig is blowing up UMU for NEVER ending up on the wrong side of the bracket ... aka, "Group of Death".  So, not sure what metrics this person uses to rank brackets, but -- possibly randomly -- here are the average Massey rankings for each quadrant of the bracket this year.

MHB:  Favorites: 15, Underdogs: 92, Total 107
UWW: Favorites: 18, Underdogs: 101, Total 119
UMU:  Favorites: 9.3, Underdogs: 49, Total 59
BSU:  Favorites: 21, Underdogs 109, Total 130

If you know Massey, you'll know that smaller is better.  The UMU bracket was by far the toughest to get through.  So, where do we stand after two rounds (with updated rankings):

MHB:  St. John's [3] + Mary Hardin-Baylor [1] = 4
UWW: Bethel [9] + Whitewater [2] = 11
UMU:  Muhlenberg [10] + Mount Union [4] = 14
BSU:  RPI [27] + Johns Hopkins [7] = 34

OK ... after two rounds, a couple favorites have disappeared and the UMU bracket is now longer the toughest.  But it is not the easiest, and when the playoffs started, it was the "Group of Death".

Again, my apologies since I rarely post anything but raw stats, but that is where I live.     And if anyone knows this cjvirnig, please forward this to him.  Thanks!

[edward de vere]

Sometimes North is East

Yeah, that, too.

And I just went a-wanderin' through the other boards and saw that Sir Walter O' Wabash is discussing the same exact thing.  Great minds think alike, I guess - and so do ours. . . .

[OzJohnnie]

Also, what do the favourites and underdog numbers mean?  How did you make them?

[edward de vere]

So, I have had issues trying to reply on the PodCast page, and this person named cjvirnig is blowing up UMU for NEVER ending up on the wrong side of the bracket ... aka, "Group of Death".  So, not sure what metrics this person uses to rank brackets, but -- possibly randomly -- here are the average Massey rankings for each quadrant of the bracket this year.

MHB:  Favorites: 15, Underdogs: 92, Total 107
UWW: Favorites: 18, Underdogs: 101, Total 119
UMU:  Favorites: 9.3, Underdogs: 49, Total 59
BSU:  Favorites: 21, Underdogs 109, Total 130

If you know Massey, you'll know that smaller is better.  The UMU bracket was by far the toughest to get through.  So, where do we stand after two rounds (with updated rankings):

MHB:  St. John's [3] + Mary Hardin-Baylor [1] = 4
UWW: Bethel [9] + Whitewater [2] = 11
UMU:  Muhlenberg [10] + Mount Union [4] = 14
BSU:  RPI [27] + Johns Hopkins [7] = 34

OK ... after two rounds, a couple favorites have disappeared and the UMU bracket is now longer the toughest.  But it is not the easiest, and when the playoffs started, it was the "Group of Death".

Again, my apologies since I rarely post anything but raw stats, but that is where I live.     And if anyone knows this cjvirnig, please forward this to him.  Thanks!

Last I checked Massey ranked Trinity of Connecticut #4 in the country.

Which is all you need to know about Massey.

Just checked Massey again; Trinity now #5.

Which is all you  need to know about Massey.

[OzJohnnie]

So, I have had issues trying to reply on the PodCast page, and this person named cjvirnig is blowing up UMU for NEVER ending up on the wrong side of the bracket ... aka, "Group of Death".  So, not sure what metrics this person uses to rank brackets, but -- possibly randomly -- here are the average Massey rankings for each quadrant of the bracket this year.

MHB:  Favorites: 15, Underdogs: 92, Total 107
UWW: Favorites: 18, Underdogs: 101, Total 119
UMU:  Favorites: 9.3, Underdogs: 49, Total 59
BSU:  Favorites: 21, Underdogs 109, Total 130

If you know Massey, you'll know that smaller is better.  The UMU bracket was by far the toughest to get through.  So, where do we stand after two rounds (with updated rankings):

MHB:  St. John's [3] + Mary Hardin-Baylor [1] = 4
UWW: Bethel [9] + Whitewater [2] = 11
UMU:  Muhlenberg [10] + Mount Union [4] = 14
BSU:  RPI [27] + Johns Hopkins [7] = 34

OK ... after two rounds, a couple favorites have disappeared and the UMU bracket is now longer the toughest.  But it is not the easiest, and when the playoffs started, it was the "Group of Death".

Again, my apologies since I rarely post anything but raw stats, but that is where I live.     And if anyone knows this cjvirnig, please forward this to him.  Thanks!

Last I checked Massey ranked Trinity of Connecticut #4 in the country.

Which is all you need to know about Massey.

Just checked Massey again; Trinity now #5.

Which is all you  need to know about Massey.

That's because the only play within their conference.  They are, with the models he uses, essentially no different than an entirely different NCAA level randomly dumped into DIII. You just ignore them.

[WRMUalum13]

So, I have had issues trying to reply on the PodCast page, and this person named cjvirnig is blowing up UMU for NEVER ending up on the wrong side of the bracket ... aka, "Group of Death".  So, not sure what metrics this person uses to rank brackets, but -- possibly randomly -- here are the average Massey rankings for each quadrant of the bracket this year.

MHB:  Favorites: 15, Underdogs: 92, Total 107
UWW: Favorites: 18, Underdogs: 101, Total 119
UMU:  Favorites: 9.3, Underdogs: 49, Total 59
BSU:  Favorites: 21, Underdogs 109, Total 130

If you know Massey, you'll know that smaller is better.  The UMU bracket was by far the toughest to get through.  So, where do we stand after two rounds (with updated rankings):

MHB:  St. John's [3] + Mary Hardin-Baylor [1] = 4
UWW: Bethel [9] + Whitewater [2] = 11
UMU:  Muhlenberg [10] + Mount Union [4] = 14
BSU:  RPI [27] + Johns Hopkins [7] = 34

OK ... after two rounds, a couple favorites have disappeared and the UMU bracket is now longer the toughest.  But it is not the easiest, and when the playoffs started, it was the "Group of Death".

Again, my apologies since I rarely post anything but raw stats, but that is where I live.     And if anyone knows this cjvirnig, please forward this to him.  Thanks!

Last I checked Massey ranked Trinity of Connecticut #4 in the country.

Which is all you need to know about Massey.

Just checked Massey again; Trinity now #5.

Which is all you  need to know about Massey.

That's because the only play within their conference.  They are, with the models he uses, essentially no different than an entirely different NCAA level randomly dumped into DIII. You just ignore them.

Yeah you can't discount Massey because of the NESCAC skewed ratings, however Hansen ratings would probably be better for mr moms argument

[mr_mom]

Good point ... Hansen would have been better.  But I only have his predictions on Round 1, not his rankings.  My bad.

Just trying to find statistics to refute this person's "feelings".

[jamtod]

Good point ... Hansen would have been better.  But I only have his predictions on Round 1, not his rankings.  My bad.

Just trying to find statistics to refute this person's "feelings".

It wasn't clear what the averages and underdogs were implying. Did the combined Massey ratings exclude Mounts ranking? And only include the teams they actually played? If so, I would accept the conclusion.

[mr_mom]

OK readers ... thanks for not letting me rely on one rating ... here is the same eval using Hansen:

MHB:  Favorites: 15.8, Underdogs: 83.3, Total 99.0
UWW: Favorites: 13.3, Underdogs: 73.5, Total 86.8
UMU:  Favorites: 16.8, Underdogs: 34.0, Total 50.8
BSU:  Favorites: 19.3, Underdogs 91.5, Total 110.8

In this case, a little weaker favorites, but still much harsher underdogs.  I stand by my initial evaluation.

JamToTommie ... I did include MUC's rankings as I was evaluating the strength of the brackets, because that was what he was comparing.  Not Mount's path, but the quarter bracket itself.  His own definition.