FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[reality check]

Who says more teams haven't considered him?  I've heard over the years that he has been asked about and has decided to stay at Mount Union.  Do one of the MUC gurus want to expand on that? 

I find it hard to believe LK hasn't been considered for a dozen or more jobs at higher levels.  You probably don't hear the names of a majority of guys considdered in the grand scheme of things. 

[formerd3db]

Warren:

On the 75th anniversary of the '21 game Centre challenged Harvard to play again. Harvard declined.

Of course. Harvard being Harvard, would you have expected them to do otherwise? The Cantabs are above that sort of thing ... unfortunately.

Warren:

On the 75th anniversary of the '21 game Centre challenged Harvard to play again. Harvard declined.

Of course. Harvard being Harvard, would you have expected them to do otherwise? The Cantabs are above that sort of thing ... unfortunately.

Frank, Warren:

That would be great to see, particularly if it were a year in which Centre had a better team.  IMO, what has Harvard got to lose?  Nothing - their (i.e. Ivy Group) self-inflicted ban on post-season football play (which is a hypocritcal policy in view of all their other sports being allowed to do so - but that is another story/discussion/debate so I won't go there at present ) doesn't come into play; and besides, they (or at least some of the Ivies) play what some people consider as other "patsies" i.e. the Pioneer League teams on occasion as I mentioned, so they have nothing to lose (especially since they would win the game, most probable).  But it would be a grand experience for DIII Centre.  However, you are right, unfortunately the big "H" wouldn't do it.  Sad in one sense - take a chance - do something different!

BTW, hope you guys had (are having) enjoyable holiday weekends. 

[HScoach]

The most public "turn down" that LK made was Kent State.  And supposedly Princeton.   After that it's all specualtion by the general public, but it's safe to assume that he's been approached privately other times too and quietly turned them down before it gets too far.

As a Buckeye, if he were to ever leave Mount I would like to see him as offensive coordinator at OSU.  But obviously that doesn't work these days with Tressel calling the plays and usual conservative nature.  But after watching LK play "Tressell-ball" against Wheaton, Capital and SJ Fisher, maybe LK was really auditioning for OSU?

My opinion is if Kehres was interested in trying the bigtime, he would have done so after the 1997 season as his entire team graduated (including Vince) and his daughter was a senior in HS too.  That year would have made the most sense is it had the cleanest breaks in his personal affairs (kids) and winning back-to-back titles with Borchert proved the 93 title wasn't a fluke.  Now with Monty gone and a muchmore supportive college president in place, I expect him to coach at least another 2-3 years, maybe more.  When he does quit though, I don't expect a year long farwell tour like Berezowitz did at WWW.  I expect him to just quit one day and catch everyone by complete surprise.

[HScoach]

For those interested in an real coaching debate, check out the WIAC page

[frank uible]

Of course, in my view, the outcome of a Mt. Union-Harvard game would not be a foregone conclusion in current circumstances - and that of a Mount Union-Dartmouth one might very well be (in favor of Mount Union).

[formerd3db]

As I recall, some of the Mount guys here have related info about LK's job "offers" in the past, including at Kent State.  Pehaps they'll share with us some of those aspects - would be interesting.  However, as they have said, it is highly unlikely he'll leave Mount for a variety of reasons.

[formerd3db]

hs coach:
You posted about LK right before I put the last one out!  Anyway, thanks for the info update.

[formerd3db]

Of course, in my view, the outcome of a Mt. Union-Harvard game would not be a foregone conclusion in current circumstances - and that of a Mount Union-Dartmouth one might very well be (in favor of Mount Union).

Or perhaps even a Mount Union/Columbia match-up!

[enterprise]

Stoonk,you are back,did Pat put you on posting probation?Now you can stop using my identity!!!Hey,with the cost of living in Alliance,Ohio,a butler for LK is not out of the ques..I heard it's some mullet wearing townie,there were a few of them working on campus back in the day!!!James Brown,RIP!!!

[Bill McCabe]

Mount Union would beat Columbia.

[Superfoot Wallace]

Harvard has about as much to gain playing MUC as it would challenging say, a Stanford or USC.  While theres always the oneupmanship on the pitch there should be an incentive in posterity - academically speaking, that just isnt present in either of these scenarios.

Now a chal;lenge thrown out to Notre Dame, who is academically on par presently, but for many years had a hard time getting solid academic accrditation, now there would be a real barn burner.  Should anybody even remotely related to them through the big east be invited to the dinner table by the Crimson a major paradigm shift should have been mitnessed.

Think about the historical context of a Centre and the paths taken by the academic instituions of the ACCs and SECs (hint Vandy - Wake.)  MUC should think about playing a GVSU or such if and only if, a team theyre likely to face in at least a Region final is expecting to play a midpack  Atlantic 10 in the regular season.

With the scheduling swings out west, people playing Azusa Pacific and such, a San Diego game would be interesting.  Though moreso were Harbaugh still coaching.  Right now the rock paper scissor for interdivision is the MIAA Pioneer and NCAC.

MUC would be better served challenging a Valpo.  Sorry, but unless a Kenyon or Denison (the pre-UAA history of Chicago maybe?)warms up mighty well in the gridiron department just dont see any diii getting to play an Ivy.  Have wondered whehyter the scheduling agreements were not in some way intended to create something as snobbish yet less hostile to outside competition as the NEscac.

signed,
Chuck Bridges and Todd Martin

[formerd3db]

Harvard has about as much to gain playing MUC as it would challenging say, a Stanford or USC.  While theres always the oneupmanship on the pitch there should be an incentive in posterity - academically speaking, that just isnt present in either of these scenarios.

Now a chal;lenge thrown out to Notre Dame, who is academically on par presently, but for many years had a hard time getting solid academic accrditation, now there would be a real barn burner.  Should anybody even remotely related to them through the big east be invited to the dinner table by the Crimson a major paradigm shift should have been mitnessed.

Think about the historical context of a Centre and the paths taken by the academic instituions of the ACCs and SECs (hint Vandy - Wake.)  MUC should think about playing a GVSU or such if and only if, a team theyre likely to face in at least a Region final is expecting to play a midpack  Atlantic 10 in the regular season.

With the scheduling swings out west, people playing Azusa Pacific and such, a San Diego game would be interesting.  Though moreso were Harbaugh still coaching.  Right now the rock paper scissor for interdivision is the MIAA Pioneer and NCAC.

MUC would be better served challenging a Valpo.  Sorry, but unless a Kenyon or Denison (the pre-UAA history of Chicago maybe?)warms up mighty well in the gridiron department just dont see any diii getting to play an Ivy.  Have wondered whehyter the scheduling agreements were not in some way intended to create something as snobbish yet less hostile to outside competition as the NEscac.

signed,
Chuck Bridges and Todd Martin

MacLeod:
You make some interesting and valid points.  However, I would question the Stanford example.  Why not Harvard playing them?  Stanford has always touted itself as a high tier academic institution (which it is) and compares itself to the Ivies, although not on the football field.  Yet, if teams like Army, Navy, and Air Force as well as the Vandys, Wakes, Dukes, and Northwesterns continue to schedule similar teams such as Ivies, as well as bigger powers, then a Harvard/Stanford match is not so out of context (especially if it were in a year in which Harvard had a great team, like their 10-0 season of a couple of years ago).  The other examples are, as have been mentioned, MAC schools.  Boston College played Central Michigan this year at the latter's place opening weekend in Sept., and barely won (the attendance suprisingly was not as high as was expected - just over 20,000).

I would agree with you about your other examples (MUC, DIII's vs. Pioneers, etc.).  Also, I recall not too long ago that Bucknell played a DIII school (can't remember the opponent right off hand).  You are right though in that an Ivy is probably not going to schedule a DIII team, although I and others still say it would be a neat thing to see once in awhile, particularly when the DIII team would be a higher tier team such as MUC.  But that "ain't going to happen".

Ira T. Carrithers

[frank uible]

In several recent years Albion has scheduled and has traded wins approximately evenly with Butler, a Pioneer League college.

[frank uible]

former: A check with Bucknell's archives reveals that Bucknell has played no DIII college in years 2000-2006.

[Superfoot Wallace]

Guess what I was getting at with the Stanford Harvard scenario was more one where Harvard would view such an engagement as a lose lose proposition.

With regards to other schools, where Harvard would most likely dominate on the grid, Harvard obliges them with recognition.  Almost like saying, since your institution is so esteemed, our playing you is a recognition of this fact.

Dont think Stanford has any recognition issues, so were Harvard to lose, the likely outcome, they come away without an air of superiority.

Leaving a contest without having won on the field or AB recognitions, Harvard would experience nothing different than the annual with Yale.

For the competitive reasons in both the classroom and on the grid, feel the UAA would be the most likely candidate for a game, whether preseason scrimmage or exhibition.

This whole analysis falls by the way if A harvard were to think they could beat Wake, Vandy, STanford, USC etc.

Am all for interdivision matchups, but when dealing with leagues hostile to scheduling outsiders, the incentive has to be something more than athletic.

signed,
CalPoly and MIT