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[MUC57]

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[joelmama]

to much liability for schools in d3 that dont make millions

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here (and I might be), but why would the schools be liable? Ultimately, it's the players who will have to decide if they're comfortable assuming the added risk (in addition to the risk you assume every time you take the field!) to play or not. And if enough of them don't want to that you can't field a team...

These players aren't on athletic scholarships, so whether or not they are comfortable playing football this year has no financial impact on them and no impact on their ability to go to school.

Excellent point, Ryan. As long as the schools document and demonstrate they put in place the standard of care guidelines recommended and approved by all the governing authorities (NCAA, state and local health administrators, CDC, etc.) and these parameters were followed, there should be no liability. The risk is on the individual to decide what they choose to do knowing these protocols, parameters and the risks as known to date.

You do know that you live in the United States of America where if something goes wrong it must be someone else's fault, so sue em.  That is what they are afraid of.  If a player gets the flu gives it to a parent and that parent/grandparent dies that is the liability.  The university (the claim will read) recklessly allow a contact sport to be played in the face of a pandemic.  Millions to the plaintiff.

[formerd3db]

to much liability for schools in d3 that dont make millions

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here (and I might be), but why would the schools be liable? Ultimately, it's the players who will have to decide if they're comfortable assuming the added risk (in addition to the risk you assume every time you take the field!) to play or not. And if enough of them don't want to that you can't field a team...

These players aren't on athletic scholarships, so whether or not they are comfortable playing football this year has no financial impact on them and no impact on their ability to go to school.

Excellent point, Ryan. As long as the schools document and demonstrate they put in place the standard of care guidelines recommended and approved by all the governing authorities (NCAA, state and local health administrators, CDC, etc.) and these parameters were followed, there should be no liability. The risk is on the individual to decide what they choose to do knowing these protocols, parameters and the risks as known to date.

You do know that you live in the United States of America where if something goes wrong it must be someone else's fault, so sue em.  That is what they are afraid of.  If a player gets the flu gives it to a parent and that parent/grandparent dies that is the liability.  The university (the claim will read) recklessly allow a contact sport to be played in the face of a pandemic.  Millions to the plaintiff.

Of course, I do!🙂 I am in a profession that faces that perhaps more than others do.😬🙂 In addition to the sports issue involved with this potential as you discuss,  you may very well see it happening in the high school sports and classrooms as the Michigan school districts are not going to enforce social distancing or require masks according to the proposed plan announced yesterday. Reasons stated were that it was not feasible regarding available space regarding both classrooms and bus transportation as well as too costly for rhose aspects (unable to provide additional teachers, buses, masks for such.) While I can understand some of those concerns and reasoning, still, it is concerning and scary. And certainly, I do not have the answers  ( nor does anyone I believe, if we are all honest about it). But can we imagine the lawsuits that are going to possibly arise/ be filed by people from that when some player contracts the virus on the bus, and it spreads from there in all areas and someone (whether it is the player, the parents or grandparents  or some othet family member) really gets sick and, God forbid, some serious complications occur? As was mentioned in the article, the football (and other sports) season ( and school sessions again) could very well then be shut down at any time if that occurs. Although I guess we all know that is the possibility in the college ranks depending on what the circumstances may be once the pre-seasons get started in five weeks from now.

We are in that intense "pre game" mode right now (something we all know what that feels like, although with a little different parameter this time) and the opening whistle is soon to occur. Yet, I am feeling that is less exciting this time, if you know what I mean.

[purple]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

[joelmama]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

[jamtod]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

I just want to be the first to observe how hilarious this is.

[jknezek]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

I just want to be the first to observe how hilarious this is.

I was thinking that but didn't want to post. It was good for a chuckle however.

[HScoach]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

I just want to be the first to observe how hilarious this is.

Quite funny.  Which brings me to one of my favorite sayings:

Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story......

[rscl70]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

I just want to be the first to observe how hilarious this is.

Well, we all needed a good laugh.

[hsbsballcoach7]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

You dont know much about how the legal system works here do you.  You do not need facts or even a good case.  Just an aggressive lawyer (getting 40% of the proceeds) to attack and make threats cause the University to spend some money answering this make outlandish claims and demands and threaten to sue.  That is when the Unioversity caves and they and their insurance company settle for some number with a lot of zeros at the end.  That is our system. Pretty messed up.  Fear of lawsuits makes almost everything we do more stupid.

I just want to be the first to observe how hilarious this is.

Following to see the response....😁

[purple]

   You are simply wrong. The system does not operate in that fashion. You have been apparently brainwashed by the insurance company mantra that most, if not all, personal injury lawsuits are akin to extortion. If you recall, part of the insurance companies effort at ,"tort reform" even suggested doing away with a civil plaintiffs right to a jury trial!  Can you appreciate that? Doing away with the one option that levels the playing field for the "little guy." As it is, the insurance company lobby succeeded in essentially eliminating the ability of a working class individual to prosecute their case by putting caps on damages. I trust Judges to cap damages, not insurance company attorneys. Those of you who have had an experience trying to get an insurance company to reasonably settle your claim know this is true; you are not a human being to them,you are a number and the goal is to scare you into taking much less than is fair. It's how adjusters get promoted.
If a potential claimant wanted to bring a Covid case, they would need about $25,000.00 to cheerfully spend on expert testimony, with no guarantee they would prevail. A person of modest means simply can't match the virtually unlimited resources of Universities to defend the claim. I simply cannot see these potential cases as viable. Wait untill you or your family have a claim someday and then see how funny it is . The laughter will be the insurance adjuster telling his colleuges how little he or she got you to settle for.

[jknezek]

Man that was way less funny and more restrained than I had hoped for when I got my popcorn out. Well done purple for being civil and polite and effective while at the same time I feel cheated of my entertainment. Lord the internet makes me a bad human being sometimes... +k purple for good citizenship.

[hsbsballcoach7]

Man that was way less funny and more restrained than I had hoped for when I got my popcorn out. Well done purple for being civil and polite and effective while at the same time I feel cheated of my entertainment. Lord the internet makes me a bad human being sometimes... +k purple for good citizenship.

I was expecting fireworks here too, but appropriate response purple. Well done.

[purple]

 He's not entirely wrong. There are law firms who literally create causes of action with junk science and then canvas advertise for clients. The firm finances the case, signs up thousands of people and have the resources to keep the cases alive for years. Sometimes they get lucky and hit a big jury verdict. Sometimes these verdicts are dramatically reduced on appeal and sometimes the decisions are reversed, but obviously at great expense to the defendant companies. The Wall Street Journal recently bemoaned what they deemed a "junk science" case, and sharply criticized the defendants for settling but businesses have to weigh the bottom line and move on. This is far removed from the typical case.
On a happier note, I went to the Dom and Karen Capers Coaching Building open house this morning. Ran into my team mate Rick Campbell and we spoke a little about where Mount's facilities are now as opposed to when we met Coach Wable in his 12 foot by 12 foot office above Memorial Hall. He gets out to Iowa State to see his son's team often. The building is beautiful, nice spacious offices for the principal coaches,and a large team meeting room. First class. The hallway is lined with giant posters of the National Championship teams. When I saw the sign "Gender Neutral'" by the restrooms, instead of '
"Mens" or "Womens" , Bob Dylan started singing, "The Times They Are a Changing."

[formerd3db]

purple:

Reconnecting with former college teammates is always a fun time. I, too, recently did the same and we talked about similar topics that you did with your teammate RC. Also, the football building sounds great.

I have one question...and this is a serious one, no sarcasm or mis-intent intended. Was the Gender Neutral sign then meaning that both men and women can use the same facility at the same time? If that is so, I can't imagine there would not be some problems at some time. Do you or any of your Mount colleagues here know if some problems hsve occured in that regard, if any, since that change has been made in that building? As you said, it sure is a different era since our time as college players.