FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[skunks_sidekick]

Well since I went to "Can't read can't write
Kent State", he & my daughter going to OU was a step up in our family.    Oldest graduated from Kent & has done alright for himself so that is a blessing.

Pretty cool there are so many watch parties around the country for the game.  UMU twitter feed listed them.  I contacted the Canton organizer & our group will be headed to Toddy B's in Plain Township.

[raiderpa]

I just noticed on the NCAC thread that Raeburn was let go by SSU on Friday.  They're moving down to D2 next year too.

That is the best thing that could have happened to him.  Savannah State appears to be a rat hole.  Administration totally non supportive and Raeburn got no, zippo, support there.  He is very lucky to get out of there.

On the AFCA All-Americans, what kind of pull did St. Johns's have?? In my opinion, other than lack of knowledge, to have more than a single player from one squad on an All America team is a real bonus.  It is hard to believe that somewhere, in America, there are not better players who just don't get the press or support from Sports Information or coaches.

The reason I respect DIII All-American squads is that the staff sees these kids, compares them to others and has a pretty solid basis for selection.  Fulford was not a first teamer this year, not even second, and I am a huge Mount fan. 

His performance against JHU doesn't get him first team all-conference, or worse.  Being the QB on a great team does not automatically make you an All-American.

[emma17]

From a guy w opinions:
-I think Trade school is a great alternative to a college degree. There is great reward in using your hands and mind to build and fix.

-I personally didn't see anything of UMHB on Saturday to make me believe they are less beatable this year than last year.

-Miller is an excellent runner w incredible patience. Mt benefits from seeing his style last year and the last two weeks. UWW was likely over-aggressive. Mt coaching should prevail.

-I don't think the UMHB passing game will hurt Mt. Mt has good coverage guys and can put pressure on Jase.

-No idea where Fulford ranks. I do know he's capable and I do know Mt has receivers. His 12-21 even w 2 picks last year was plenty effective for a victory. Throwing the ball will keep the defense honest and tired.

-Out-kicking your coverage is a bad idea. Nothing wrong w punting out of bounds in the right situation.

[CruGuy]

    Wow. DeAngelo Fulford and Louis Berry have been named to the AFCA D3 All-American team. This is without a doubt the most prestigious All-American team. Looks like "crow" is on the menu for those of you who relegated Fulford to second and "lucky to be on the second team" status.

He still only made second team... and I still think he's lucky to be there.

Now, if he throws for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns against UMHBs defense I'll happily eat crow.

Exactly. On both points.

Purple:  You can shout from the mountain tops until you're blue in the face, but it fails to disprove that he hasn't played well this season against anyone with a pulse.  I'd overlook round 2 because of the ankle, but that doesn't explain JCU or JHU.

I am scrolling through the playoff box scores and recaps, and honest question, but has any quarterback this year looked good against a defense with a pulse? I see Jase Hammack's St. John's game as the chart-topper, and he was still just over 50%. The best thing about that performance was the 0 picks. If 2tds-3int on just north of 50% is bad, then Erdmann's effort against the Cru looks just as shaky. He just had more yards because he got nearly 50 attempts. If I have overlooked someone (which is likely), please just let me know.

I know it may be my bias acting up being an Alliance guy, and all, but the last good QB performance I have seen against a good-to-great defense on a big stage is Taurice Scott's 2015 effort against St. Thomas (his whole 2015 run, really).

Every time Sam Riddle stepped on the field against UMHB, he looked like the baddest man wearing pads that day. Notably twice in 2016.

[jamtod]

    Wow. DeAngelo Fulford and Louis Berry have been named to the AFCA D3 All-American team. This is without a doubt the most prestigious All-American team. Looks like "crow" is on the menu for those of you who relegated Fulford to second and "lucky to be on the second team" status.

He still only made second team... and I still think he's lucky to be there.

Now, if he throws for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns against UMHBs defense I'll happily eat crow.

Exactly. On both points.

Purple:  You can shout from the mountain tops until you're blue in the face, but it fails to disprove that he hasn't played well this season against anyone with a pulse.  I'd overlook round 2 because of the ankle, but that doesn't explain JCU or JHU.

I am scrolling through the playoff box scores and recaps, and honest question, but has any quarterback this year looked good against a defense with a pulse? I see Jase Hammack's St. John's game as the chart-topper, and he was still just over 50%. The best thing about that performance was the 0 picks. If 2tds-3int on just north of 50% is bad, then Erdmann's effort against the Cru looks just as shaky. He just had more yards because he got nearly 50 attempts. If I have overlooked someone (which is likely), please just let me know.

I know it may be my bias acting up being an Alliance guy, and all, but the last good QB performance I have seen against a good-to-great defense on a big stage is Taurice Scott's 2015 effort against St. Thomas (his whole 2015 run, really).

Every time Sam Riddle stepped on the field against UMHB, he looked like the baddest man wearing pads that day. Notably twice in 2016.

I've often thought back to the UST-Linfield 2015 semifinal. I wonder how that game would have gone differently if Riddle was at 100%. He was clearly hobbled, Knecht came in at some point but the game was gone by then as they had no answer for Roberts.

[WRMUalum13]

    Wow. DeAngelo Fulford and Louis Berry have been named to the AFCA D3 All-American team. This is without a doubt the most prestigious All-American team. Looks like "crow" is on the menu for those of you who relegated Fulford to second and "lucky to be on the second team" status.

He still only made second team... and I still think he's lucky to be there.

Now, if he throws for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns against UMHBs defense I'll happily eat crow.

Exactly. On both points.

Purple:  You can shout from the mountain tops until you're blue in the face, but it fails to disprove that he hasn't played well this season against anyone with a pulse.  I'd overlook round 2 because of the ankle, but that doesn't explain JCU or JHU.

I am scrolling through the playoff box scores and recaps, and honest question, but has any quarterback this year looked good against a defense with a pulse? I see Jase Hammack's St. John's game as the chart-topper, and he was still just over 50%. The best thing about that performance was the 0 picks. If 2tds-3int on just north of 50% is bad, then Erdmann's effort against the Cru looks just as shaky. He just had more yards because he got nearly 50 attempts. If I have overlooked someone (which is likely), please just let me know.

I know it may be my bias acting up being an Alliance guy, and all, but the last good QB performance I have seen against a good-to-great defense on a big stage is Taurice Scott's 2015 effort against St. Thomas (his whole 2015 run, really).

Every time Sam Riddle stepped on the field against UMHB, he looked like the baddest man wearing pads that day. Notably twice in 2016.

Yes Riddle was the man, if he wouldn't have changed his mind and went to UND I'm sure he would have been successful at the FCS level as well.

[WRMUalum13]

Also I think we have to give fulford credit for the comeback against Oshkosh, the kid played out of his mind after the early 3rd quarter pick 6. He finished the day 28-42 1 td 1 pick 330 yards. Oshkosh didn't have a great defense but any semi final defense is pretty darn good (maybe except Mount's in 2013)

[Craft_Beermeister]

I think mount runs multiple QBs.  Fulford,  burkes,  Petro, keeney, hill , ruth, Herrington...ok maybe a few too many there but you get the idea.

Half of those guys are injured.

[archgemini24]

Uh oh. He broke out a dadgummit.  It gets real serious when he gets to goshdarnit...and downright nasty at consarnit.

All in good fun! I am on here to get other opinions, not to hear my opinion come out of other people's mouths (not all the time, anyway).

Sorry, you're wrong.   

Tammaro's first pick was the worst pick of the two (though a physical error, not a mental error, and not by much.  Just threw a bit behind the receiver.)  He was under heavy pressure and hit on the second pick.  (By contrast, all four of Fulford's turnovers were mental errors.)

Tammaro put NUMEROUS deep outs on a dime, against a REALLY good defense. (Name all the defenses better in D3 this year than Mount's.)   AND he hit the short passes. 

Dadgummit, there's a REASON people thought Hopkins was doing Mount a favor every time Hopkins ran the ball.

What would the final score have been if Tammaro's PERFORMANCE IN THIS ONE GAME was traded for Fulford's PERFORMANCE IN THIS ONE GAME?  (I'm not talking about who's a better QB overall.)

I still like your initial post, though - especially in regards to the Stagg.

The fumble was off a strip sack from behind while rolling out and still looking downfield. How is that a mental error if Tammaro's toss-it-up-for-grabs on a 2nd down not also a mental error?

Timing and context are things that get brought up frequently on this board. Fulford scored 2 touchdowns for his team and had one scored on him while he was on the field, all of which were big for momentum (good or ill) and helping Mount keep just enough distance. Tammaro was only on the field for 1 of his teams scores (a rush) and scored 2 to his opponents.

I think our disconnect stems from the fact that you think if their games were switched around that Mount wins by more, whereas I feel that if Tammaro played Fulford's game and vice versa, JHU is in the Stagg Bowl, because it meant JHU's offense actually converted drives versus coming up with effectively empty yards, or yards that only made the pick-6s that much longer (one pick-6 wasted 30 yards of dime-dishing, the other wasted 40), and JHU would have only given up 7 points to Mount's D instead of 14.

Again, Tammaro's mistakes immediately came back to bite him. Can only say that about the fumble for Fulford. Tammaro made some good throws but that does not make for a good, or even complementary, game. I think that if Fulford plays this game against UMHB, Mount has a poor, maybe slim chance to win (would not be too much better or worse than last year), whereas if he throws 0 tds and 2 pick6s against the Cru, Mount is toast.

Also, Shouts-out to all the posters for pointing out their observations of good QB play against good defenses. Most I agree with, others I will leave alone.

[purple]

  I would not pretend to know more than the experts who choose the AFCA All America teams.. Do you Pat?  I'm really surprised more respect is not shown the AFCA. Ask any college coach what they think of the AFCA. Don't take my word for it.
DeAngelo Fulford is 29-0, and to answer HSCoach's question... If he is healthy enough to run the ball effectively, we blow them out.  If not , he throws for 300 yards, three TDs and runs for a few first downs.
In either event, we win.

[Pat Coleman]

You are singling me out, as is your MO, although others have agreed with me.

And I have plenty of respect for the AFCA, purple -- do not misunderstand. I simply do not find their Top 25 or postseason awards infallible.

[edward de vere]

Also I think we have to give fulford credit for the comeback against Oshkosh, the kid played out of his mind after the early 3rd quarter pick 6. He finished the day 28-42 1 td 1 pick 330 yards. Oshkosh didn't have a great defense but any semi final defense is pretty darn good (maybe except Mount's in 2013)

You ABSOLUTELY have to give Fulford credit for that second half.  What's great is that he, his coaches and his teammates all know that he has that game in his back pocket. 

They also all know that Mount only lost to UMHB by two points in the 2016 semifinal, AT UMHB, with a third-string freshman quarterback.

You have to favor UMHB this year but there's no reason Mount can't win.

[edward de vere]

I think our disconnect stems from the fact that you think if their games were switched around that Mount wins by more

That is ABSOLUTELY what I think.

[hsbsballcoach7]

Also I think we have to give fulford credit for the comeback against Oshkosh, the kid played out of his mind after the early 3rd quarter pick 6. He finished the day 28-42 1 td 1 pick 330 yards. Oshkosh didn't have a great defense but any semi final defense is pretty darn good (maybe except Mount's in 2013)

You ABSOLUTELY have to give Fulford credit for that second half.  What's great is that he, his coaches and his teammates all know that he has that game in his back pocket. 

They also all know that Mount only lost to UMHB by two points in the 2016 semifinal, AT UMHB, with a third-string freshman quarterback.

You have to favor UMHB this year but there's no reason Mount can't win.

This is how I feel. Mount has to be the underdog in this one, but I know they can beat UMHB with a good game from Fulford, which he's shown that he's capable of. Snyder needs another 2017 type of Stagg Bowl punting and the kickoff coverage better stick to their assignments.

[Desertraider]

I normally watch the game at BW3 in Fairview at Westgate but I dont see it on watch party list. Had a good crowd last year.  Wonder if I will have to find a new place this year.