FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

JK · November 05, 2005, 11:04:29 PM

Oh, and by the way, in the Mr. Obvious category and off topic a bit:

Terell Owens is the biggest a-hole in football. What a freaking idiot jackass!

Pat Coleman · November 05, 2005, 11:05:04 PM

Quote from: JK on November 05, 2005, 10:54:31 PM
Take these comments for what they are worth: Coach Welsh's wife said to me today that in a conversation that he (Cap AD Welsh) had with OAC Commissioner Tim Gleason, the commish says the same tiebreakers would apply to second place if it meant a playoff bid and that he (Gleason) thinks that the second place OAC team will get in. What does that mean? According to some further explaination it means that while the "Official" OAC records will show a three way tie for second, Capital, since they hold the head to head would be the team the Commish will push for a pool C bid, and again, he feels that with the expanded playoffs the second place OAC team will get in. I'm not sold.

Seems again like the OAC has no idea what the purpose of the tiebreaker is and what the NCAA decides vs. what the conference decides. The OAC has no voice in determining who its best Pool C candidate is.

reality check · November 05, 2005, 11:13:51 PM

Pat

I was actually happy that I was not totally demolished by you in my analysis. I am not saying I think you agree totally with what I posted but I am trying to make sense of it all and appreciate the time and effort that you have to go through to project and so forth. It is intriguing to sort all the scenarios out. I know there are mistakes in my analysis for certain but I'd like to think I am on track with the odds of any pool C 8-2 team, let alone one of ours.

Maybe if we instill the Friday Night Lights coin toss at an undisclosed truck stop on Selection Sunday, one of the OAC teams makes it in as an at-large.

Mr. Ypsi · November 05, 2005, 11:16:07 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2005, 10:53:44 PM
That's not true either. If Albion loses at Olivet next week and Adrian wins, they'll be tied at 5-2 in the league and Adrian won that game head-to-head. Don't know how the other 4-2 teams can impact that, but it's not a lock.

As USUAL, you are correct - I hadn't looked at the schedule, and simply assumed an Albion win over some lower team.

IF Olivet beats Albion at home (I'd rate it at least 40% likely), and Adrian beats Wis-L (VERY likely), there will be a FOUR-way tie for first among Olivet, Albion, Adrian, and the winner of the Alma @ Hope game! I wonder if the authors of the tie-breaking formula ever anticipated THAT!

purpled · November 05, 2005, 11:21:20 PM

JK - with regards to T.O....somewhere in the world there's a village missing an idiot.

I think that JCU and CAP will be hard-pressed to get a bid and only the shadow knows about ONU. The NCAA will more than likely pick a team with 2 losses who played MacDonalds U. for 10 straight weeks.

reality check · November 05, 2005, 11:25:53 PM

Congrats to Rusty Midlam for intercepting his 21st career pass today. He tied the OAC mark for career interceptions today which he now co-holds with CAP's Kyle Law (79-82). He broke the ONU record earlier this season. He has had a great run of it in the defensive backfield for the Polar Bears.

Pat Coleman · November 06, 2005, 01:20:35 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2005, 11:16:07 PM
IF Olivet beats Albion at home (I'd rate it at least 40% likely), and Adrian beats Wis-L (VERY likely), there will be a FOUR-way tie for first among Olivet, Albion, Adrian, and the winner of the Alma @ Hope game! I wonder if the authors of the tie-breaking formula ever anticipated THAT!

I don't know, but I hope they did anticipate it. Last thing you want as a tiebreaker is something lame like a secret ballot of the coaches.

Oh ... hmm ... did I say that?

DanT · November 06, 2005, 05:39:16 AM

I am a 4 year lurker as my son is #95 at ONU. I just wanted to post and acknowledge a wonderful gesture of sportsmanship on behalf of the Wilmington team.

After the conclusion of the game (last home game for seniors) they went through the usual shaking hands then to the end of the field to sing the ONU fight song. After that the players went to the center of the field where Coach Bendo's name had been painted and they all knelt for a prayer. The Wilmington players saw this and ran over and joined our team.

This was after being beaten and being at someones home stadium and giving up time to spend time with their families. My hat is off to them and to their coaching staff.

My son and his team have been through 3 years of a roller coaster ride of adversity and emotional trials. NCAA, coach firing, new coach, loss of a coach etc. etc. I am so proud of the job they have done especially under the situation. What a fine group of young men. DanT

jdean · November 06, 2005, 08:36:16 AM

A couple thoughts if the NCAA should reach the point where they can/will choose an 8-2 OAC team. At season end one team will have won 6 games in a row and being a hot team going into the post-season should be a huge factor to the committee. That same team beat their two tied rivals and did it in weeks 8 and 9, again proving that they are playing their best football at the end of the season. And for what its worth, that same team leads the other 2 in the Quality of Wins index thru week nine. I don't care that one of the three beat Mount, one got killed by Mount or one lost to Ott. Cap gets the edge in my book.

ONUFB77 · November 06, 2005, 09:14:35 AM

I may be wrong but didnt ONU miss the playoffs in '01 at 8-2 with only one loss in the OAC? Which was obviously Mount and the other loss was 14-10 to Steven's Point who I think made the playoffs. This was after 2 years of ONU destroying non-OAC opponents in the playoffs. It was my understanding that the 4 extra spots this year would go to conferences that do not have an automatic bid? I just think that it is unlikely a team with 2 losses in their conference will go to the playoffs. ONU made it with 2 losses in 2000 , but one was to 1-AA Dayton.

JK · November 06, 2005, 10:40:03 AM

RC,

Hate to rain in your parade for Midlam, but Hausler from Cap had three picks yesterday. His second was #22 of his career, which gave him both the Cap and OAC record. The third was, obviously, #23.

Plus he has a year of eligibilty left...

b4uknewit · November 06, 2005, 11:11:55 AM

There is much room for debate on the playoff scenario possibilities. As a front running cannidate for "The Mr. Obvious Award" ) Which I did win months ago, and was presented by Toph {I'm old but don't forget everything} {that Ypsi is trying to strip me of}

I offer this simple reason why who should go if there is still a tie. I don't care who lost to who, as many of you continue posting. But Who beat the team that no other team in the OAC has beat? Why is this not the most significant factor( first and foremost) should all other thing remain the same! Now I am the true Mr. Obvious Choice!

Pat Coleman · November 06, 2005, 11:54:58 AM

Quote from: ONUFB77 on November 06, 2005, 09:14:35 AM
I may be wrong but didnt ONU miss the playoffs in '01 at 8-2 with only one loss in the OAC? Which was obviously Mount and the other loss was 14-10 to Steven's Point who I think made the playoffs. This was after 2 years of ONU destroying non-OAC opponents in the playoffs. It was my understanding that the 4 extra spots this year would go to conferences that do not have an automatic bid? I just think that it is unlikely a team with 2 losses in their conference will go to the playoffs. ONU made it with 2 losses in 2000 , but one was to 1-AA Dayton.

The four extra bids are for conference runners-up. FAQ link on the bottom of my post explains more.

rp · November 06, 2005, 12:11:38 PM

RC,

To be honest, I would love to see Cap go to the playoffs. I don't know if it will happen.. if it does, great!!! If not, that one loss to Otterbein really hurts.. Basically, whatever happens, happens.. But I will say this to you.. to make a statement that ONU and JCU are just as deserving as Capital because they are all going to finish at 8-2 is very confusing comment... I don't care about combined records on other teams, I don't care about statistics, I don't care if Quirk and Phillips have the best QB rating in the history of the OAC, I don't care if Bret Farve throws 5 more picks today... Capital BEAT ONU and JCU in head to head. They are the better team!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me say that again. Capital beat ONU and JCU!!!!!!!!!!! This isn't the Big Ten. ONU/JCU isn't Purdue. It is not as if Capital wasn't on the schedule this year for ither of those teams. Both of those teams had their shot. They lost. Usually, at least the place I come from called reality, when one teams beats the other team, that means they are better. And usually, when team "A" beats team "B", even though they may have the same record at the end of the season, team "A" is going to have the upper hand, because when they "played" on the "field" team "A" won.. I don't understand how one could have a hard time comprehending this equation...

What are you going to tell me next... That if Ohio State and Penn State both finish the season tied at 9-1, Ohio State deserves the Big Ten Championship because the teams they played have a better combined record than the teams Penn State played? Come'on!?!?! How could you even make the statement that they all equally deserve to be and/or have a shot at the playoff?!?! CAPTIAL BEAT BOTH SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Toph, Capital did lose to Otterbein. It stinks. Capital is 8-2 and might not get into the playoffs because of it. And yes, it will be on their record. .. However, I'll take an 8-2 seaon, that loss to Otterbein, and kick'n your butt yesterday on our "record" anytime over a 70-0 score that you have to look at every time you want to re-visit the '05 season.

Also, I didn't want to comment on the QB converstations over Pentello/Phillips because I hadn't seen Phillips play yet.. But after Yesterday, there is no comparison.. I don't know if he just had a bad game.. If that injury hurt him, etc. But from what I watched, Phillips throws the ball up for grabs alot. Some times his guys get it, some times they don't and get picked. He does scramble well, and has nice touch, but overall, the talent, in my opinion, between those two is not comparable. And I don't want to hear about frick'n statistics!!!! I don't care if Phillips has 65 touchdowns and 500 yards a game. I don't care if he is an sixth year senior. Pentello is a better talent, has a stronger arm, has better field presence and his deep passes don't look like punts. Pentello should be first team all conference Period

Toph · November 06, 2005, 12:27:48 PM

rp-
The thoughts in your post clearly are completely unbiased.
What you are arguing (essentially) is that since Cap beat JCU and ONU the loss to Otterbein means less than JCU's and ONU's losses to Capital. Two losses are two losses, you're out.

Don't talk about 70-0 when your guys gave up 28 points in the 4th to the same team. When are you going to understand that LK treats JCU differently ("I will not lose to John Carroll again.") than any other team in the OAC. There was a reason he was running playaction up 63-0.