FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[skunks_sidekick]

These are changes we should celebrate.  LK deserves to retire while still young enough to enjoy it. VK was going to have difficulty getting out of his father's shadow at Mount, and an MAC position coach is a smart forward advancement for him.  LK takes pride in the school and program and isn't going to leave it in worse shape than he found it.  The next head coach will not be a replacement, but will be someone LK trusts to take the program forward within the goals and expectations of the administration.  I doubt either was forced out by the president or board.  LK would not back down from that type of challenge.  After over 30 years, the next chapter begins.  The landscape of D3 is different than it was in 1986.  I expect the new coach will be prepared for the challenges it presents.

Not forced out .... driven is probably a better word.

This.  Someone should ask Dom Capers about his most recent/forthcoming donation to his alma mater.  I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when that went down. 

[hsbsballcoach7]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

[formerd3db]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

I agree this will be a good step for VK.

Only question is...why would that other guy leave Alabama?

[jknezek]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

I agree this will be a good step for VK.

Only question is...why would that other guy leave Alabama?

As someone who lives down here and is surrounded by people who eat, drink and well, anyway... they love Alabama. These guys tend to get told they need to find a new job if they aren't recruiting up to Saban's standards. He's got 800 coaches on staff, so he doesn't really care if they know Xs and Os, there are plenty of guys that do. He needs them to be able to win major recruiting battles he assigns them. If they can't, or he doesn't think they are doing enough, he tells them to find new jobs. Which they usually do because they have Alabama on the resume.

He might be a fantastic coach and a capable recruiter, but neither of these things will keep you on staff at Alabama if you aren't bringing in the 5 stars Saban assigns you.

[MUC57]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

I agree this will be a good step for VK.

Only question is...why would that other guy leave Alabama?

As someone who lives down here and is surrounded by people who eat, drink and well, anyway... they love Alabama. These guys tend to get told they need to find a new job if they aren't recruiting up to Saban's standards. He's got 800 coaches on staff, so he doesn't really care if they know Xs and Os, there are plenty of guys that do. He needs them to be able to win major recruiting battles he assigns them. If they can't, or he doesn't think they are doing enough, he tells them to find new jobs. Which they usually do because they have Alabama on the resume.

He might be a fantastic coach and a capable recruiter, but neither of these things will keep you on staff at Alabama if you aren't bringing in the 5 stars Saban assigns you.

Jknezek

Very interesting info on the workings of The Crimson Tide. Wow!
Thanks for this.
Haven't heard from you for a while. Hope you are well.
How about a belated Happy New Year, or, as we say in Romanian, An Nou Fericit! 

[pradierguy]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

[jknezek]

Per @JordanStrack...

SOURCE: Toledo is hiring Craig Kuligowski. He will coach OLB's and will be Co-Defensive Coordinator. Kuligowski spent 2018 at Alabama as Associate Head Coach. He was at Miami before that.

Vince Kehres will be the Defensive Coordinator.

I'm confused (no surprise). Kuligowski will be co- Defensive Coordinator. Vince will be Defensive Coordinator.
So Vince is CO- Defensive Coordinator?
Help! I am old and ........l! (See signature below) 

IMO this means that Vince is the guy calling plays with input from the other guy especially because Vince won't have other position coaching duties. It'll be a good step up for him if he wants to be a D1 head coach one day.

I agree this will be a good step for VK.

Only question is...why would that other guy leave Alabama?

As someone who lives down here and is surrounded by people who eat, drink and well, anyway... they love Alabama. These guys tend to get told they need to find a new job if they aren't recruiting up to Saban's standards. He's got 800 coaches on staff, so he doesn't really care if they know Xs and Os, there are plenty of guys that do. He needs them to be able to win major recruiting battles he assigns them. If they can't, or he doesn't think they are doing enough, he tells them to find new jobs. Which they usually do because they have Alabama on the resume.

He might be a fantastic coach and a capable recruiter, but neither of these things will keep you on staff at Alabama if you aren't bringing in the 5 stars Saban assigns you.

Jknezek

Very interesting info on the workings of The Crimson Tide. Wow!
Thanks for this.
Haven't heard from you for a while. Hope you are well.
How about a belated Happy New Year, or, as we say in Romanian, An Nou Fericit! 

Happy New Year to you! And I doubt it's just how the Crimson Tide work. The number of coaching and analyst positions at all the top programs has grown exponentially. You don't need them to coach. Break down tape? Sure, but how many? No, this is all about recruiting at those programs. The tangled rules between coach contacts with kids and football staff contacts with kids, plus the rules about analysts and players vs coaches and players, just make it all more complicated who gets what title. But it doesn't change the calculus of what they are doing. Just how much they are allowed to do and when depending on their "official" title. And with the massive turnover from these staffs every year, having guys who were "analysts" sitting in the wings learning the systems and terminology just helps keep the flow running when you need to move someone to a "coach" title.

[Pat Coleman]

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

Those opportunities are rare. Look at what Lance Leipold had to do to get someone to take that chance on him ...

[WRMUalum13]

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

Those opportunities are rare. Look at what Lance Leipold had to do to get someone to take that chance on him ...

2 big difference between LL and VK
1. LL basically built UWW to what it is, VK just keep the machine going
2. LL Had prior higher division experience at both d1 and d2.

[formerd3db]

jknezek:

Thanks for the insight. 

(BTW, I have never been a fan of Nick Saban. )

[formerd3db]

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

Those opportunities are rare. Look at what Lance Leipold had to do to get someone to take that chance on him ...

Pat:

Without taking the time to go back and check, please remind me...aside from that initial Toledo offer when MC became head coach there, wasn't one of VK's offers (Kent State) to be HC or was that only his father LK's offer to be HC there? 

[Pat Coleman]

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

Those opportunities are rare. Look at what Lance Leipold had to do to get someone to take that chance on him ...

Pat:

Without taking the time to go back and check, please remind me...aside from that initial Toledo offer when MC became head coach there, wasn't one of VK's offers (Kent State) to be HC or was that only his father LK's offer to be HC there?

My understanding is that VK has not been offered a Division I head coaching job. And my understanding was that LK was offered the Kent State job.

[WRMUalum13]

It's a good step in a vacuum. But Leipold went straight to a HC gig. I think this shows the haste involved in the decision, that VK didn't wait around for a HC opening.

Those opportunities are rare. Look at what Lance Leipold had to do to get someone to take that chance on him ...

Pat:

Without taking the time to go back and check, please remind me...aside from that initial Toledo offer when MC became head coach there, wasn't one of VK's offers (Kent State) to be HC or was that only his father LK's offer to be HC there?

My understanding is that VK has not been offered a Division I head coaching job. And my understanding was that LK was offered the Kent State job.

The article from Cleveland.com certainly makes it seem like Vince wouldn't get a d1 HC offer without other d1 experience.

"As Vince continued winning at Mount Union, area Division I schools asked him to interview when their head coaching positions came open.

"I talked to Kent State, Akron and Bowling Green," said Vince. "As I talked to them, I began to realize maybe I needed to be an assistant first before jumping to head coach in a league like the MAC."

[formerd3db]

Thank you Pat and WMRUalum.

[MUC57]

formerd3db

Hi Doc. How are ya?