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USee

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Quote from: MUC57 on January 25, 2020, 07:15:22 AM
USee

Rutter is an all-world QB, but he's not a deity. When Mount blitzed, he ran for his life. Don't know why the Raider defense eased up.
Overall, NCC was the better team. The Cardinals were more than just Rutter!
Good luck to NCC in 2020.  ;D

Oh! The Purple Raiders WILL  be back this season.  8-)

No, he isn't a deity. But to say the Raider D "eased up" and that Rutter "ran for his life" would be agross misrepresentations of what actually happened.

That aside, my post was to offer some perspective that Rutter, over his 4 years that I watched him, did not do much running for his life against the blitz, nor did he get much pressure from UMU.  Also, last I checked VK was a pretty good Defensive Coordinator who likes to blitz a fair amount.  VK didn't get stupid overnight.  Im sure he watched film of what Rutter did vs the blitz.

formerd3db

So your additional take on the new Mount President?  Good for athletics or will time tell?  These presidential selections are tricky, sometimes dangerous, and can leave some alumni scratching their heads simply thinking "what were those on the Board of Trustees thinking?" I can think of a few really baffling and "mis-selections" over the years at various colleges and universities as I'm sure many of you can as well.  I think we all agree that if a president is not a firm believer in and committed to athletics (the academic commitment is a "given"), the results can be a disaster for a school.  That is never a good thing aside from simply being not fun.     
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MUC57


USee

As often happens, I didn't explain myself very well.
You are certainly more knowledgeable than I, not only on Rutter but also the ins and outs of the game. Broc did not run for his life all day but did the few times pressure was put on him. When I said Mount eased up, I should have said when they stopped applying pressure.
Vince did not get stupid overnight, but allowing 522 yards passing with 8 guys back doesn't make you a Rhodes Scholar.
Ah, but the past is the past. On to 2020. I shall continue to read your posts. Hopefully I'll learn something.
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hsbsballcoach7

Quote from: USee on January 25, 2020, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on January 25, 2020, 07:15:22 AM
USee

Rutter is an all-world QB, but he's not a deity. When Mount blitzed, he ran for his life. Don't know why the Raider defense eased up.
Overall, NCC was the better team. The Cardinals were more than just Rutter!
Good luck to NCC in 2020.  ;D

Oh! The Purple Raiders WILL  be back this season.  8-)

No, he isn't a deity. But to say the Raider D "eased up" and that Rutter "ran for his life" would be agross misrepresentations of what actually happened.

That aside, my post was to offer some perspective that Rutter, over his 4 years that I watched him, did not do much running for his life against the blitz, nor did he get much pressure from UMU.  Also, last I checked VK was a pretty good Defensive Coordinator who likes to blitz a fair amount.  VK didn't get stupid overnight.  Im sure he watched film of what Rutter did vs the blitz.

I felt and heard from players that when Vince was defensive coordinator at first, he was extremely aggressive and sometimes to a fault. Those are the days that UWW would take advantage of it. IMO VK wasn't as aggressive with defensive play calling the last couple of years. It might have been because of the great DBs we had, but something just seemed off this year. You don't give up that many yards and keep doing the same thing... Just my opinion though.

MUC57



coach7

I'm on your side.  However; enough talk about last year. 🐴 🔫
2020! Go Raiders! 🏈 😎
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USee

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Blitz vs.  cover....wouldn't have made a difference. That's my point.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

Wasn't Kappas back calling the Defense this year?
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MUC57

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on January 25, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
Wasn't Kappas back calling the Defense this year?

You and I know he was ‼️  ;D
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: USee on January 25, 2020, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on January 25, 2020, 07:15:22 AM
USee

Rutter is an all-world QB, but he's not a deity. When Mount blitzed, he ran for his life. Don't know why the Raider defense eased up.
Overall, NCC was the better team. The Cardinals were more than just Rutter!
Good luck to NCC in 2020.  ;D

Oh! The Purple Raiders WILL  be back this season.  8-)

No, he isn't a deity. But to say the Raider D "eased up" and that Rutter "ran for his life" would be agross misrepresentations of what actually happened.

I was going to say -- when Rutter "ran for his life" he ran successfully! I don't know that you wanted more of that. :)
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MUC57

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: USee on January 25, 2020, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on January 25, 2020, 07:15:22 AM
USee

Rutter is an all-world QB, but he's not a deity. When Mount blitzed, he ran for his life. Don't know why the Raider defense eased up.
Overall, NCC was the better team. The Cardinals were more than just Rutter!
Good luck to NCC in 2020.  ;D

Oh! The Purple Raiders WILL  be back this season.  8-)

No, he isn't a deity. But to say the Raider D "eased up" and that Rutter "ran for his life" would be agross misrepresentations of what actually happened.

I was going to say -- when Rutter "ran for his life" he ran successfully! I don't know that you wanted more of that. :)
2nd half. Mount blitz and h e "ran for his life". He threw it away towards the cover stands. Is that successful?
I give. 'Nuff said on the subject. Go Raiders!
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Pat Coleman

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Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2020, 10:22:59 AM
So your additional take on the new Mount President?  Good for athletics or will time tell?  These presidential selections are tricky, sometimes dangerous, and can leave some alumni scratching their heads simply thinking "what were those on the Board of Trustees thinking?" I can think of a few really baffling and "mis-selections" over the years at various colleges and universities as I'm sure many of you can as well.  I think we all agree that if a president is not a firm believer in and committed to athletics (the academic commitment is a "given"), the results can be a disaster for a school.  That is never a good thing aside from simply being not fun.     

I think my biggest takeaway is that I believe Botzman "gets it".  He was a member of the faculty for a long time and during the apex of the football program's run.  He has extensive firsthand experience with Mount's culture and wanted to return.  And in the end he's a numbers guy and a business guy.  My expectation would be enhancement and expansion of the academic programs they see as the future growth drivers (presumably engineering, nursing/PA/PT) coupled with continued strong support of athletics.  Botzman knows athletics is a monetary catalyst through both enrollment and fundraising.   

Anecdotally, I know my friends from school who participated in athletics are more engaged with our alma mater than those who did not play sports.  Certainly not without exception, but if I split my college friends into those two groups it's a distinct difference in my case. 

raiderpa

It is no secret that the sleepy little college of Mount Union grew into a University during the same years that football became a dynasty.  The rise in attendance, fund raising, and overall support grew exponentially with the football success.   At the same time football was becoming a national power, academic programs and degree offerings were added, building projects expanded and the product resulted into what we have now, first class facilities for academics and athletics, first rate teachers, and first rate support programs. (I especially like food services...ha)

It is also no secret that LK had to fight for everything in the early years and made a few enemies in the process, but he won out and the college, overall, was the winner for his vision. 

Of course this is one man's opinion, but I think you will find many agree.

Shark

Quote from: raiderpa on January 26, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
It is no secret that the sleepy little college of Mount Union grew into a University during the same years that football became a dynasty.  The rise in attendance, fund raising, and overall support grew exponentially with the football success.   At the same time football was becoming a national power, academic programs and degree offerings were added, building projects expanded and the product resulted into what we have now, first class facilities for academics and athletics, first rate teachers, and first rate support programs. (I especially like food services...ha)

It is also no secret that LK had to fight for everything in the early years and made a few enemies in the process, but he won out and the college, overall, was the winner for his vision. 

Of course this is one man's opinion, but I think you will find many agree.

I am not one of them. I agree with this.
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emma17

Quote from: USee on January 25, 2020, 04:41:57 PM
Blitz vs.  cover....wouldn't have made a difference. That's my point.

In the interest of just talking football and not pointing fingers at certain coaches, I do think it's an interesting thought process that you're referencing here USee. It seems your point is that because other teams weren't successful in blitzing NCC, the MT defensive staff decided they shouldn't do it either (or at least not very often). I mentioned the UWO game vs MT with this very concept in mind. I can only assume the UWO staff feared blitzing MT because of the number of excellent receivers they had. They chose to drop a bunch into coverage. And they got whipped in the second half.
The question I have for a coach is: if you're not having any success playing the D you thought best, what do you have to lose by switching it up?
Heck I'd take it a step further in MT's case and ask the question, why would you base your defensive approach on what other teams had success with given MT has better/likely faster athletes than almost any other team? 
It's all coaching philosophy I guess.