FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[HScoach]

Personally,  I think St Glenn is an ass of epic proportion but this decision by the MIAC is beyond lame.  Therefore the gloves come off moving forward.   

[pradierguy]

Personally,  I think St Glenn is an ass of epic proportion but this decision by the MIAC is beyond lame.  Therefore the gloves come off moving forward.

Word. Can't stand the dude, but I'm fascinated to see those scores this year. Glen on a Vengeance could be eye popping. 

[pradierguy]

And in another non-football related note, Mount Union has changed its long-standing affiliation from UMC to SJW.

SJW❓ Huh? Help me here. (See signature below)

They have dropped their affiliation with the United Methodist Church after all these years because of the churches stance on gay/lesbian exclusions in the church. They do not want to limit their inclusion of all students in the family. They have even agreed to fully support any student that has received money from the church that would go away because of this change in philosophy.

This change isn't surprising,  but still strikes me as quite sad.  MUC hasn't been a religious school for decades, but it still pains me to see the foundations of our culture erode.  Even if it's simply symbolic as in this instance as the soul of MUC died years ago.  RIP.

I noticed in the FAQ's regarding the decision they took note of the % of different faiths on campus. I wish they would've done the same for the LGBQ community. Curious of that breakdown.

[buddy34]

mount made the correct decision, and calling it a politically correct decision is denigrating it. the philosophy of inclusion is one that a good many methodist churches -- including the one on campus -- agree with.

[HScoach]

mount made the correct decision, and calling it a politically correct decision is denigrating it. the philosophy of inclusion is one that a good many methodist churches -- including the one on campus -- agree with.

I was raised in the Methodist church and unless you've deleted a lot of scripture the bible is quite clear on the subject.  Mount can do want they want, it's their school, but seeing it go the same route as so many other Christian beliefs is very sad.  Kind of a microcosm of America as a whole.

[hazzben]

mount made the correct decision, and calling it a politically correct decision is denigrating it. the philosophy of inclusion is one that a good many methodist churches -- including the one on campus -- agree with.

I was raised in the Methodist church and unless you've deleted a lot of scripture the bible is quite clear on the subject.  Mount can do want they want, it's their school, but seeing it go the same route as so many other Christian beliefs is very sad.  Kind of a microcosm of America as a whole.

Part of my brain is screaming not to reply. But I think a lot of people don't comment on topics like this because they get shamed into silence (not that anyone has done that here, yet  )

Technically, the Methodist church has spoken, and taken the stance to stand with the historic interpretation of Scripture. (Please note, I'm really not trying to poke the bear here.) Mount is free to make the decision they've made. But it's not fair to paint the picture that Mount stands with true Methodism and the UMC now does not. In reality, it was a vote to maintain the traditional interpretation, and enforce the rules that have been on the books for a while.

Ironically, for those claiming this is a decision against inclusion, this vote happened by and large because the "global church" wing (African bishops, etc.) of the UMC stood their ground. You literally had African Bishops saying to those promoting "inclusion" ... "We are very capable of making up our own minds on this. We don't need to be told how to interpret Scripture by the Western/American/British/(White) bishops." They won the vote because membership/attendance in Methodist congregations is thriving in those churches that have maintained the "traditional interpretation" and is shrinking in the more progressive congregations. The latter churches are decreasing in church size and church number. While the former are exploding. It means less influence for the Western/American/British/(White) bishops. You can phrase it as anti-inclusion or a defeat of Methodist principles. But global south and African Bishops would retort that this accusation represents a "Colonialist, Paternal Mentality" (aka, we know better than them, we need to educate them on how to read the Bible and vote on this issue). That's not me putting words in their mouth, it's what they actually said during the debates and over the course of the last decade.

Again, not saying Mount can't make the decision they've made. But if it's unfair to call that a PC move, then it's unfair to claim that the UMC's decision was "against inclusion," since it was made in large part behind the voices of non-white/western Bishops.

[buddy34]

perhaps the issue is more about the top-down nature of the decision by the church. i'm all for anyone deciding what they wish to believe. as a mount grad, i'm happy with the decision the school has reached.

[hazzben]

perhaps the issue is more about the top-down nature of the decision by the church. i'm all for anyone deciding what they wish to believe. as a mount grad, i'm happy with the decision the school has reached.

Not sure you can call a vote by over 850 representatives 'top down.' There's no Pope in the UMC. But agreed, Mount is free to respond how they desire.

[hazzben]

PS sorry for hijacking your board. Probably should have done this over direct messages. Apologies ... please return to your regularly scheduled programming 

[buddy34]

that i can heartily agree with. sorry.

[raiderpa]

Mount sent out a survey on e-mail a couple months ago about their affiliation.  I knew then that it was a matter of time, that the survey was just a way of saying, " We asked our alumni".  I  totally support the Church's standing and wish Mount had chosen differently, however, it is my opinion that money is at the root of the issue.
I believe they weighed the decision against the dollar and what they could gain/lose by their final choice.  Their belief is clear. The running amok of political correctness and potential loss of donations is, IMO, the answer to why the change was made.

[raiderpa]

The MIAC is taking a beating on ESPN. Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon blasted the conference.  As an outsider looking in, I cannot help but feel that Caruso's destruction of his opponents by scoring in the 60's, 70's, even 80 and 90 had to start the conversations.  I know Mount has had some big scores, but I have witnessed kids running out of bounds inside the 10, even as they had a clear path to the end zone.  I have seen fg's on 1st down, and taking a knee four times inside the five. 
While the football program cannot be the only culprit, it had to play the most major role in the decision.

[HScoach]

Mount sent out a survey on e-mail a couple months ago about their affiliation.  I knew then that it was a matter of time, that the survey was just a way of saying, " We asked our alumni".  I  totally support the Church's standing and wish Mount had chosen differently, however, it is my opinion that money is at the root of the issue.
I believe they weighed the decision against the dollar and what they could gain/lose by their final choice.  Their belief is clear. The running amok of political correctness and potential loss of donations is, IMO, the answer to why the change was made.

I agree 100%.  MUC lost is spiritual compass a long time ago.

1st Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a source of all kinds of evil. Some have been so eager to have it that they have wandered away from the faith and have broken their hearts with many sorrows.

Matthew 6:24
You cannot serve both God and money.

[HScoach]

The MIAC is taking a beating on ESPN. Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon blasted the conference.  As an outsider looking in, I cannot help but feel that Caruso's destruction of his opponents by scoring in the 60's, 70's, even 80 and 90 had to start the conversations.  I know Mount has had some big scores, but I have witnessed kids running out of bounds inside the 10, even as they had a clear path to the end zone.  I have seen fg's on 1st down, and taking a knee four times inside the five. 
While the football program cannot be the only culprit, it had to play the most major role in the decision.

I would agree here too.  There's a HUGE difference between blowing someone out and then doing so while rubbing their nose in it.  LK was the master at keeping it in check.  He had multiple teams capable of hitting triple digits if he was willing to treat the opponent with as much disdain as St. Glenn does. 

[MUC57]

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