FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 02:14:24 PM

"Jacobs from Whitewater didn't impress me at all for being the WIAC's Player of the Year. Beaver was the real deal for WWW, but the QB was average."

hscoach,
I just have to atleast take issue with this statement. If the only game that you saw Jacobs play in was the Stagg Bowl than I can see where you are coming from. It was not his best performance. However, if passing for a total of 3667 yards and 35 TD's giving him an average of 244.5 yards per game (NCAA web site) qualifies as, "average".......we will take it!!!

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 02:16:51 PM

Quote from: Goal Line Stand on July 19, 2006, 02:14:24 PM
"Jacobs from Whitewater didn't impress me at all for being the WIAC's Player of the Year. Beaver was the real deal for WWW, but the QB was average."

hscoach,
I just have to atleast take issue with this statement. If the only game that you saw Jacobs play in was the Stagg Bowl than I can see where you are coming from. It was not his best performance. However, if passing for a total of 3667 yards and 35 TD's giving him an average of 244.5 yards per game (NCAA web site) qualifies as, "average".......we will take it!!! (This is just in reference to the "average" thing. I am not trying to argue for Pre-season AA honors.)

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 02:50:12 PM

OK, you can tell I am new at this.

3667 is his total yards, (3556 passing and 111 rushing,) not passing yards I posted above. Sorry

HScoach · July 19, 2006, 03:25:10 PM

Goal Line Stand,

I guess I should have qualified my use of "average" in reference to Jacobs. I didn't mean that he was an average QB by overall D3 standards of all 230+ schools. What I meant was that I would classify him as an average QB for a playoff team or what we typcially see in the OAC every week. But then again I'd classify Jorris the same way, average QB for a good team.

The difference between Jacobs and Jorris was that Jacobs was the WIAC's Player of the Year. Jorris wasn't even Honorable Mention in the OAC. There lies my disappointment with Jacobs. I expected a lot more out of the POY from the toughest conference in D3 instead of getting out-played by a QB that wasn't considered by the OAC coaches to be in the top half of the conference.

Jacobs didn't strike me as a difference maker, simply solid (average). Beaver was a difference maker.

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 05:01:40 PM

Quote from: hscoach on July 19, 2006, 03:25:10 PM
Goal Line Stand,

I guess I should have qualified my use of "average" in reference to Jacobs. I didn't mean that he was an average QB by overall D3 standards of all 230+ schools. What I meant was that I would classify him as an average QB for a playoff team or what we typcially see in the OAC every week. But then again I'd classify Jorris the same way, average QB for a good team.

The difference between Jacobs and Jorris was that Jacobs was the WIAC's Player of the Year. Jorris wasn't even Honorable Mention in the OAC. There lies my disappointment with Jacobs. I expected a lot more out of the POY from the toughest conference in D3 instead of getting out-played by a QB that wasn't considered by the OAC coaches to be in the top half of the conference.

Jacobs didn't strike me as a difference maker, simply solid (average). Beaver was a difference maker.

I understand what you are saying but let's look at WIAC Player of the Year. In the WIAC, his numbers finished way ahead of the the pack. He had 1455 more yards passing, 1422 more in total offensive yards and threw for 18 more TD's than the next WIAC QB. Comparing subjective conference honors is, "apples and oranges," at its best. If you are just making a case that Beaver should have recieved the nod instead, well, I bet it was a virtual coin toss for the most part for the powers-that-be and you would have a case there.

As for getting, "out played," by the other QB....Jorris did have an impressive pass completion rate for the day but Jacobs threw for 63 more yards, and they both had 2 TD's and one interception. Pretty close stats if you ask me but then, the winning QB always looks better, I guess.......LOL

The best part about the 2005 Warhawks was that there never was just one difference maker. There were alot of them on both sides of the ball!

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 05:50:38 PM

P.S, hscoach, I do absolutely agree with you regarding his play in this game. It really was not his best performance and not indicative of his season........maybe it was those TV camera's.

reality check · July 19, 2006, 05:55:01 PM

Jorris looked better head to head to anyone that watched the Stagg Bowl. His two TD's came in the 4th quarter when the Warhawks were down 28-7. His best quarter in the game was the 4th where the Warhwaks were scrambling to catch up or at least make it a contest.

Jacobs finished up with 1400 more passing yards and 18 more TD's because he had 5 more games with the playoffs. The stats you referenced are based on his playoff totals. In the regular season he completed 144/261 for 2403 yards/23 TD'/11 INT's. Compare those to the second best QB on the list and his stats come back to earth. He was better on paper, but barely. In fact, he looks better because the rest of the WIAC QB's were pretty pedestrian by comparison to other conferences. The OAC for example had five QB's with 2000+ yards/20+ TD's.

He's a solid QB that gets lots of tosses and has a great running back to open things up. Beaver broke NCAA records last year. He should have gotten the nod for WIAC POY. It wasn't a coin toss to me. I have no problem with making Jacobs a first-team WIAC QB. But Beaver was a more valuable player.

reality check · July 19, 2006, 06:01:39 PM

And now for some OAC talk...

The only QB lost to graduation last season in the OAC was JCU's Steve Phillips. I wonder if the OAC has ever returned nine starting QB's. There are going to be some talented signal callers in the OAC this year besides Jorris and Pentello.

OTT's Paul Stelzer comes back after throwing for 2600 yards and 23 TD's as a sophomore. There might be another worthy QB in the Columbus area this year.

Only two starting OAC RB's are gone from last year too in JCU's Brandon Oing and Etta's Steve Wagner. The offense should be clicking for most of the OAC in week one.

Goal Line Stand · July 19, 2006, 06:13:08 PM

Quote from: reality check on July 19, 2006, 05:55:01 PM
Jorris looked better head to head to anyone that watched the Stagg Bowl. His two TD's came in the 4th quarter when the Warhawks were down 28-7. His best quarter in the game was the 4th where the Warhwaks were scrambling to catch up or at least make it a contest.

Jacobs finished up with 1400 more passing yards and 18 more TD's because he had 5 more games with the playoffs. The stats you referenced are based on his playoff totals. In the regular season he completed 144/261 for 2403 yards/23 TD'/11 INT's. Compare those to the second best QB on the list and his stats come back to earth. He was better on paper, but barely. In fact, he looks better because the rest of the WIAC QB's were pretty pedestrian by comparison to other conferences. The OAC for example had five QB's with 2000+ yards/20+ TD's.

He's a solid QB that gets lots of tosses and has a great running back to open things up. Beaver broke NCAA records last year. He should have gotten the nod for WIAC POY. It wasn't a coin toss to me. I have no problem with making Jacobs a first-team WIAC QB. But Beaver was a more valuable player.

Thanks for the reality check, Reality Check. I knew his numbers included 5 extra games. I think your analysis is right on but I had to promote my QB.........

I would just add that it is a 2-way street....the passing game opens up the running game as well......

Ric · July 19, 2006, 06:27:56 PM

How refreshing it is to see civilized discussion between fans of two different conferences. Am I in post patterns? Stars all the way around!

reality check · July 20, 2006, 01:22:31 AM

Being bored tonight I discovered that ONU alum Shane Franzer has been tossing the football for the Port Huron Pirates of the Great Lakes Indoor Football League. He currently leads the league in most passing categories and has been selected to the league's All-Star game. He also leads the team into the first ever Great Lakes Bowl this weekend as his 10-0 Pirates face off against the Rochester Raiders.

A quick check of the other rosters uncovered CAP's Matt Freisner and Mount's Monty Harris playing for the GLIFL's Marion Mayhem as well. The other teams have former players from St. John fisher, Hobart, Brockport State, etc.

raiderguy · July 20, 2006, 12:17:35 PM

hscoach,

You got that right. Having a beer in the same bar is OK though. I missed that position in my kama sutra manual.

PC, what page is that juxtaposition on?

HS
What don't you like about Jorris? It just seems he did all the right things to deserve a higher consideration than 4th and nothing last year in the OAC when he beat both the QB's listed and Pentello twice. I know he missed some receivers over the year but who doesn't.

As far as the ONU game the weather was pretty crappy and he wasn't the only reason they lost.
1st and goal at half time and they didn't score. All other things being the same a tie game at the end of regulation and I give the edge to Mount in OT because they had the momentum after scoring at the end of the fourth quarter. Just my thoughts.

Maybe Ric can shed some light too.

theotherguy · July 20, 2006, 12:50:45 PM

It is interesting to me that there has been no considerations or talk anywhere about Pierre Garcon, Nate Kmic, or any players on Mount Unions defense, ie Fehl, Kostelnik, or Stickley.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad · July 20, 2006, 01:29:20 PM

Preseason rankings are guesses at best. The Raiders aren't about individual accolades anyway. Win the big one and the post season recognition will follow.

HScoach · July 20, 2006, 03:34:54 PM

Raiderguy: I guess I'm coming across too negative on Jorris. I don't mean to say that I don't think he's a good QB. I'm just not ready to crown him a stud yet. His play in 2005 was too inconsistent to be considered an upper echelon QB, especially when talking about All-American awards. Now if he plays in 2006 like he did in the 2005 playoffs, then it's a no brainer. If '06 is up and down like '05 was, then he's a very good QB by which his inconsistency kept him from being a true stud.

Personally I think Jorris could be primed for a huge season with Garcon and Boehm at WR and Kmic in the backfield. If Mike progresses well between his 1st and 2nd seasons as most QB's do, then the MUC offense is going to be absolutely scary.