FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Capital could go with Pentellos. Although they better check the history books and see which side of the Civil War Rocky fought on. I mean he was active during that era too, I believe   

In all seriousness, I'm surprised Crusaders is the first mascot to fall. In my small brain it is far from the most offensive.

Wheaton let go of its Crusaders about 20 years ago. Alvernia did the same more recently.

In the case of Wheaton (IL), they had many graduates who were missionaries, and feared for those in Muslim countries, where 'Crusaders' is quite understandably a 'no-no' (at least, that is the story I've heard).

[MUC57]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They won't be the only ones. We are working hard on the Lee part of W&L...

How about "Lewinski"?  There IS an association with a president.
Never mind!   

Looks like my post ^^^^^ didn't go over too well, based on the additional negative k's. I was just having fun, I thought. I apologize if I offended your sensitivities. I suspect you'll get over it.
I have friends associated with W&L. I know it to be a fine, well established institute of higher learning. I certainly meant no disrespect to the school. I should have let sleeping dogs lie.
Go Generals! 🏈 🎓 🙄

[USee]

Capital could go with Pentellos. Although they better check the history books and see which side of the Civil War Rocky fought on. I mean he was active during that era too, I believe   

In all seriousness, I'm surprised Crusaders is the first mascot to fall. In my small brain it is far from the most offensive.

Wheaton let go of its Crusaders about 20 years ago. Alvernia did the same more recently.

In the case of Wheaton (IL), they had many graduates who were missionaries, and feared for those in Muslim countries, where 'Crusaders' is quite understandably a 'no-no' (at least, that is the story I've heard).

Either that or they feared all those muslims in the west suburbs of Chicago. Not sure how many Muslims living in other countries knew where Wheaton College was, let alone their mascot name.

[HSCTiger74]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They won't be the only ones. We are working hard on the Lee part of W&L...

I think it's best that I sit out these conversations.  My 1st tag line indicates my position on most things these days....

Could be. I just know W&L can't recruit students or faculty of color right now. It's not happening. Something like 2% of the student body is black despite offering massive scholarships and those students mostly come from outside the U.S. There is a practical reason, and has been for quite a while, to change that association. But big and older donors don't like change, so it's a slow process. We had the same problem in '84 when the coed vote finally came down, but the University was better for it after. Not all change, even if driven by means we may not approve of, is a bad thing.

I have always been curious how much money it would cost to change the name of a university. Not saying that should be a reason to not do it, but it seems like these are usually all or nothing situations where you are going to need to change everything that has W&L on it in a fairly short amount of time.

  I suppose you could do a case study using Rhodes and McDaniel (officially William McDaniel). They have both changed their names within relatively recent memory

[bleedpurple]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They won't be the only ones. We are working hard on the Lee part of W&L...

How about "Lewinski"?  There IS an association with a president.
Never mind!   

Looks like my post ^^^^^ didn't go over too well, based on the additional negative k's. I was just having fun, I thought. I apologize if I offended your sensitivities. I suspect you'll get over it.
I have friends associated with W&L. I know it to be a fine, well established institute of higher learning. I certainly meant no disrespect to the school. I should have let sleeping dogs lie.
Go Generals! 🏈 🎓 🙄

I'm offended that you apologized! 

[jknezek]

As I put in the ODAC Board, I'm the only active W&L fan as far as I know, and I didn't ding you! I believe we've been falsely accused!

[ADL70]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They won't be the only ones. We are working hard on the Lee part of W&L...

I think it's best that I sit out these conversations.  My 1st tag line indicates my position on most things these days....

Could be. I just know W&L can't recruit students or faculty of color right now. It's not happening. Something like 2% of the student body is black despite offering massive scholarships and those students mostly come from outside the U.S. There is a practical reason, and has been for quite a while, to change that association. But big and older donors don't like change, so it's a slow process. We had the same problem in '84 when the coed vote finally came down, but the University was better for it after. Not all change, even if driven by means we may not approve of, is a bad thing.

I have always been curious how much money it would cost to change the name of a university. Not saying that should be a reason to not do it, but it seems like these are usually all or nothing situations where you are going to need to change everything that has W&L on it in a fairly short amount of time.

  I suppose you could do a case study using Rhodes and McDaniel (officially William McDaniel). They have both changed their names within relatively recent memory

When Otterbein became a university they had lots of gear with OC. Conveniently the are the Cardinals, so they jsut decided the C was for Cardinals.

Presumably Rhodes and McDaniel got money to make the switch. Of course there was another Southwestern in Texas and  most folks don't think of Memphis being in the Southwest.

Case Western Reserve was created in 1967 by just jamming the names of the two federating schools together. The first branding attempt, at least for athletics, was "Case Reserve" since WRU was usually shortened to Reserve. CWRU was still pretty much of a mouthful and never caught on like UCLA or UMHB. The tendency for many, especially those with no connection to the school, was just "Case" but that wasn't acceptable to those of us who had at least started at WRU and a rebranding effort 10-15 years ago met with resistance from WRU alumni and a new logo was ridiculed as "a fat man with a surfboard."

"Case Western" likewise grates on most of our ears. The current branding guidelines specify using the full name in the first mention and then either Case Western Reserve or CWRU, but never Case Western or just Case. Despite that I hear student athletes use the latter two names in interviews.

Western Reserve refers to northeast Ohio having been the Connecticut Western Reserve, lands set aside to compensate Connecticut veterans of the Revolution. We WRU alumni are all at least 70 years old. And I expect that before much longer, Case will once again find official acceptance.   

[bluestreak66]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They could adopt the name of the Washington hockey team, and be the Capital Capitals

[MUC57]

Capital is rebranding and they need a new nickname.  Do your thing.  Wrong answers only, please.

They could adopt the name of the Washington hockey team, and be the Capital Capitals

You are obviously a John Carroll graduate. You guys are ...............! But you're a nice guy! 🍺 🎓

[joelmama]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

Your assumption that our legal system treats issues like this fairly is quaint.  Juries love to give Huge awards whether they are legal or not.  So I am not sure how you have come to the conclusion that a jury wouldn't be as generous in this type of case.

[wally_wabash]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

Your assumption that our legal system treats issues like this fairly is quaint.  Juries love to give Huge awards whether they are legal or not.  So I am not sure how you have come to the conclusion that a jury wouldn't be as generous in this type of case.

Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. 

Probably, and again I'm NOT an attorney, but "hey, do you have a particular affinity for awarding plaintiffs large sums of money just because?" is probably something that can get sorted out during voir dire. 

[jamtod]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

Your assumption that our legal system treats issues like this fairly is quaint.  Juries love to give Huge awards whether they are legal or not.  So I am not sure how you have come to the conclusion that a jury wouldn't be as generous in this type of case.

Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. 

Probably, and again I'm NOT an attorney, but "hey, do you have a particular affinity for awarding plaintiffs large sums of money just because?" is probably something that can get sorted out during voir dire.

It's a shame there isn't a lawyer in this group who might have some first-hand experience with this sort of thing.

[jknezek]

   The fear of successful lawsuits against schools and staff is unrealistic.  Anyone can file a lawsuit; establishing liability and then getting a jury to award money would be a nearly impossible task, in my opinion.

Your assumption that our legal system treats issues like this fairly is quaint.  Juries love to give Huge awards whether they are legal or not.  So I am not sure how you have come to the conclusion that a jury wouldn't be as generous in this type of case.

Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. 

Probably, and again I'm NOT an attorney, but "hey, do you have a particular affinity for awarding plaintiffs large sums of money just because?" is probably something that can get sorted out during voir dire.

It's a shame there isn't a lawyer in this group who might have some first-hand experience with this sort of thing.

Yes. I usually describe legal professionals as "quaint" about the law...

[purple]

   My experience is about 500 jury trials, 40 years of practice,  criminal defense, criminal prosecution, civil plaintiffs counsel and civil defendants counsel.
   Ignorant is too kind a word for your description of how our legal system works. Register to vote, perhaps you will be called to jury duty, and then you will see ordinary citizens doing their level best to follow the law, be fair to both sides and come up with correct verdict. Our system is the only system in the world that trusts ordinary citizens, from all walks of life, to do the right thing . It's why The United States is the greatest country in the world and why our system is the most respected in the world.

[jknezek]

   My experience is about 500 jury trials, 40 years of practice,  criminal defense, criminal prosecution, civil plaintiffs counsel and civil defendants counsel.
   Ignorant is too kind a word for your description of how our legal system works. Register to vote, perhaps you will be called to jury duty, and then you will see ordinary citizens doing their level best to follow the law, be fair to both sides and come up with correct verdict. Our system is the only system in the world that trusts ordinary citizens, from all walks of life, to do the right thing . It's why The United States is the greatest country in the world and why our system is the most respected in the world.

D@mn it. +k... again...