FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[formerd3db]

to much liability for schools in d3 that dont make millions

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here (and I might be), but why would the schools be liable? Ultimately, it's the players who will have to decide if they're comfortable assuming the added risk (in addition to the risk you assume every time you take the field!) to play or not. And if enough of them don't want to that you can't field a team...

These players aren't on athletic scholarships, so whether or not they are comfortable playing football this year has no financial impact on them and no impact on their ability to go to school.

Excellent point, Ryan. As long as the schools document and demonstrate they put in place the standard of care guidelines recommended and approved by all the governing authorities (NCAA, state and local health administrators, CDC, etc.) and these parameters were followed, there should be no liability. The risk is on the individual to decide what they choose to do knowing these protocols, parameters and the risks as known to date.

[OzJohnnie]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

[ADL70]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

If you consider death to be the only negative outcome. In central Texas by far the most confirmed cases are among those 18-30.

[Oline89]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

Really interesting to finally add up the numbers.  According to the reported numbers, total deaths since Feb in the 0-24 age group is 149, and zero reported in the past 2 weeks.  Within that group we have no idea about concomitant medical conditions.  I stand by my opinion that the safest place for these kids is back and school, isolated from the more vulnerable members of society.  Those in the older age group that interact with the healthy group need to continue social distancing, maybe N95 masks, hand washing, etc.

[formerd3db]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

Really interesting to finally add up the numbers.  According to the reported numbers, total deaths since Feb in the 0-24 age group is 149, and zero reported in the past 2 weeks.  Within that group we have no idea about concomitant medical conditions.  I stand by my opinion that the safest place for these kids is back and school, isolated from the more vulnerable members of society.  Those in the older age group that interact with the healthy group need to continue social distancing, maybe N95 masks, hand washing, etc.

With all due respect, there are many in the medical profession who disagree with you. College dorms, small classrooms and even large lecture halls, cafeterias, athletic training rooms and the locker rooms are all "petri dishes" for these viruses. I recall when our daughters were students at Hope back in 2008 when the norovirus hit campus and the surrounding counties. While that virus didn't have any mortality percentages, nonetheless, that situation was horrible. The entire campus was locked down, as was the surrounding county and many businesses (including Grand Rapids large international airport) although not to the extent of rhis current crisis. (I will spare you some of the disgusting stories of the symptoms of that as well as some of the horrible symptoms experienced by a coule of persons I am aware of whi contacted the covid19, including one who was a classmaye of our daughters on elementary school, who was 33 years old, in excellent health, married with two young children  and he died  from it.) Decontamination teams had to be called in and quarantines were in place for students not leaving as well as prohibiting anyone from coming to the campus. The College and county health departments were overwhelmed.

There is a new study just out yesterday that is now reporting that previously "asymptomatic" persons,, which the majority in the study were in this younger age group you cite and who all tested positive for the coronavirus, actually developed signs of lung inflammation with symptoms as seen in "walking pneumonia, so they really were not "asymptomatic" as previously claimed. As has been mentioned here by others, the latest numbers reported by several states show a huge increase and proportion of the younger age groups now contracting the virus, and, again, it is being discovered they are not entirely "asymptomatic" and to what degree, if any,  is not currently known how that will affect their health in the longterm future, even if they are healthy individuals with no currently "known" comorbidities or risk factors.

Certainly, we do not know what the longterm effects of this will be. We all agree that everyone is at risk for viruses, including the common cold , the flu, etc., and now this terrible covid19 coronavirus. We obviously do not have all the answers as to the latterr and as everyone here knows, that changes daily. But to say the safest place is back at school, IMO, is misleading as there will be still a large risk there as everywhere in society. The administrative staffs in all the departments at all the colleges and universities have been working diligently on a daily basis to design plans and various scenarios to minimize those risks ( I can attest to that because our youngest daughter works at Hope, our neighbor is head of food services there, and I have contributed to some of the athletic plans for return of football and fall sports there). But despite efforts by thousands of people across the nation at all these colleges and universities, there is still major concern and there will be some large risk. I am not paranoid, rather being simply realistic and cautious. As many have said/posted here and we all realize, we will see what plays out over the next couple of months. Anyway, I respect everyone's opinion here, just sharing my own as I see the situation currently from the information we have available (and, yes, even the medical professionals across the country who are considered experts in the field of infectious disease do not agree on everything regarding this coronavirus situation.)

[wally_wabash]

to much liability for schools in d3 that dont make millions

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here (and I might be), but why would the schools be liable? Ultimately, it's the players who will have to decide if they're comfortable assuming the added risk (in addition to the risk you assume every time you take the field!) to play or not. And if enough of them don't want to that you can't field a team...

These players aren't on athletic scholarships, so whether or not they are comfortable playing football this year has no financial impact on them and no impact on their ability to go to school.

Certainly, legal liability is a question that has been asked and worked on by institutional counsels across the country since mid-March, but I do think there are more layers than just "could we get sued?"  Schools also have to weigh the cost of potentially being the school in the news where an outbreak happened, or senior faculty were affected, or a legendary coach was affected.  Nobody needs or wants that kind of attention. 

[s e 76]

hard to argue assumption of the risk when the risk is not really known

[formerd3db]

hard to argue assumption of the risk when the risk is not really known

Can you you prove there is no risk and...why would you even consider taking a chance there wasn't?  While the exact parameters and just what "percentage" any of those are is not completely known, there is cerrtainly enough evidence in the medical literature let alone the true life" experiences of the health care workers to show there is risk.

[Oline89]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

Really interesting to finally add up the numbers.  According to the reported numbers, total deaths since Feb in the 0-24 age group is 149, and zero reported in the past 2 weeks.  Within that group we have no idea about concomitant medical conditions.  I stand by my opinion that the safest place for these kids is back and school, isolated from the more vulnerable members of society.  Those in the older age group that interact with the healthy group need to continue social distancing, maybe N95 masks, hand washing, etc.

With all due respect, there are many in the medical profession who disagree with you. College dorms, small classrooms and even large lecture halls, cafeterias, athletic training rooms and the locker rooms are all "petri dishes" for these viruses. I recall when our daughters were students at Hope back in 2008 when the norovirus hit campus and the surrounding counties. While that virus didn't have any mortality percentages, nonetheless, that situation was horrible. The entire campus was locked down, as was the surrounding county and many businesses (including Grand Rapids large international airport) although not to the extent of rhis current crisis. (I will spare you some of the disgusting stories of the symptoms of that as well as some of the horrible symptoms experienced by a coule of persons I am aware of whi contacted the covid19, including one who was a classmaye of our daughters on elementary school, who was 33 years old, in excellent health, married with two young children  and he died  from it.) Decontamination teams had to be called in and quarantines were in place for students not leaving as well as prohibiting anyone from coming to the campus. The College and county health departments were overwhelmed.

There is a new study just out yesterday that is now reporting that previously "asymptomatic" persons,, which the majority in the study were in this younger age group you cite and who all tested positive for the coronavirus, actually developed signs of lung inflammation with symptoms as seen in "walking pneumonia, so they really were not "asymptomatic" as previously claimed. As has been mentioned here by others, the latest numbers reported by several states show a huge increase and proportion of the younger age groups now contracting the virus, and, again, it is being discovered they are not entirely "asymptomatic" and to what degree, if any,  is not currently known how that will affect their health in the longterm future, even if they are healthy individuals with no currently "known" comorbidities or risk factors.

Certainly, we do not know what the longterm effects of this will be. We all agree that everyone is at risk for viruses, including the common cold , the flu, etc., and now this terrible covid19 coronavirus. We obviously do not have all the answers as to the latterr and as everyone here knows, that changes daily. But to say the safest place is back at school, IMO, is misleading as there will be still a large risk there as everywhere in society. The administrative staffs in all the departments at all the colleges and universities have been working diligently on a daily basis to design plans and various scenarios to minimize those risks ( I can attest to that because our youngest daughter works at Hope, our neighbor is head of food services there, and I have contributed to some of the athletic plans for return of football and fall sports there). But despite efforts by thousands of people across the nation at all these colleges and universities, there is still major concern and there will be some large risk. I am not paranoid, rather being simply realistic and cautious. As many have said/posted here and we all realize, we will see what plays out over the next couple of months. Anyway, I respect everyone's opinion here, just sharing my own as I see the situation currently from the information we have available (and, yes, even the medical professionals across the country who are considered experts in the field of infectious disease do not agree on everything regarding this coronavirus situation.)

I completely agree with you, however, as I am sure you have seen, the quality of the medical studies being introduced to the lay press is poor.  These case reports and studies  are being disseminated at a rapid rate, without being vetted (have you ever seen such a rapid change  in medical recommendation as the hydroxychloroquine debacle?).  My theory is, test all athletes and incoming students.  Then place them in the bubble of college life.  In this bubble, there is relatively little contact with potentially infected patients, and if they do contract the novel virus, the most at risk group to infect would be their peers.  Either way the college age student maintains the lowest mortality and morbidity rate, why keep them at home?  In my opinion, the downside of being home (mentally, socially, financially) outweighs the benefit. 

[Toph]

Longtime JCU SID Chris Wenzler passed away Tuesday after a 2+ battle with cancer.  Those who had the opportunity to know Chris will agree that he was a good man and a mentor to so many students at JCU that it would be impossible to calculate the number of lives he touched.

Edit- it was Tuesday, not today. Autocorrect.

[s e 76]

are d3 schools going to spend 100k to test on regular basis

[MUC57]

Longtime JCU SID Chris Wenzler passed away today after a 2+ battle with cancer.  Those who had the opportunity to know Chris will agree that he was a good man and a mentor to so many students at JCU that it would be impossible to calculate the number of lives he touched.

Toph

Sorry to hear about Chris. I talked to him numerous times at OAC Media Day. He seemed like a very nice guy. I'm sure he had lots of friends.
Rest-in-Peace Blue Streak! ✝

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Warner University, an NAIA School in FL, has released their revised 2020 Schedule.

*Eight Games
*Only In State Opponents
*Play their rival, Warner International, twice. (The schools are like 10 miles apart).

https://twitter.com/warnerufootball/status/1271139410159955968?s=21

[bufordscot]

As more data is collected and analysed, we'll be better able to manage the spread of CV.  This visualisation of data from the National Center for Health Statistics is enlightening.  It appears that college students have the least to fear from CV, less than normal operations actually.

https://freopp.org/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age-630aea3ae5a9

"College bubble"  Ha!  Next time your on campus, any campus, look around.  How many of those people pop the college bubble everyday?  Is the faculty and staff living within the college bubble?  No.  Are they stopping at the grocery store on their way home?  Probably.  If the PGA tour, with basically an unlimited budget, can't keep the virus away from 150 players and their caddies, you have ZERO chance on campus.

Really interesting to finally add up the numbers.  According to the reported numbers, total deaths since Feb in the 0-24 age group is 149, and zero reported in the past 2 weeks.  Within that group we have no idea about concomitant medical conditions.  I stand by my opinion that the safest place for these kids is back and school, isolated from the more vulnerable members of society.  Those in the older age group that interact with the healthy group need to continue social distancing, maybe N95 masks, hand washing, etc.

With all due respect, there are many in the medical profession who disagree with you. College dorms, small classrooms and even large lecture halls, cafeterias, athletic training rooms and the locker rooms are all "petri dishes" for these viruses. I recall when our daughters were students at Hope back in 2008 when the norovirus hit campus and the surrounding counties. While that virus didn't have any mortality percentages, nonetheless, that situation was horrible. The entire campus was locked down, as was the surrounding county and many businesses (including Grand Rapids large international airport) although not to the extent of rhis current crisis. (I will spare you some of the disgusting stories of the symptoms of that as well as some of the horrible symptoms experienced by a coule of persons I am aware of whi contacted the covid19, including one who was a classmaye of our daughters on elementary school, who was 33 years old, in excellent health, married with two young children  and he died  from it.) Decontamination teams had to be called in and quarantines were in place for students not leaving as well as prohibiting anyone from coming to the campus. The College and county health departments were overwhelmed.

There is a new study just out yesterday that is now reporting that previously "asymptomatic" persons,, which the majority in the study were in this younger age group you cite and who all tested positive for the coronavirus, actually developed signs of lung inflammation with symptoms as seen in "walking pneumonia, so they really were not "asymptomatic" as previously claimed. As has been mentioned here by others, the latest numbers reported by several states show a huge increase and proportion of the younger age groups now contracting the virus, and, again, it is being discovered they are not entirely "asymptomatic" and to what degree, if any,  is not currently known how that will affect their health in the longterm future, even if they are healthy individuals with no currently "known" comorbidities or risk factors.

Certainly, we do not know what the longterm effects of this will be. We all agree that everyone is at risk for viruses, including the common cold , the flu, etc., and now this terrible covid19 coronavirus. We obviously do not have all the answers as to the latterr and as everyone here knows, that changes daily. But to say the safest place is back at school, IMO, is misleading as there will be still a large risk there as everywhere in society. The administrative staffs in all the departments at all the colleges and universities have been working diligently on a daily basis to design plans and various scenarios to minimize those risks ( I can attest to that because our youngest daughter works at Hope, our neighbor is head of food services there, and I have contributed to some of the athletic plans for return of football and fall sports there). But despite efforts by thousands of people across the nation at all these colleges and universities, there is still major concern and there will be some large risk. I am not paranoid, rather being simply realistic and cautious. As many have said/posted here and we all realize, we will see what plays out over the next couple of months. Anyway, I respect everyone's opinion here, just sharing my own as I see the situation currently from the information we have available (and, yes, even the medical professionals across the country who are considered experts in the field of infectious disease do not agree on everything regarding this coronavirus situation.)

I completely agree with you, however, as I am sure you have seen, the quality of the medical studies being introduced to the lay press is poor.  These case reports and studies  are being disseminated at a rapid rate, without being vetted (have you ever seen such a rapid change  in medical recommendation as the hydroxychloroquine debacle?).  My theory is, test all athletes and incoming students.  Then place them in the bubble of college life.  In this bubble, there is relatively little contact with potentially infected patients, and if they do contract the novel virus, the most at risk group to infect would be their peers.  Either way the college age student maintains the lowest mortality and morbidity rate, why keep them at home?  In my opinion, the downside of being home (mentally, socially, financially) outweighs the benefit.

[purple]

  The probable outcome of lawsuits against schools, coaches, administrators,etc has never stopped people from filing suit. The courts are filled with cases of dubious merit. Some so absurd Judges even award sanctions. Nevertheless the defendants have to hire lawyers, spend their precious time working with their lawyers and responding to the demands of the plaintiffs lawyers and appearing in court. This is why we sometimes see "nuisance settlements" paid by insurance companies and defendants to save the costs of litigation. The other problem is if the insurance carriers don't pay for the defendants lawyers. If they write coverage out of the policy, the defendants are "on their own."
The only solution is for the legislature to pass laws essentially making such institutions,and staff, immune from suit. Government immunity is fully in place and is neigh impossible to overcome. Insurance companies will hire lawyers to defend cases where statutory immunity may apply to their insureds.