FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[wally_wabash]

So I guess to the question I'm asking- are those games against Mount Union and St. John's necessary experiences to win the HCAC?  If so, then great.  Making the tournament is better than not making the tournament.  But if the goal is to advance, the mission is sabotaged before it even gets started when you schedule two certain Ls in your non-league schedule.

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worked out pretty well for whitewater and oshkosh, and even for mount before it became the perennial contender, to schedule elite teams. the longer-range view is that scheduling tough teams helps you understand where you need to get to have a chance against them down the road, not in a couple of months.

Given the entire set of non-conference opponents for Mount Union from the beginning of the AQ era (1999) and UWW (from 2005 on), the leveling up improvement of UWW and UWO post-UMU series are outliers.  Everybody else that has taken on these top teams in September see a negligible effect on their W/L record in the five year period after the series.  Certainly, there are positives that programs can take away from these series, but there are 300 other things that institutions can and need to do to acquire real estate in the top 10 of the division. 

[MUC57]

If you have little to do, like me, check out the West region, Minnesota (MIAC) board. Many pages of discussion on the possibility of UST (St. Thomas) leaving the conference.
Will they leave on their own? Will they be pushed out? What happens to the MIAC?
Hey, it's something to do. Remember, I live alone so it gives me something to do. Just thought I'd let everyone know, if you don't already. Maybe you don't care! Oh well, Go Raiders ❗️

[edward de vere]

If you have little to do, like me, check out the West region

If you're into the West this should keep you occupied for awhile.  (Available at Mount Union's library.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World

[MUC57]

If you have little to do, like me, check out the West region

If you're into the West this should keep you occupied for awhile.  (Available at Mount Union's library.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World

edward (in the future may I call you,"Ed"?

Now cut that out! I meant "the other West". You know, like NCAA Dlll West Region. The region with UWW, SJU, Linfield, St Thomas et al.
You already knew that. You devil. You're just pullin' the leg of an old guy. I love it. Go Raiders! 

[MUC57]

I admit, I don't follow basketball very closely. But I heard the end of a news story which, I think, said the Raiders will play Virginia on Monday for the national championship. Dlll playing Dl? Wow. With Mount's success in football, men's and women's indoor and outdoor track, women's lacrosse. Now we add basketball.
Oh, just heard on the news it's the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. Never mind.
I know. I've got too much time on my hands. Go Red Raiders. Or Cavaliers. Or Whoever! 

[JCUStreaks70]

I admit, I don't follow basketball very closely. But I heard the end of a news story which, I think, said the Raiders will play Virginia on Monday for the national championship. Dlll playing Dl? Wow. With Mount's success in football, men's and women's indoor and outdoor track, women's lacrosse. Now we add basketball.
Oh, just heard on the news it's the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. Never mind.
I know. I've got too much time on my hands. Go Red Raiders. Or Cavaliers. Or Whoever! 

MUC, tough loss for your Raiders yesterday..

[MUC57]

I admit, I don't follow basketball very closely. But I heard the end of a news story which, I think, said the Raiders will play Virginia on Monday for the national championship. Dlll playing Dl? Wow. With Mount's success in football, men's and women's indoor and outdoor track, women's lacrosse. Now we add basketball.
Oh, just heard on the news it's the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. Never mind.
I know. I've got too much time on my hands. Go Red Raiders. Or Cavaliers. Or Whoever! 

MUC, tough loss for your Raiders yesterday. 

JCUStreaks70

Oh yeah?    At least WE have covered stands! So there! 🍺 

[ITH radio]

At the 11:40 mark we cover off the closure of the Wheaton and Fulford cases, including a response we received from the Broward Attorney's office on why the latter case was finally closed.

https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/325219891519217?sfns=mo

[MUC57]

At the 11:40 mark we cover off the closure of the Wheaton and Fulford cases, including a response we received from the Broward Attorney's office on why the latter case was finally closed.

https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/325219891519217?sfns=mo

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Thanks guys. Nice to know what happened! 

[Craft_Beermeister]

No frankie

[purple]

 Frank Rossi and James Baker discuss the Fulford case and make good points. However, I would offer it is, "unheard of", rather than, "rare"  felony cases are Nolled that far into the case. This case never should have been filed to begin with and it's a damn disgrace it was given what the Nolle Memo states.  Incompetent is really to kind a word for the prosecution in this case. Frankly, this matter should be referred to the State Supreme Court Disciplinary Counsel or Office of Professional Conduct to determine if the prosecution acted ethically. It does not appear they did according to what they say in the Nolle Memo.  They knew the case couldn't be proved, almost from day one, but carried on for a ridiculous year and a half felony charges against a young man. They had an absolute ethical and legal obligation not to pursue a felony case given ,again, what they admit in the Nolle Memo was the state of the evidence. This case is a prefect reminder how wise it is to presume an individual innocent.

[hsbsballcoach7]

I thought Gabe Brown had one more year of eligibility, but it seems he is going to be done as a Purple Raider. He had a workout with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers recently. He was fun to watch!

[Jonny Utah]

Frank Rossi and James Baker discuss the Fulford case and make good points. However, I would offer it is, "unheard of", rather than, "rare"  felony cases are Nolled that far into the case. This case never should have been filed to begin with and it's a damn disgrace it was given what the Nolle Memo states.  Incompetent is really to kind a word for the prosecution in this case. Frankly, this matter should be referred to the State Supreme Court Disciplinary Counsel or Office of Professional Conduct to determine if the prosecution acted ethically. It does not appear they did according to what they say in the Nolle Memo.  They knew the case couldn't be proved, almost from day one, but carried on for a ridiculous year and a half felony charges against a young man. They had an absolute ethical and legal obligation not to pursue a felony case given ,again, what they admit in the Nolle Memo was the state of the evidence. This case is a prefect reminder how wise it is to presume an individual innocent.

This might go a little too far.  It sounds like the family wants to hold the school responsible for something and not the kids which is understandable.  But I'm not sure the DA's office was so off base because they had an actual injury to a child, and it was clear that the injury was due to students "throwing him in the air" or something like that, and Fulford was a part of the group who caused the injury.  Fulford wasn't the only one involved here I'm assuming. 

The fact is a kid was hurt and Fulford was a part of the group who hurt him.  And we also don't know what the victim's testimony was.  That is the key piece.  This may have only been dismissed/NPd because the victim didn't want to come forward and we don't know what the original statements were about (from the victim). 

[purple]

 That is not the standard an ethical prosecutor is governed by. You suggest the standard is much lower than it is. The standard actually is, "Can this case be proven beyond a reasonable doubt."  Period. The prosecutors represent the State of Florida.  They knew that standard could not be met almost from day one. The fact the alleged victim didn't want to pursue charges is relevant to their analysis, but not controlling. The US doesn't have a ,"mass roundup" type of system. I speak as a former felony trial prosecutor. This charge should never have been filed. Incompetent is too kind a word. To those who questioned Fulford's character, and to those who presumed him guilty; enjoy your dinner of crow, feathers and all.

[USee]

Purple, I sympathize with your feelings on this, believe me. That said, I think you are confusing the presumption of innocence and due process necessitated in our legal system and the standard set forth on the D3boards.com opinion page.

As a longtime poster with as much experience on both sides of this type of issue as anyone, I don't think people are wrong to call into question UMU's handling of the situation. I also don't think Fulford is blameless here either. Have some people gone overboard and jumped on the bandwagon to assassinate UMU and their long storied program, using this as a convenient axe to grind? Yep. From my perspective, some people covering this story have also given an awful lot of deference to UMU that was not given in similar situations. Still others have been entirely consistent. such is the nature of a forum and website that is privately held and publicly available to any and all.

For Fulfords part, he has not been exactly a choirboy in this situation. As was pointed out he was part of a group that hurt someone and he did miss a court date. While none of that seems to rise to the level of legal antagonism he has received, his decisions, which led to the public criticism, could easily have been different and kept this from ever being discussed here. Whether we like it or not, posters on these boards have opinions that aren't accountable under the presumption of innocence for our legal system.

I have tremendous respect for the UMU program and it's coaches. There are strong ties between the program I root for and UMU. I would be lying if I said my respect for UMU is at an all time high for how this has been handled publicly. But my respect is still close to all time highs and that's probably the result of not having enough information to know otherwise. I have mostly given UMU the benefit of the doubt and avoided publicly saying anything despite not experiencing the same courtesy from many posters. Such is the nature of message board communities.

So while this result may feel like vindication for some UMU fans, I know the process has left a mark on others who root for the Raiders.  I think it still takes years to build a reputation and only moments to ruin it. There is enough here, similar to my institution, that requires at least some reputational repair. Time will heal all wounds (and can be hastened with championships) as I don't suspect behaviors or opinions to change much, even with this result.

I remember a much worse and more high profile situation years ago when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape and charges were filed. He was eviscerated  publicly and his demise was certain. All charges were eventually dropped and Kobe and the Lakers went on to win a couple more championships, his reputation is at an all time since (mic) dropping 60 in his finale and very few people even remember those dark and ugly times for him and the Lakers.

I trust UMU has better days ahead and this will be a blip for both the Raiders and Mr Fulford and wish you guys only the best in the years to come.