FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

MountRaider · October 02, 2006, 03:37:22 PM

Quote from: hscoach on October 02, 2006, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: reality check on October 01, 2006, 08:27:09 PM
.....Trusnik vs. the LT......

One advantage ONU has going into this week is that MUC's starting LT and RG are done for the season. Good thing MUC has great depth, but the 2nd string guy is usually 2nd string for a reason.

Who is the new LT and RG since the starters went down?

reality check · October 02, 2006, 05:02:05 PM

It's interesting the way some CAP fans want to rip Vrable for being mentioned in the same class as Rocky while others say Saturday's game featured two great QB's.

Based on the reactions of CAP fans, I'm not sure what to think of Vrable. He might be a great OAC QB or he might be a bum. Did the CAP fans see a two different games?

Quote from: cufan on October 02, 2006, 03:31:37 PM
Nickel or no nickel Etta only ave about 10 yards a catch. Cap had 3 sacks and 3 picks, not bad defensive numbers.

Do you mean 10 yards a catch on the season or for the game? They passed for 10.6 a catch in the game but CAP's giving up 8.9 per catch on the season so it seems like they did alright in comparison to CAP's other competition. Etta is averaging 14.6 per catch on the season though and just looking at the numbers this leads me to believe Etta is a better passing team than the others CAP has played and CAP is the best pass defense Etta has faced. Sounds fair to me.

raiderguy · October 02, 2006, 05:07:34 PM

Based on the participation report Averett VS Da Berg

Creachbaum for Henninger and Reash for Dartt.

I would say there isn't a tremendous drop off since Creachbaum is a senior and a three year letterman. I believe he has started in the past. According to the roster Reash is also a senior and a previous letter winner.

I am sure Ric is much better versed in the question but that's my $.02 worth.

I did notice they also played 70 guys Sunday. I think LK commented about that in his game comments.

crusader26 · October 02, 2006, 08:07:39 PM

Quote from: reality check on October 02, 2006, 05:02:05 PM
It's interesting the way some CAP fans want to rip Vrable for being mentioned in the same class as Rocky while others say Saturday's game featured two great QB's.

Based on the reactions of CAP fans, I'm not sure what to think of Vrable. He might be a great OAC QB or he might be a bum.

Vrable is solid, but he is not great, nor is he a bum. I don't think anyone on here stated he was horrible, it has just been stated he is not comparable to Jorris or Pentello. 'Etta will not throw down field, and will try to create mis-matches with their WRs. My comparison is, to how MUC & their receiving corps could possibly dominate Cap's defense. I do not think I can compare stats on what team is better at what when Cap has played Witt (2-2), Berg (0-4), Wilma (1-3), and 'Etta (2-2) & outscoring them 217-24, with 'Etta probably being the best of the bunch. I may be totally wrong based upon the level of competition rising this month. I am going to assume Cap will rise to the higher level of competition they will play. Saturday may be a test with Cap heading to JC (based on past history, they have not played JC very well), then they will have their hands full when they travel to ONU for their Homecoming.

section13raiderfan · October 02, 2006, 08:31:41 PM

All this talk of D3 teams playing (or not playing) larger schools has me wondering. Could the reason simply be money? What kind of contract offer would it take to interest a larger school in a game? Even if Mount Union were to give the opponent 100% of the opposing schools presale tickets and a larger than usual share of the gate, would that be enough? If I had the bigger stadium, then I would insist that Mount Union come to us, so as to max out the profit potential. Would Mount be willing to give up their home field advantage? There would be many less Raider fans in the seats if the location were too far away. Maybe Ric can tell us what a regular contract split looks like for a typical D3 game. Then we can have a little fun making up our own contract terms hypothetically. What would you guys offer a D2 school for a game?

jdean · October 02, 2006, 09:07:02 PM

Quote from: section13raiderfan on October 02, 2006, 08:31:41 PM
What would you guys offer a D2 school for a game?

I'd offer a list of names, addresses and phone numbers for D2 schools.
I'd rather see Mount play a 9 game schedule than go the route you suggest.

seventiesraider · October 02, 2006, 10:57:26 PM

As long as there are still respectible schools out there in D3 that will play us, what sane reason would Mount have to play a D2 school. With eight rings on the shelf I think they have very little to prove. Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical?

reality check · October 02, 2006, 11:36:36 PM

Seventies

They've already proven they can beat anyone in Division III. I would have to say the only thing left FOR them to prove would be that they can beat a Division II or I-AA team. I don't know if they should concern themselves with such things but I think given your question, I would affirm that beating II/I-AA would be the only thing left for the Raiders to prove they can do.

I covered the University of New Haven as their radio play by play man in 2003 and I think that of the nine teams they played against in Division II competition the top tier OAC could have beaten 6-7 of them. I also think half of the OAC could have beaten UNH that year. Of course there's no way to prove or disprove any of this. I just think given the talent I saw on both sidelines, the Raiders, Crusaders, Polar Bears, etc. could hold their own.

Pat Coleman · October 03, 2006, 01:47:15 AM

kirasdad, you can start a new one the same way you started the old one -- in a separate topic.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad · October 03, 2006, 07:23:55 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2006, 01:47:15 AM
kirasdad, you can start a new one the same way you started the old one -- in a separate topic.

Does this one expire in this topic? How do I start a new one in this topic?

2minuteO · October 03, 2006, 08:22:50 AM

I would like to get back to the Capital Defense. The Capital defense has at least since Bickle has been there a bend, but not break D... The talent the defense has had has been incredible.. I would also like to mention that against Etta they were not only missing Kyle Hausler, but their middle linebacker as well. Losing the middle linebacker was a big blow since Cap graduated Joel Sickmier from last season.. A few of the mount fans may rem Joel or at least Kmic will... Again though the game is played on the field and not on paper... Etta Qb may have looked good, but they only scored 7... so stats may look good, but the game is won on the field...

Kira & Jaxon's Dad · October 03, 2006, 09:11:46 AM

Quote from: 2minuteO on October 03, 2006, 08:22:50 AM
Losing the middle linebacker was a big blow since Cap graduated Joel Sickmier from last season.. A few of the mount fans may rem Joel or at least Kmic will...

Kmic might remember Sickmier, on the way to 38 rushes for 177 yards.

Just Kidding ya, Sickmeir did record 13 tackles in the Playoff game last year (6 solo 7 assists).

Bill McCabe · October 03, 2006, 09:15:07 AM

I was looking at the standings and was wondering if 3 teams can get into the playoffs from your conference? It looks like you have 3 or 4 deserving teams.

raiderpa · October 03, 2006, 09:35:37 AM

I am sure that Pat would be able to give us the exact reason(s) that three teams may or may not reach the playoffs...
No matter how good people look at this point in the season, this question may be a bit premature..
But it will probably spur some great debate...

As for Mount playing above its division, I think that the point is that Mount Union is a DIII school and that is where they wish to stay. Playing someone larger for the ego of the fans is not what DIII sports is about. Humble is LK's middle name...
Dressing 200 players because they want to be part of the program is what DIII is about...playing 70 kids in one game because they have stuck out practice and deserve some reward is what it is about..
Playing two JV games in two days so more players get on the field is done, IMO, so more can play..Kudos to LK.

Graduating is what DIII is about...check out MUC's stats on that...I think its pretty good...a couple years ago LK was quoted that only a couple players that have stayed in the program for four years had not graduated, and he was very irate about the fact that those one or two were out there without a degree....

rscl70 · October 03, 2006, 09:42:55 AM

Quote from: section13raiderfan on October 02, 2006, 08:31:41 PM
All this talk of D3 teams playing (or not playing) larger schools has me wondering. Could the reason simply be money? What kind of contract offer would it take to interest a larger school in a game? Even if Mount Union were to give the opponent 100% of the opposing schools presale tickets and a larger than usual share of the gate, would that be enough? If I had the bigger stadium, then I would insist that Mount Union come to us, so as to max out the profit potential. Would Mount be willing to give up their home field advantage? There would be many less Raider fans in the seats if the location were too far away. Maybe Ric can tell us what a regular contract split looks like for a typical D3 game. Then we can have a little fun making up our own contract terms hypothetically. What would you guys offer a D2 school for a game?

Mount Union Stadium seats 5,450, DII Ashland seats 6,000. I doubt gate receipts would be much of an issue. While such a match up might be interesting for the fans, I don't see what either program (especially Ashland) would have to gain from it.